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Whistlebritches Offline
#151 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
we're looking to get a plug in electric for our next vehicle purchase...daughter and SIL are considering the same...

after more than a century of dominance in the world economy, the fossil fuel industry (the actual folks responsible for the price of gasoline) is beginning it's slow fade



I can smell the buyers remorse all the way out here in Texas
Gene363 Offline
#152 Posted:
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Palama wrote:
Iffin’ we had solar, I’d seriously consider an electric vehicle next time we get something but since we don’t, I’d be more comfortable with a hybrid.

Perhaps someday there’ll be vehicles with solar panel roofs, trunks and other body parts that will allow for (fast) charging while driving? Think


It's coming, however cars will be much smaller and much lighter.
Whistlebritches Offline
#153 Posted:
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One other thing to consider..............most of us will be pushing up daisies before electric vehicles become common place.All this bullschit being pushed by the Biden administration about electric vehicles here and now is just that.........BULLSCHIT!!!
HockeyDad Offline
#154 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
we're looking to get a plug in electric for our next vehicle purchase...daughter and SIL are considering the same...

after more than a century of dominance in the world economy, the fossil fuel industry (the actual folks responsible for the price of gasoline) is beginning it's slow fade


Not going to work well during California brown outs and grid failures.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#155 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
It's coming, however cars will be much smaller and much lighter.

So, I should be looking into the weight loss thing still?


By God, I shall own a GT350 with internal combustion V8 before I own a 'lectric contraption. I care not of fiscal nor environmental responsibility in this matter.
MACS Offline
#156 Posted:
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Or... alternatively, you could own a vintage corvette like DED and Creepy Joe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-e4jfXuH3k
Sunoverbeach Offline
#157 Posted:
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Nah. For me vintage would be a '69-70 Boss or Mach 1 with a Cobra Jet, but my focus is the power and performance that the additional 50yrs of technological advancements have made.

My absolute ideal though would be to take the modern machine and wrap it in a vintage body
BuckyB93 Offline
#158 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Nah. For me vintage would be a '69-70 Boss or Mach 1 with a Cobra Jet, but my focus is the power and performance that the additional 50yrs of technological advancements have made.

My absolute ideal though would be to take the modern machine and wrap it in a vintage body


So like a modern day super model stuffed into in Betty White's skin?
BuckyB93 Offline
#159 Posted:
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One fiver NINE!
Sunoverbeach Offline
#160 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
So like a modern day super model stuffed into in Betty White's skin?

More like a modern day supermodel stuffed into Betty Page's skin, but during her prime years.
BuckyB93 Offline
#161 Posted:
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I don't think solar nor wind are long term solutions for a steady and reliable supply of electricity. They may work as a supplement in certain geographical areas but both of these technologies need mother nature to cooperate, and she don't give two franks about us.

Using batteries to store any excess energy created from solar on the sunny and turbines on windy days for use on the dark and calm days isn't even close to being there yet, if ever.

I'm not saying we shouldn't continue to research and develop these technologies, I believe we should, just saying that I don't think they will be the answer.
Mike3316 Offline
#162 Posted:
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Batteries are not the answer. Without getting into the question of WHERE the electricity will come from to charge them (wind and solar doesnt cut it) ... batteries are an environmental disaster waiting to happen. They're toxic. They cant be recycled. There is no really safe way to dispose of them. And lets discuss WHERE they come from. China manufactures the majority of the worlds batteries. Why? Because China controls the majority of worlds supply of minerals needed to make them. So yeah ... if you want to set up CHINA to be the OPEC of the 1970s then let's go all-in on battery technology.
BuckyB93 Offline
#163 Posted:
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^
This is another huge issue which I think many people fail to realize. Ever see a lithium fire? Rather impressive.
Mike3316 Offline
#164 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
^
This is another huge issue which I think many people fail to realize. Ever see a lithium fire? Rather impressive.

That's because the Dems and lamestream media refuse to talk about it. Not that the Republicans are any better.

And yes ... I HAVE seen a lith-ion battery explode. Even a AA sized battery can cause ALOT of damage when they blow!!!
BuckyB93 Offline
#165 Posted:
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Mike3316 wrote:
That's because the Dems and lamestream media refuse to talk about it. Not that the Republicans are any better.

