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Poll Question : What is the biggest obstacle to lessening division
Choice Votes Statistics
Getting past our own biases 0 0 %
Acknowledging our acceptance of oppositional ideas 1 4 %
Challenging our own ideas 1 4 %
Trying harder to be “decent” 0 0 %
Turning off television/social media 4 16 %
Being more religious 1 4 %
Being less religious 1 4 %
Smoking more weed/ eating more shrooms 2 8 %
Hanging politicians that don’t uphold their oaths 12 50 %
Quit eating communist waffles and eat pancakes 2 8 %
Total 24 100%

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Philosophical question
ZRX1200 Offline
#1 Posted:
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Let’s hold hands and sing a songHerfing
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Without consequences, nothing changes. FIW, "Hanging" is representative of consequences, not necessarily lethal.

You also nee a people are idiots choice.
Stogie1020 Offline
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I voted before I read post #2.

I was voting for literal hanging not figurative hanging.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I meant literal hanging…
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What are you smoking Z? I want some.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I haven’t been maybe that’s the problem….sorry I missed your call btw I was at dinner with my daughter at a buddies house.
HockeyDad Offline
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What is the biggest obstacle to lessening division?

They need to realize that they are wrong.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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If everyone learned to love pancakes the way they deserve, all would be well
Gene363 Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
I voted before I read post #2.

I was voting for literal hanging not figurative hanging.



ZRX1200 wrote:
I meant literal hanging…



Alrighty then, death it is. I'm good, after all I have mentioned the French had a pretty efficient solution backing the day.
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I think it’s about critical thinking. Stepping out of yourself for a moment and seeing that both sides, even the Far right and far left, both want a better world. Granted they have very different views and values about what would make a better world.

Politics is always a struggle of class against class. Oddly, many fight for a different class than their own. This is the art and science of politics. Getting your opposition to vote for you.

Now take welfare; is it a detrimental handout to slackers and thieves or is it the humanitarian right thing to do that helps us all? Well, it’s both. Yet we get sold on it being largely one or the other - by people with a vested interest.

So when the vote comes, it something really in your best interest? In our best interest?

Doesn’t matter what you think, there is a YouTube video out there that will tell you you are right - or wrong.

Think for yourself and try to remember that the other guy is just fighting for what is best - he just may be a poopy head….
RayR Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
What is the biggest obstacle to lessening division?

They need to realize that they are wrong.


It's always us against the LIZARD PEOPLE! 🦎
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Brewha, you badly missed the point. ANY POLITICIANS, this basically means every politician. Plus, let's make back loads of that money they are whores for, and decrease the national debt. Pay per view world wide. Death games 2022. Plus for the big guys, hunting, someone would pay big money to kill Biden, Trump, et al. Plus greater pay per view revenue. I like it Z!!
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Brewha wrote:

Think for yourself and try to remember that the other guy is just fighting for what is best - he just may be a poopy head….


Or he may just have the very twisted hobby of bringing out the poopyhead in other people.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Brew you never eliminate classes, only the titles and clothes change in even the most severe actions.

Operational framework is much more important IMO. That’s kind of where selfishly I’d like to see the conversation return to, most “ism”s are a tool of distraction and division.
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just to clarify, now we wanted them to Hang Mike Pence when the tourists built those gallows?
I'm so confused.
RayR Offline
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Wait a second. You said, "we wanted them to Hang Mike Pence". Were you part of that Frank?
HockeyDad Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
just to clarify, now we wanted them to Hang Mike Pence when the tourists built those gallows?
I'm so confused.


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bgz Offline
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Careful of that flag... one poke through the forums...
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Here ZRX...You'll appreciate this.

https://youtu.be/XflisXO5mIQ

Seeing two minds meet in the middle was refreshing to see. It does nothing to change my mind on either one, but their effort in real discussion was nice. Bill, has ALWAYS tried to play up the "but I'm a Libertarian", when he hasn't walked the walk at all. Smoking weed doesn't define one as Libertarian. Hearing him having to back peddle on whom he's defended all these years is worth watching him for. He only pops up on conservative websites when he renounces the DNC and it's stupidity. During the Trump administration he was one of the loudest "Trump is Hitler" screamers. Hearing him talk about vaccines...he was right up in the mask up and get the jab crowd mere months ago. It really makes me wonder if his capitulation is just to save his paydays.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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RayR wrote:
Wait a second. You said, "we wanted them to Hang Mike Pence". Were you part of that Frank?



