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Burner02 Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 12-21-2010
Posts: 12,876
President Biden and everyone around him are saying that Build Back Better is paid for and will not cost us tax payers one cent.

If that in fact is the case, why do we need to raise the debt ceiling 3.5 trillion?

It appears that someone is lying.

Gonz
BuckyB93 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 07-16-2004
Posts: 14,165
Wait... so the "Infrastructure Bill" is not free?

Say it ain't so!
RayR Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,881
It's the cornerstones of progressive economics.

Debt doesn't matter, because "We Owe It to Ourselves"

Tax the rich and everything will magically be free.
Smooth light Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 06-26-2020
Posts: 3,598
More like we owe it to our kids and grandkids, they will pay it for us.
tonygraz Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
Posts: 20,230
Burner02 wrote:
President Biden and everyone around him are saying that Build Back Better is paid for and will not cost us tax payers one cent.

If that in fact is the case, why do we need to raise the debt ceiling 3.5 trillion?

It appears that someone is lying.

Gonz



It's McCon that lying. They raised the debt limit 3 times under the trump administration, now McCon says no. If the debt limit is not raised everything financial will go to hell. Electing any republican is a self destructive act.
MACS Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,747
tonygraz wrote:
It's McCon that lying. They raised the debt limit 3 times under the trump administration, now McCon says no. If the debt limit is not raised everything financial will go to hell. Electing any republican is a self destructive act.


LMMFAO!! Yeah... elect socialists instead. Brilliant.
Whistlebritches Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 04-23-2006
Posts: 22,128
MACS wrote:
LMMFAO!! Yeah... elect socialists instead. Brilliant.



He's a moron.......what more can be said
Smooth light Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-26-2020
Posts: 3,598
Can I have some mor-on my plate said the mutants.👽👽👽
RayR Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,881
Tony says WHATABOUTTRUMP.

Tony says keep that debt going higher and higher, nothing bad can happen, "We Owe It to Ourselves"

Keep printing that funny money and we'll all get richer, Dear leader Biden says we need it to "invest" in the future or we'll fall behind the rest of the world, don't mind all that price inflation, it's just transitory....right Tony?

Tony is a parrot 🦜 for the lizard people. 🦎

Give him a peanut.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,119
RayR wrote:

Tony is a parrot 🦜 for the lizard people. 🦎

Give him a peanut.


I’m not giving Tony a peanut. He can wait for the government to give him a peanut.
Abrignac Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,263
HockeyDad wrote:
I’m not giving Tony a peanut. He can wait for the government to give him a peanut.


So Polly no longer eats crackers?
RayR Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,881
The latest in Keynesian Duhmacratic schemes to pay for unlimited government spending, the Trillion-Dollar Platinum Coin.
Janet Yellen says it's just a gimmick, she wants a simpler solution, just eliminate the debt ceiling altogether and it's full speed ahead. Nobody is going to pay off that silly sovereign debt anyway. When it comes to sovereign default, Go big or go home!

It’s A ‘Gimmick’: Yellen Opposes Minting Trillion-Dollar Coin To Save The United States From Historic Debt Default

Jonathan PoncianoForbes Staff
Investing

Updated Oct 5, 2021, 04:39pm EDT


Quote:
TOPLINE Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Tuesday dismissed the contentious idea of tapping a legal loophole to mint a $1 trillion coin as a last-ditch effort to help the United States pay its debt, saying the concept shouldn’t be considered seriously despite its popularity on social media and the growing risk that the United States could plunge into a recession if lawmakers fail to raise or suspend the debt ceiling in the next two weeks.

KEY FACTS
In a televised appearance on CNBC, Yellen said she’s opposed to minting a coin to help pay off some of the nation’s debt—a seemingly absurd idea that’s nonetheless garnered backing from a few notable economists, including Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman.