And yes ... I HAVE seen a lith-ion battery explode. Even a AA sized battery can cause ALOT of damage when they blow!!!


Agreed. I think we should still further develop wind, solar, hydrogen cells, and battery technologies as a possible supplement to fossil fuels and they each may find a niche and be a stepping stone until we (human race) figure out the next generation of energy source to be used for future generations.

I would also like to see us start rebooting and building modern nuclear plants for energy production, again as a stepping stone to whatever the next (yet to be discovered or invented) source of energy will be.

Maybe we send a team of miners to the next asteroid that passes by to drill for some Dilithium crystals or suptin'
Mike3316 Offline
#166 Posted:
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^
Agreed. I believe hydrogen cells should definitely be further developed. Unfortunately I don't see alot of money to be made in water filling stations. Think
BuckyB93 Offline
#167 Posted:
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Yeah, current technology isn't efficient in making hydrogen - cost more energy to get it than it gives back when you use it. You either extract it from fossil fuels or from water via electrolysis. Again, maybe there's technology that we haven't invented yet that can make it more economically feasible. We won't know unless we work on it.
rfenst Offline
#168 Posted:
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Palama wrote:
... Perhaps someday there’ll be vehicles with solar panel roofs, trunks and other body parts that will allow for (fast) charging while driving? Think


They already exist and are being used for at least five years by UCF on campus here in Orlando. There is also photo-electric paint being tested on test cars.
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#169 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Or... alternatively, you could own a vintage corvette like DED and Creepy Joe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-e4jfXuH3k


I don't very much appreciate the association asshat.

I'm pretty sure one of us paid for ours and the other got it as a gift in return for access to the levers of our government.

aLLegdLy.
Gene363 Offline
#170 Posted:
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Getting gas this morning,

I noticed the person ahead of me on Pump 3 bought $10.00 worth.

Where the hell were they going?

To Pump 4?
Whistlebritches Offline
#171 Posted:
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**** all this unreliable bullschit.......... Let's add new nuclear plants and while in the development stage lets get those dependable coal and oil fired plants back online.Right now dependability is much more important than our carbon footprint.We can take these down as the new nuclear plants come online.


Left wing nut job tree hugging coqsuckers have put us in this predicament...........so lets give each and everyone of these clueless bastids an anal cranial inversion reversal tool................with that special Wylie Coyote dynomite attached
BuckyB93 Offline
#172 Posted:
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Actually stopped at a gas station earlier today in one of the surrounding towns. Pump charged me $3.40/gal.

I'm guessing an error on their part but I didn't go in to let them know that the pump might be undercharging me by a buck or so.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#173 Posted:
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Address please. It may not be worth the trip, but the principle of it is priceless
ZRX1200 Offline
#174 Posted:
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I’d like to add the manipulation of our currency to the conversation.

Biden has played a very small part in that long game overall.
Burner02 Offline
#175 Posted:
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$4.159 here locally in LA.

I was in Pensacola yesterday and saw 87 at $4.179. I was a little supprised because normally the FL prices will run on average 12-15 cents more a gallon.
frankj1 Offline
#176 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
So, you are saying that the futures market (for any commodity really) is not a good predictor of the future of that market?

The market understands that in a few weeks, the ships from Russia with barrels of Russian oil that the current demand requires will suddenly not be arriving. As a result, they indicate that the demand is projected to be higher than the supply, and, as any third grader could predict, the price of oil goes up. Not because the barrel hitting the shores today cost any more to produce, but because the market is reacting to impending anticipated (and highly likely) shortfalls in production versus current demand.

It's not "fear mongering", it's a realstic near-term prediction.

I understand and also believe you understand this better than I do...but (didn't see that coming, eh?) if the oil/gas moguls react to real time events with immediate pricing changes on existing (already paid for) inventory, shouldn't there have been some noticeable price drop at the pump yesterday as the cost of barrels dropped...I believe below $100.

It appears that instant reaction only goes up, and price drops are more gradual.
8trackdisco Offline
#177 Posted:
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An irritant for me, is for the last twenty years, the summer-blend of gas bumps the price up 10 cents per gallon.
Don't recall the announcements in the fall of Going back to Autumn/Winter Gas and the 10 cent adjustment down.

West Texas Intermediate was $98.05 this morning. Brent Crude still $101.