The whole I didn't vote for Biden part narrative is falling apart.
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News and Social Media are products sold by advertisers.
As a people, we are too dim to understand that.
Those who believe they are getting the straight story are delusional.
The right will continue to feed Fox News, the far left will continue to feed MSNBC & CNN. And the people calling themselves moderates watch the slightly less-left mainstream network news.

Or, we get all of the Pancake people together, crush this Waffle Rebellion once and for all and we'll have peace in our time.
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Pride
ZRX1200 Offline
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#pancakepride

Waffles are for 🌈
ZRX1200 Offline
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https://youtu.be/x0pPPkkT7GI
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The whole I didn't vote for Biden part narrative is falling apart.

didn't vote for Trump either.
You didn't vote at all yet still appointed yourself as the Lecturer in Charge.
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If you didn't vote for Trump you voted for Biden. That is the alternative truth.
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Speyside2 wrote:
If you didn't vote for Trump you voted for Biden. That is the alternative truth.


Untrue.
8trackdisco Offline
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What will be telling is how the Republicans can eff this up. Trump isn’t the solution. Wonder how many conservatives are Never-Trumpers.

55% are anti-Biden.
Independents get split.
10% of Republicans are Never-Trumpers.
Bravado and over confidence drives Trump to the nomination.
Biden wins re-election by a sliver.

Trump was a palate cleanser. I understand and appreciate him beating Hillary although I didn’t support or vote for him.

Making him out to be the face of the party for the 21st century is a poor idea.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Untrue.

I agree, especially in Massachusetts and especially under the Electoral College system.

A vote for GOP loses.
Dems win without my vote.

The only way a third or even fourth party gets the money and a seat at the next national debate is by garnering 15% of the vote (I think that's the percentage).

I plan to continue this practice indefinitely. If enough dissatisfied voters do this, we may someday have choices that better represent individuals views. But people seem to prefer complaining to trying to use the system effectively.
15 frankin' percent!
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8trackdisco wrote:

Bravado and over confidence drives Trump to the nomination.
Biden wins re-election by a sliver.

Is there an option C, please?

How about
Tripod for President - The third leg's for stability!
frankj1 Offline
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Is there an option C, please?

How about
Tripod for President - The third leg's for stability!

I don't wanna be a drag
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Would make for a solid platform tho
frankj1 Offline
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well, no one could say I don't have a leg to stand on
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frankj1 wrote:
well, no one could say I don't have a leg to stand on


You could just read excerpts from your biography: "trails in the sand."
bgz Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
What will be telling is how the Republicans can eff this up. Trump isn’t the solution. Wonder how many conservatives are Never-Trumpers.

55% are anti-Biden.
Independents get split.
10% of Republicans are Never-Trumpers.
Bravado and over confidence drives Trump to the nomination.
Biden wins re-election by a sliver.

Trump was a palate cleanser. I understand and appreciate him beating Hillary although I didn’t support or vote for him.

Making him out to be the face of the party for the 21st century is a poor idea.


^ He's the reasonable one...

I'm more a hammer ram27bat
frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
You could just read excerpts from your biography: "trails in the sand."

Dude!
You got an advance copy.
It's not being released until meteorological Summer.

btw, looking at a couple of huts in W. Hyannisport tomorrow for last two weeks of July...

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frankj1 wrote:
didn't vote for Trump either.
You didn't vote at all yet still appointed yourself as the Lecturer in Charge.


Yeah, where's the post where I did that?
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I don’t think we’d have a chitty of candidates if we focused on what we have in common and we’re respecting of rights. 🤷‍♂️
RayR Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don’t think we’d have a chitty of candidates if we focused on what we have in common and we’re respecting of rights. 🤷‍♂️


What dumb azz said that Z?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Axl wrote that man Mellow
RayR Offline
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Axl is a dumb azz then man.

