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Speyside2 Online
#1 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 1:59 PM EST
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Believe this or not.
Hospital grade N95, KN95, and, K95 masks provide various levels of aerosol SARS-COVID2 suppression. All other masks provide approximately 0% of aerosol SARS-COVID2 suppression.

Everyone always talks about how far infectious material travels horizontally. It doesn't matter.

Let's talk about how far it travels vertically. From any side of a mask that is not hospital grade tight infectious material is expelled into the air.

Human aerosol stays in the air approximately 20 minutes. Is there a difference if the aerosol is coughed on you or you walk through it? Answer, no. This is why the government states the 3 above masks are best.

I have tried all 3 of those masks. Breathing through them for any period of time is extremely difficult. Difficult to the point that my oxygen level starts dropping.

So wearing those masks simply is unrealistic. This is only a grouping of my thoughts. As far as I can find there is no information about it. When my glasses fogged up today while wearing a mask, this process of my thoughts was triggered. Also when breathing in while wear a mask other than the 3 mentioned most of you air will come from the loose sides of the mask. Finally while it is possible to be infected by a droplet I think the odds of that are approximately 0%. The droplet would have to enter you eyes, nose, or mouth.

Just my 2 cents. Today my opinion on the value of masking changed.
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#2 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 2:07 PM EST
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Would you tell your next surgeon not to wear a mask?

To protect his freedom, of course.
MACS Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 2:23 PM EST
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Again, you're showing your stupidity.

Would you spray paint a car in a paint booth with a cloth mask?
HockeyDad Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 2:30 PM EST
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I fully expect and even demand that Brewha wear a mask the rest of his life. He will not be alone. I expect millions will never unmask. It will be a major social anxiety issue.
RayR Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 2:34 PM EST
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Brewha the Maskerbater....

Stop being a Fauchist dope, your surgeon wears a mask to protect him from being splashed from blood and stuff, not from aerosols. I know you feel invincible when wearing your face diaper because your masters told you so but get real...masks don't work against viruses. It's all about training the proles to do stupid human tricks, so they become accustomed to obeying every demand of their overlords, it's all political theater. šŸµ šŸ™ˆ šŸ™‰ šŸ™Š šŸ’
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#6 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 4:56 PM EST
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At least try to make a salient point. You don't walk into an OR without wearing an N95.
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#7 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 5:17 PM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
At least try to make a salient point. You don't walk into an OR without wearing an N95.

AAAAAaaaaaaaaaand, they still pump you fulll of antibiotics after a surgery. You are right, the surgical mask isn't protecting the patient from aeresolized particles coming from the surgeon's mouth.
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#8 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 6:25 PM EST
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Brewha Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 7:34 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Again, you're showing your stupidity.

Would you spray paint a car in a paint booth with a cloth mask?

Upon my soul MACS, you are becoming rude.

Did I call you stupid for your indentured belief in your video mining?

Yes I know your understanding breeds rage, but try and be civil.
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#10 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 7:36 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I fully expect and even demand that Brewha wear a mask the rest of his life. He will not be alone. I expect millions will never unmask. It will be a major social anxiety issue.

You demand?


LOL






Sometimes you just bust me up HD.
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 8:22 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You demand?


LOL


Sometimes you just bust me up HD.


Fineā€¦.you can follow my mask mandate or listen to RayR and unmask. Drop that mask and youā€™re on a ventilator in two weeks.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 8:29 PM EST
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IT'S DUCK SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bgz Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 8:30 PM EST
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QTurds running the show in AZ... no masks.

Except at the weed store... lotta pronouns I don't remember there.
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#14 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 8:43 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Fineā€¦.you can follow my mask mandate or listen to RayR and unmask. Drop that mask and youā€™re on a ventilator in two weeks.


Took a real long time for the covid to find me, and I was even triple dog daring it with no mask and no shot!!

And then... THEN, it finally got me! Snuck right up on me and took me out!

Oh, wait... no it didn't. I was uncomfortable for a few days. No fever, some chills, night sweats and a persistent dry cough but no hospital, no ventilator, ain't dead.

Whoowee. Deadly stuff. It's killed about 1% of the people infected.
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#15 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 9:39 PM EST
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I think we can all agree that everyone on the planet will catch SARS-covid2. That being the case if 1% of the population dies 80,000,000 people will die. I consider 80,000,000 deaths extraordinary deadly.

MACS, do you think 80,000,000 deaths is acceptable?
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#16 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 9:53 PM EST
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Life is terminal, Spey. We're all gonna die. What I consider "acceptable" doesn't matter. It is inevitable.

Heart disease, cancer, viral infection, bacterial infection, accidents, stroke... we can't stop these things. We can mitigate some of them and that's fine.

The government can't protect you from death.
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#17 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 9:59 PM EST
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And 56 million people die annually already. 7.9 billion is a large number.