Anybody know what makes up the American oil cocktail recipe?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#178 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Anybody know what makes up the American oil cocktail recipe?


Ball-bearings. It's all done with ball-bearings nowadays.
Stogie1020 Offline
#179 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I understand and also believe you understand this better than I do...but (didn't see that coming, eh?) if the oil/gas moguls react to real time events with immediate pricing changes on existing (already paid for) inventory, shouldn't there have been some noticeable price drop at the pump yesterday as the cost of barrels dropped...I believe below $100.

It appears that instant reaction only goes up, and price drops are more gradual.


In the middle of the night you hear a loud noise at your front door. You are quick to grab the 12GA, but slow to put it down when you hear no more noises...

When you eat bad Thai food, you are quick to get to a bathroom, but slow to walk away from it...

Plus, I am confident that most oil market analysts believe that the drop in crude prices are a temporary and artificial drop, and that prices will go back up.

frankj1 Offline
#180 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
In the middle of the night you hear a loud noise at your front door. You are quick to grab the 12GA, but slow to put it down when you hear no more noises...

When you eat bad Thai food, you are quick to get to a bathroom, but slow to walk away from it...

Plus, I am confident that most oil market analysts believe that the drop in crude prices are a temporary and artificial drop, and that prices will go back up.


great. now I'm craving massaman curry and my wallet was stolen.
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#181 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
great. now I'm craving massaman curry and my wallet was stolen.

come over, we are having baked ziti. Dinner is at 5:30. No idea what time zone, though.
frankj1 Offline
#182 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
come over, we are having baked ziti. Dinner is at 5:30. No idea what time zone, though.

I know you mean it.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#183 Posted:
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Actually bought gas today. $4.84 / gallon...

It was 100LL avgas tho.
tonygraz Offline
#184 Posted:
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In town the price was 4.39 yesterday, today same station was 4.33. Our Governor and legislature are discussing a gas tax cut of .25 a gallon.
Whistlebritches Offline
#185 Posted:
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Regular $3.88 in Abilene today
Whistlebritches Offline
#186 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
In town the price was 4.39 yesterday, today same station was 4.33. Our Governor and legislature are discussing a gas tax cut of .25 a gallon.



It's New Jersey Tony...........you know damn good and well they're going to make that up elsewhere. Once the flow starts rolling they just can't help but spend it faster than they get it.
HockeyDad Offline
#187 Posted:
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Paid $6.39 on Sunday. $109 to fill the tank.
frankj1 Offline
#188 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
It's New Jersey Tony...........you know damn good and well they're going to make that up elsewhere. Once the flow starts rolling they just can't help but spend it faster than they get it.

I think he's in Connecticut
BuckyB93 Offline
#189 Posted:
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CT, NJ, and lower NY are all the same though aren't they, other than the zip code?

Uno ate NINE!
Mike3316 Offline
#190 Posted:
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You are correct Bucky. There is little difference between the Tri-states. But I can promise you this - there is no way that Gov. Smurphy would EVER suggest lowering any tax!!!!
Gene363 Offline
#191 Posted:
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Great Idea!

Run pornos on gas pump screens, that way you're not the only one getting fucked.
Whistlebritches Offline
#192 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I think he's in Connecticut



Same difference.........
tonygraz Offline
#193 Posted:
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Wrong as usual - ya can't fix stupid,
Whistlebritches Offline
#194 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Wrong as usual - ya can't fix stupid,



You could just correct me if I am wrong...........but no you have to be a petty hateful little man.


I'm gonna pray for you
Mike3316 Offline
#195 Posted:
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Play nice boys. lol
Burner02 Offline
#196 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Nah. For me vintage would be a '69-70 Boss or Mach 1 with a Cobra Jet, but my focus is the power and performance that the additional 50yrs of technological advancement



Or a Cougar of the same years.
tonygraz Offline
#197 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
You could just correct me if I am wrong...........but no you have to be a petty hateful little man.


I'm gonna pray for you


I'm not little or hateful, I just don't like loud mouth morons, particularly those with treasonous attitudes.
MACS Offline
#198 Posted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCvy8m3whXw

Hilarious.
dkeage Offline
#199 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
Or a Cougar of the same years.

Dad had a 69 Cougar with a 351. Black with red pin stripes.
Gene363 Offline
#200 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCvy8m3whXw

Hilarious.



Yup
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