So he wants us to hold hands and sing a song?
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tailgater wrote:
You could just read excerpts from your biography: "trails in the sand."


I read the pre-release cliff notes of that book.

Wandering the desert for 40 yrs... dragging the third leg... Talk about a raw burn in biblical proportions that he had to suffer through on such a tender appendage. I would almost rather be crucified.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, where's the post where I did that?

you voted for Trump when he lost.
You did not vote at all when he won but appointed yourself a front runner and scorner of those who were not fooled by the Grifter in Charge.

Yeah, lecture those who actually voted, tell them that they voted wrong when you passed altogether.
Hard to listen to the one who says do what I say, not what I do.
Hypocrisy.

And you chase me around claiming you know my votes?
Even weirder.

Want to claim you voted both times? You wanna minute to think about it?
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Death is nature's way of saying, "Your table's ready."
- RW
DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
you voted for Trump when he lost.


So?

frankj1 wrote:
You did not vote at all when he won but appointed yourself a front runner and scorner of those who were not fooled by the Grifter in Charge.


I haven't appointed myself of anything. It's called Free Speech. You don't have to like what I say. I might not like what you have to say, but I've defended your right to say it.

frankj1 wrote:
Yeah, lecture those who actually voted, tell them that they voted wrong when you passed altogether.
Hard to listen to the one who says do what I say, not what I do.
Hypocrisy.


Lecture? That would imply that you're listening and learning. You haven't shown that to me. You're still stuck in the mud.

frankj1 wrote:
And you chase me around claiming you know my votes?
Even weirder.


I don't chase you. At all. I find that rather funny. BOO!

frankj1 wrote:
Want to claim you voted both times? You wanna minute to think about it?


I don't need a minute. You know the EXACT reason why I didn't vote for him in the 1st election. Are you going to play stupid for everyone here again and act like you don't know?

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you kept insisting I voted for Biden. Dropped hints here and there, I ignored most.
But that's an incorrect assumption.

Had I actually believed in him, I would have gladly done so. Wish I could have in fact.
But I had doubts he was up to the mess the 2020 winner would inherit.

As a registered "unenrolled" (used to be "independent" in MA but now that's a party I guess) I'm far likelier to go Democrat, but I can't support them with the wildly progressive growth happening...though it's no surprise some progressive stuff is not distasteful to me, I am a left of center Liberal on many issues after all.
But locally, I'm even looking to get involved to unseat Pressley. Thinking about it at least. Not sure if it comes down to simply campaigning for an opponent but that's not a draw for me.

So I went 3rd party again for reasons stated a few times.
Wish you had done the same in 2016.

You knew I'd remember WHY you passed, HA!- we actually had some good interaction back then...we both despised Hillary and neither took Trump seriously blah blah blah.
Again, I wish just 1.5 out of 10 voters who hate the major party choices weren't being told 3rd party has no chance so it's a wasted vote. Having no chance does not mean no effect.

I'd rather 5 parties than 2. I'll settle for 3 though.

I'm hardly stupid, I'm also fairly confident most here would say the same of me. I do better than simply survive here for a reason despite being in the vast minority of political opinion.
I am more civil than you, probably more open minded, but at the same time I do know you have and would defend my right to say even dumb chit, and I have and will return the courtesy.
RayR Offline
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So....You now you admit you're a disgruntled LEFTY ? Eh?
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RayR wrote:
So....You now you admit I have no idea what others really believe because I am close minded? Eh?

guilty as charged.
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I tried.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I tried.

little did you know I flunked Philosophy 101.
Missed the final cuz I went to a 3 day party somewhere near Kutztown State College with a buddy from Bethlehem PA.
His dad was filthy rich and sent a single engine plane that picked us up somewhere near Seneca Falls NY (we were "attending" Eisenhower College 1971) and flew us to Lancaster PA (before Mr Jones saved the planet) and had a new BMW waiting for us to complete the trip.

To this day, I feel it was worth it. Woulda killed my kids if they did it.
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