Minting the coin, Yellen said, would be equivalent to asking the Federal Reserve to print money to cover deficits that Congress is unwilling to cover by issuing debt—thereby compromising the independence of the Fed, which is charged with overseeing monetary policy.

“It’s a gimmick,” the former Federal Reserve chair added, saying the idea also conflated the responsibilities of the central bank and the Treasury.

Yellen’s comments follow a wave of renewed interest in the concept of a trillion-dollar coin, with a few lawmakers, including Reps. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) even jumping on the #MintTheCoin Twitter trend by advocating for it on social media.

Despite turning down the idea, Yellen doubled down on the critical nature of ensuring that the United States acts to raise or suspend the debt ceiling, saying she “fully expect[s]” the nation would plunge into a recession if it doesn’t do so by October 18, when she believes the Treasury will exhaust its ability to make payments on financial obligations.

In a briefing Monday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki also struck down the idea of minting a coin, saying it wasn’t a “viable” option “either because [it] wouldn’t be accepted by the Federal Reserve, by the guidance of our Treasury Secretary, or just by legal restrictions.”

More...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2021/10/05/its-a-gimmick-yellen-opposes-minting-1-trillion-coin-to-save-the-united-states-from-historic-debt-default/
Stogie1020 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
Posts: 5,308
I am still reconciling that (a) we need to raise the debt ceiling because we cant pay our current loans back and (b) D's want to pass a 3.5 Trillion dollar spending package...



Stogie1020 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
Posts: 5,308
tonygraz wrote:
It's McCon that lying. They raised the debt limit 3 times under the trump administration, now McCon says no. If the debt limit is not raised everything financial will go to hell. Electing any republican is a self destructive act.


Tony, just wanted to make sure you realized that your fearless leader, as a Senator, also voted against raising the debt ceiling, for exzactly the same reason McConnel is voting against it...


Votes from then-Senator Biden in 2004 as well as 2006, according to his remarks as recorded in the Congressional Record, make clear he did so for reasons that sound suspiciously like what Republicans are advocating now. Namely, that US spending has gotten out of control.

Here’s Senator Biden, in 2004, according to the Congressional Record:

“I was not able to participate in today’s debate and vote on the extension of the national debt limit. I was attending the funeral of a great civil rights leader in Delaware, Jane E. Mitchell. Had I been here to vote, Mr. President, I would have cast a symbolic vote against an extension of the debt limit. Today’s fiscal mess, the transformation of historic surpluses into record deficits, is not an accident. It is the inevitable outcome of policies that consistently ignored evidence and experience.”

In 2006, Biden also joined Democrats voting against a move by the George W. Bush administration to lift the nation’s debt limit to almost $9 trillion (fun fact: it’s more than $28 trillion today). Per a New York Times article from that episode, the nation’s paper of record noted that Democrats were chagrined that Bush and congressional Republicans were continuing to pile up historic levels of debt.

From Biden’s 2006 remarks on the debt ceiling vote:

“My vote against the debt limit increase cannot change the fact that we have incurred this debt already, and will no doubt incur more. It is a statement that I refuse to be associated with the policies that brought us to this point.”


Cocaine Mitch even sent POTUS a letter reminding him of this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA3RPsgWUAADKz5?format=jpg&name=medium
Smooth light Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 06-26-2020
Posts: 3,598
We are being nice to the 🦜's, pretty soon they will get addicted to the
'crack' crackers, we don't need to waste money on rehab 💵. We love them but not that much.
HockeyDad Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,119
Stogie1020 wrote:
I am still reconciling that (a) we need to raise the debt ceiling because we cant pay our current loans back and (b) D's want to pass a 3.5 Trillion dollar spending package...




That spending package is zero cost.
Stogie1020 Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
Posts: 5,308
HockeyDad wrote:
That spending package is zero cost.

Ah, nevermind! Uproar has been cancelled. I need to cancel that order of 20 pitchforks and 20 torches, though....
HockeyDad Offline
#18 Posted:
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