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You're talking to someone here who has spent far more time than he would like to admit pondering the concept of an eternal soul.

Daunting experience... exhausting really. I doubt most of those pandering for an immortal soul have actually wrapped their head around the implications...

First off, it blatantly violates the second law of thermodynamics. Second... forever? Like forever ever?

Heaven, hell, they both sound awful... I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want that. I get tired just thinking about it.

After the last stars die... and there's nothing left... all that remains, is the energy from all the past dead souls.

Ya, ok... then what?

if they're each wrong then followers of Loo Rockwell win.
Both of them.

Well……you can’t win if you don’t play!

Let's play two, Ernie Banks.

Always the intellectual……

Nah, if I wanted to go that route I would tell you that since the laws of physics are immutable then I think the energy that created the universe must be concious. If that energy was random they the universe would not be sustainable. I would also tell you that before the persecution of the Catholic church men of science were men of God. Also, to be an intelectual I have to be an Agnostic or Atheist yes?

I thought the Catholic Church exiled Galileo because he was a man of science……

He was exiled to home arrest because he claimed the Earth orbited the sun... the church didn'tike that, because it made a better story if the church was at the center of the uni-verse (one verse or single word).

Read the article... same tired trend...

1. Look, there's the evil enemy.

2. Here's why they're evil.

3. Here's how they want to get you (or turn you evil).

4. Here's the solution... pray and go to church and don't learn anything worldly because it's evil.

Same tired game plan, same tired playbook.

Christianity somehow became the top alpha entity, not just any God mind you, specifically the Abrahamic god. Somehow 2000 years ago, they figured it all out despite believing the world was flat, basic elements were earth, wind, fire and water...
Yeah, they had it all figured out.

What did they figure out?

1. It's easier to rule by fear than reason.

2. It's easier to group people together and get them all on the "same page" if they could point at a common enemy.

3. It's way easier to keep them inline if they can never actually see their leader (God) nor the leader of their enemy (Satan)

4. Then they use the long lasting assumption that they are "correct" as an axiomatic base for their "logic".

Meh... tired.

The more I read about it, the more I like to think of it as the grand gaslighting...

Every preacher I ever heard...

We are all sinners, I'm a sinner (obviously... not me, the preacher dumb azz), you're a sinner...

Then go through a bunch of wild azz reasons for your sin trying to hit pretty much everything to ensure that everyone is in fact a sinner (and if not, they should be thinking they are after getting beat down for 15 minutes).

Then provide the cure (Tithing makes everything better and will help wash away your sins).

Meh

Ok, for the article!!!

Who thinks there's nothing? There's obviously something. We live in a place which we call a universe, a think that's a good start to an axiomatic base.

The Universe Exists (pretty sure we can all agree on that one).

So I'm not sure who's saying there's "nothing", but clearly that's not the case.

So I guess the idea is "meaning" or lack there of.

I disagree that if you are not Christian or otherwise do not believe in any other deities, it does not imply that you have no "meaning" in your life.

I believe meaning is relative to the observer... aka, life is what you make of it.

If you want to sit around b*tching about liberals and heathens all day? Then I guess that's the meaning of your life.

Listen, this thing we live in, call it what you want. We have no idea the shape of this thing, whether this thing is sentient, if it is sentient, we can't see the bounds of it, have no idea what sentience would look like at that scale... yet these people 2000 years ago some how figure out what "it" wants.

Right....

It sounds to me like atheists like myself (specifically atheists with my hobbies), want what you want... To know more about this beautiful, wonderful structure we live in... call it what you will, God, the Universe, Nature, what ever... we all strive to understand it better, but we choose to go about it in different ways.

The fact that I choose to study math, physics and computation as opposed to burying my head in a Bible does not make me evil.

Throughout history, the church has shown time and time again that it would prefer to lock heretics like Galileo away then let them speak... their livelihood literally depends on people NOT UNDERSTANDING THE WORLD AROUND THEM.

Actually, I mis read what you wrote.


About the energy though: The thought is that cosmic inflation occurred from a temperature well below the Plank constant which caused the Hot Big Bang and subsequent baryogenesis. This suggests that the energy that “appeared” was only a change of state from the quantum foam that is the fabric of timespace. As well as causing timespace as we know it.
Of course it is a lot more expedient to just say God created it. Then we can ask where God came from….



Oh, In my experience ones religious convictions don’t have that much of a bearing on one being an intellectual. Though there may be a statistical bias.

Their new singer is pretty good.

While baryogenisis is possible, I simply find it to be a working hypothesis. Plus at least for myself the whole concept of energy neutral is just to incomplete. Not so much in a matter, anti matter concept, but in tangential ways. Though it is fascinating to consider. Finally time simply looses meaning for me at energy neutral. Is there positive and negative time? If there is are we time neutral and what the heck would that mean?

I think he's asking why we are even able to have this conversation if there was equal matter and anti-matter... he's thinking there should be nothing.

I think he finds the lack of nothingness disturbing.

But I'm historically bad at translating speyside.

so, I can breathe now?

Benny is searching for God's knowledge while believing there is no higher intelligence.
What fools these mortals be.

Then there's this...

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-jewish-god-yahweh-originated-in-canaanite-vulcan-says-new-theory-1.5992072

I'm not saying the above is true, it just highlights how limited the scope of size people had back then... they weren't thinking on the scale of the universe (they had no idea how to even be able to describe the universe other than through arbitrary pictures they saw in the sky)

I know the modern claim is God's domain is the entirety of all that there is where I'm guessing that includes a higher cosmological multiverse.

I don't think people back then had a concept of how big the universe really is... I don't think most people now have a concept of how big the universe really is... I mean it's really really big.

I guess what I'm ultimately trying to say is...

In my brain, the idea of a personal god just doesn't compute... it never will.

BGZ, many people will not even consider what you think.

Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.

Keep on thinking, those people are rather insignificant all things considered.

Watch the video I posted. Sean Carroll is far more credible than anything you've ever posted.

These are things a bit too far outside of our experience for us to fully understand - at least for now.

But, I do see nature as imbalance trying to balance it self. Even a simple carrier wave oscillates. But where did the antimatter go? Was it really created? I think the millennials need to get cracking on this.

The nothingness prior to the Big Bang prolly was not really nothingness. It was something outside of our physical laws. Outside of timespace as we know it. Perhaps nothing to us, by our standard, but not nothing.

The question is why he told only you and not us.

Maybe you should start a church…..

I hope he is more comprehensible than you.
I'll watch later, I just got back from seeing masked sheeple fearful of being punished for disobeying their overlords.
A strange sight in that store, the only miscreants without a face diaper were me and the employees of the establishment.
Anyway, had lunch, time for a cigar.

You want I should translate?

#dontlookup

So I take it you do not want to discuss quantum gravity approaching sigularities? Sigh, I wanted to discuss the possibility the quantum gravity could cease to exist at a point equidistant between 2 singularities.