We're adding to it by 140 million new babies every year, too... so even if you add 80 million covid deaths, we're still at a net gain.
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#18 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 10:08 PM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
I think we can all agree that everyone on the planet will catch SARS-covid2. That being the case if 1% of the population dies 80,000,000 people will die. I consider 80,000,000 deaths extraordinary deadly.

MACS, do you think 80,000,000 deaths is acceptable?


Spey, I am feeing lazy right now, so I will ask if you are able to isolate the mortality rate from Omicron (excluding Delta). I suspect it will be MUCH less than 1%, and since viruses (virii?) tend to become more transmissible but less severe as they mutate, Omicron is likely a line in the sand. As with prior pandemics, mortality rates will begin to fall and eventually hit a baseline that is likely in line with influenza (~40-80k dead in the US per year).
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#19 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 10:13 PM EST
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Fair enough. My opinion is different. Death is inevitable, but I want to beat the bastid in every way possible. That is why my career was in cellular physiology specializing in curing disease at the cellular level. Truly it was my avocation.

I believe every single disease has a cure, so my everyday premise is we can stop or greatly lower deaths from a specific disease if we find the correct solution. I believe you need to find the right question before you can find the right answer.

Not saying you are wrong. Just explaining where I come from.
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#20 Posted: Tue, Feb 8 2022, 10:22 PM EST
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I was making a point to MACS. My best educated guess? SaRS-covid2 will end up being more contagious than the flu for decades as it is a new virus. It will end up being less deadly. My best educated guess is that about .15% of people who catch it now die. In the long haul my best educated guess is in say 50 years about .05% of the people who catch it will die.
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#21 Posted: Wed, Feb 9 2022, 5:11 PM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
I think we can all agree that everyone on the planet will catch SARS-covid2. That being the case if 1% of the population dies 80,000,000 people will die. I consider 80,000,000 deaths extraordinary deadly.

MACS, do you think 80,000,000 deaths is acceptable?


Yep, he does.

Rationalizing is a powerful tool.

Just like MACS Herfing
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#22 Posted: Wed, Feb 9 2022, 6:28 PM EST
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Difference between a slice of pizza and a dead man?
A slice of pizza won't fill the whole family
MACS Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Feb 9 2022, 6:57 PM EST
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At least tools are sometimes useful... unlike Brewha.

Useless POS.
RayR Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Feb 9 2022, 7:18 PM EST
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So you are saying Brewha is a tool of the regime?
Speyside2 Online
#25 Posted: Thu, Feb 10 2022, 9:25 AM EST
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Brewha is a Russian bot. That has been known for years. Get with the program.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Feb 10 2022, 5:26 PM EST
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Why do orphans play tennis?
It's the only love they get
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#27 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 7:50 AM EST
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Even kids with chickenpox...

https://youtu.be/HKm4FYBMVgo
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#28 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 11:45 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
At least tools are sometimes useful... unlike Brewha.

Useless POS.

Donā€™t hate me because Iā€™m beautifulā€¦..
Brewha Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 11:45 AM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
Brewha is a Russian bot. That has been known for years. Get with the program.

Hey now, youā€™re the one that chats with RayRay.
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#30 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:02 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Donā€™t hate me because Iā€™m beautifulā€¦..


Based on your avatar, you look like a stone faced relic but I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

(P.S. you missed a nine)
Brewha Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:11 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Based on your avatar, you look like a stone faced relic but I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

(P.S. you missed a nine)

My bad.

I was never good with numbers. Thatā€™s why I went into engineeringā€¦..
tonygraz Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:17 PM EST
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You are also very good at annoying MACS. Keep it up, you beautiful Texan.
Speyside2 Online
#33 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:20 PM EST
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I have tried to engage him in conversation, I try to find the good in everyone, unfortunately he isn't able to discuss the merit of any opinion other than his own. I have came to the opinion that intelligent discussion is beyond his ability. Basically he is an angry parrot unable to defend his opinions other than by quoting others. Every time I engage him I realize I wasted my time.
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#34 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:20 PM EST
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I have tried to engage him in conversation, I try to find the good in everyone, unfortunately he isn't able to discuss the merit of any opinion other than his own. I have came to the opinion that intelligent discussion is beyond his ability. Basically he is an angry parrot unable to defend his opinions other than by quoting others. Every time I engage him I realize I wasted my time.
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#35 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:24 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
My bad.

I was never good with numbers. Thatā€™s why I went into engineeringā€¦..


I admit, you're a better quizzer than Bucky...

If Lagrange and Lorentz are involved in it, then it's guaranteed to bore the sh*t out of the rest of the vherf.
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#36 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:45 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I admit, you're a better quizzer than Bucky...

If Lagrange and Lorentz are involved in it, then it's guaranteed to bore the sh*t out of the rest of the vherf.

True that.
We could tell them they are ZZ Topā€™s songsā€¦..
bgz Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:52 PM EST
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Just tell them Lorentz was the drummer...
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#38 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:52 PM EST
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MACS is easy to talk to.

