America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 2 years ago by Sunoverbeach. 10 replies replies.
Electoral College
Speyside2 Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 11-11-2021
Posts: 2,384
Many Americans seem to be confused about the purpose of the Electoral College. To understand its purpose, one should read The Federalist Papers written by John Jay, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison. The U.S. Constitution had to be argued for to get it ratified by the 13 states, and that is what The Federalist Papers did.

The Founding Fathers created a constitutional republic, and they made a series of compromises to make it work. One was the Electoral College, designed to have independent electors choose the president of the United States. Their biggest consideration was the quality of the candidate and his popular vote. However, the Founding Fathers did not envision the development of the “winner-take-all system” that evolved in the next 50 years. Whoever gets the majority of vote in each state receives “all the electoral votes” of the state.

The winner-take-all system is not in the U.S. Constitution. Therefore it is quite possible to eliminate it without changing the U.S. Constitution. It is up to the states. Maine and Nebraska do not use it and have a system based on congressional districts. In the recent election in Maine, Hillary Clinton received three electoral votes and Donald Trump received one. Some argue that the real purpose of the Electoral College is to weaken the influence of large urban areas such as California and New York.

That is not true. James Madison clearly states that the biggest worry for the new republic was the threat of factions (political parties or interest groups) that would choose directly an unqualified person. Even today, in theory, electors in December can independently cast their vote. In fact, the electors are pawns of the political parties.


The other reason for the Electoral College came about from the three-fifths compromise. The southern states were concerned about their lack of representation in the new Congress and also the election of the president. A compromise that allowed them to count three-fifths of slaves as people was made so that they would have more representation.

The issue was not urban vs. rural representation, but large vs. small states. The Great Compromise settled that issue with allowing each state to have two senators and the House of Representatives to be based on the population of the states. What has evolved now is the current system that does not allow “one man (or woman) one vote.” None of the people in the great majority of our states have their vote cast in December if they voted for the Democratic candidate. That person did receive as many as 2 million more votes than her opponent. This is not majority rule, one of the great principles in the U.S. Constitution.

It is interesting that James Madison, in 1827, wrote a letter complaining about the “winner-take-all” system that prevented Andrew Jackson from being elected president in 1824. Americans should have this debate over the current system, and the best way to have an intelligent debate is improve civic education in the areas of history, government and economics.

This is from therepublic.

A few years old, but enlightening non the less.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2017
Posts: 14,665
The cemetery is so crowded. People are just dying to get in
RayR Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,888
If you want to have an intelligent debate to improve civic education in the areas of history, government, and economics, the Democrats will call you a racist.
HockeyDad Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,130
Ray’s post is a micro aggression.
BuckyB93 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 07-16-2004
Posts: 14,188
I think we should just do coin flip as most of the recent candidates of the main political parties (over the past... my life time) are and have been equally sucky.

That or a duel. Not just for the POTUS but for Congress too. If we were to employ duel method, we could whittle down and eliminate the swamp creatures little by little.
RayR Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,888
Agreed, let's make dueling great again. The swamp lizard population needs some culling.
They can choose their weapons. ⚔️
Stogie1020 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
Posts: 5,327
I havve long felt that our "primary" system has been subverted not to elect the best president, but the most appealing candidate. The two do not often equal each other.
RayR Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,888
Stogie1020 wrote:
I havve long felt that our "primary" system has been subverted not to elect the best president, but the most appealing candidate. The two do not often equal each other.


They say it's the "WILL OF THE PEOPLE" to choose the most appealing demagogue, not the superior man.

Mencken explained the MODUS OPERANDI: "The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots."
BuckyB93 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 07-16-2004
Posts: 14,188
Stogie1020 wrote:
I havve long felt that our "primary" system has been subverted not to elect the best president, but the most appealing candidate. The two do not often equal each other.


In my opinion, those that are most qualified to be president are smart enough to not run. Politics is such a dirty business, I can't fathom why anyone would want to enter the mud slinging arena with all the crap that goes on.

That said, I'd be up for running for a one term seat in Congress. I can be a do nothing like most in Congress and I promise to not run again. Just vote me in... after my term is up, I'm gone. The one term of doing nothing will still give me lifetime federal bennies that I'll be more than happy to take.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2017
Posts: 14,665
My favorite movie is the Hunchback of Notre Dame. I love a character with a twisted back story
Users browsing this topic
Guest