But to be fair he didnā€™t discover Daveā€™s Killer bread until recently.
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#39 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 12:59 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
MACS is easy to talk to.

But to be fair he didnā€™t discover Daveā€™s Killer bread until recently.

Heā€™s a good guy but pizzes off easy. Sometimes I visualize him with a pressure gage on his head.
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#40 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 2:28 PM EST
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I'd have to disagree. I don't think he's easily agitated. My interactions with MACS are quite mild. I'd say that he's rather mainstream, just my opinion man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-xI1384Ry4 (one of the best scenes in one of the bestest movies)

I'd go as far to say that he's kind of a Pu$$y.

(worm on a hook, bobber on the line and and see what bites)

MACS and Tank go bowling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiQmQhA-OrM

(I totally have to watch this movie again for the 1,000th time)
bgz Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 2:46 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Heā€™s a good guy but pizzes off easy. Sometimes I visualize him with a pressure gage on his head.



Oh, this turn into a MACs hazing thread?

In that case he reminds me of a Sam Kinison who hasn't sniffed out some coke yet.
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#42 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 4:58 PM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
Believe this or not.
Hospital grade N95, KN95, and, K95 masks provide various levels of aerosol SARS-COVID2 suppression. All other masks provide approximately 0% of aerosol SARS-COVID2 suppression.


And yet FAA regulations still just require any face even though the government has admitted that only N95 respirators have any value.

Masks were always about a visible show of compliance.
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#43 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 5:29 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Oh, this turn into a MACs hazing thread?

In that case he reminds me of a Sam Kinison who hasn't sniffed out some coke yet.

Have you noticed that if there is something he does not understand, he says it is stupid?

Kind of a defense mechanism.
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#44 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 10:09 PM EST
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I remember the time I was kidnapped and they sent back a piece of my finger to my father. He said he wanted more proof.
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#45 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 10:15 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
You are also very good at annoying MACS. Keep it up, you beautiful Texan.


Annoyed? You give him way too much credit. Slightly amused is more like it.

But I understand you putting Brewha on a pedastal since you can't even amuse me. Loser.
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#46 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 10:27 PM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
I have tried to engage him in conversation, I try to find the good in everyone, unfortunately he isn't able to discuss the merit of any opinion other than his own. I have came to the opinion that intelligent discussion is beyond his ability. Basically he is an angry parrot unable to defend his opinions other than by quoting others. Every time I engage him I realize I wasted my time.


Were you speaking of me? When have you tried to engage me in conversation? You have CAME to the opinion that intelligent discussion is beyond my ability, yet you can't figure out tense?

I'm an angry parrot? Unable to defend my opinion?

At least I have an opinion. Too bad Victor disappeared... you were good at following him around like chester following spike saying... "Yeah! What he said!"

Next time you have an original thought will be the first time. Know what's funny? I've had 4 glasses of whiskey and I can still type more coherently than you do sober.

Now... if ya'll will esssssssscuuuuuuuse me...

For some reason ZZ Top's La Grange is stuck in my head... A haw, haw, haw, haw
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#47 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 10:37 PM EST
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Anything less than an N95 is basically like using a condom with a hole in it.
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#48 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 10:43 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Anything less than an N95 is basically like using a condom with a hole in it.



Oooooh, but mask mandates! Cloth masks! You want your surgeon not to wear a mask!!

People are gullible and stupid, yet they'll call free thinkers unable to defend their opinion. Remember me? I'm the guy that said I will not be getting injected with an experimental shot that has not been tested.

Remember those who said I should follow the science? Yet the science wasn't settled. That's the nature of science. It's never settled. And now it shows those very shots do... not... work. You still get infected, you can still spread the virus.

And now the CDC who was telling us to wear those masks... is now saying they are wholly ineffective and only the N95 or better will suffice.

Huh... who saw that coming? *raises hand*
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#49 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 10:44 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Were you speaking of me? When have you tried to engage me in conversation? You have CAME to the opinion that intelligent discussion is beyond my ability, yet you can't figure out tense?

I'm an angry parrot? Unable to defend my opinion?

At least I have an opinion. Too bad Victor disappeared... you were good at following him around like chester following spike saying... "Yeah! What he said!"

Next time you have an original thought will be the first time. Know what's funny? I've had 4 glasses of whiskey and I can still type more coherently than you do sober.

Now... if ya'll will esssssssscuuuuuuuse me...

For some reason ZZ Top's La Grange is stuck in my head... A haw, haw, haw, haw

I think you missed the Lagrange pointā€¦..
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#50 Posted: Sat, Feb 12 2022, 10:52 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I think you missed the Lagrange pointā€¦..


Wait... ya'll were talking about the science and NOT ZZ Top? That's just dumb. Awesome song though.

Admittedly I was a Navy engineer... which is to say I worked on boilers, turbines, pumps and such... so I dealt with kinetic and potential energy, not the relativity of physics crapola. The math equations... hypnotic. Put me right to sleep.

Give me some tools and point me to the broken sh*t.
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