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RayR Offline
#51 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
Last Amended in 1992.

It's a living document. Dictionary.com is your friend. Were the founding fathers all leftists?

You should get a hobby. Try gardening. Maybe view your lawn as a leftist lawn. Think of the satisfaction you'd get every time you mow it!


I heard Dictionary.com is run by commies. Your trusted source for constitutional education? LOL










Brewha Offline
#52 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Brewha, because hand grenades are explody.

Dam big difference between grenades and the most popular rifle type in the country, which still only accounts for a part of the 3% of firearm fatalities attributed to rifles in 2020, in spite of its demonization due to its scary appearance

So what? I’m an American and I have the right to be armed. Grenades are arms.

People like you are taking away my rights…..
Sunoverbeach Offline
#53 Posted:
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Now, now. Sarcasm doesn't become you
RayR Offline
#54 Posted:
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I heard that some busybody leftists were able to amend the constitution to outlaw the manufacture and sale of alcoholic beverages.
I suspect we can expect the same epic results if they can do the same with guns. Think
MACS Offline
#55 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Brewha, because hand grenades are explody.

Dam big difference between grenades and the most popular rifle type in the country, which still only accounts for a part of the 3% of firearm fatalities attributed to rifles in 2020, in spite of its demonization due to its scary appearance


Facts and logic are lost on some people, buddy. They would rather not research anything, they just run with what the media tells them. It's easier.
CelticBomber Offline
#56 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
I heard Dictionary.com is run by commies. Your trusted source for constitutional education? LOL



^ It was at this moment I realized I owed the special needs community an apology. Is it still abuse if I didn't know he's handicapped?
Brewha Offline
#57 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Now, now. Sarcasm doesn't become you

Here I thought it was my strong suit.

But I think I make a fair point: where to draw the line.
Brewha Offline
#58 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Facts and logic are lost on some people, buddy. They would rather not research anything, they just run with what the media tells them. It's easier.

Dude, stick with YouTube.

Facts and logic are not your strong suit….
Sunoverbeach Offline
#59 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Here I thought it was my strong suit.

But I think I make a fair point: where to draw the line.

Sure, and to do so, you ridiculously parody 2a supporters to appear as lunatics who want the most destruction possible in a single attack by comparing AR-15s to frags and nukes.

If I find myself in a situation where I need to keep myself and/or my family alive, I want the most accurate and effective means of getting shots on target at my disposal. I do not want to toss a grenade and send shrapnel flying in every direction. That doesn't afford the best chance at survival for the aforementioned self and family. Pistols are generally not as accurate as a rifle.

Honestly, I don't even see a need for a fully automatic weapon unless we're in the midst of the zombie apocalypse. Maybe not even then, because only the head shots are effective in the zombie apocalypse.

What gun control proponents tend to "forget" is that the line has been drawn. Stop trying to redraw the line.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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What do you call an octopus with one eye?
An octopus.
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Dude, stick with YouTube.

Facts and logic are not your strong suit….


Says you. I give zero f---s what you think. You're a moron.
CelticBomber Offline
#62 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
What do you call an octopus with one eye?
An octopus.



Wrong! His name is Bob and he's a lovely octopus. Had dinner with him just last week. Ofcourse none of us would dream of pointing out the loss of his eye. He's a vet you know...

Geez Memorial Day was only two days ago and SOB is already making fun of vets. Angry
Brewha Offline
#63 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Sure, and to do so, you ridiculously parody 2a supporters to appear as lunatics who want the most destruction possible in a single attack by comparing AR-15s to frags and nukes.

If I find myself in a situation where I need to keep myself and/or my family alive, I want the most accurate and effective means of getting shots on target at my disposal. I do not want to toss a grenade and send shrapnel flying in every direction. That doesn't afford the best chance at survival for the aforementioned self and family. Pistols are generally not as accurate as a rifle.

Honestly, I don't even see a need for a fully automatic weapon unless we're in the midst of the zombie apocalypse. Maybe not even then, because only the head shots are effective in the zombie apocalypse.

What gun control proponents tend to "forget" is that the line has been drawn. Stop trying to redraw the line.


Ah, but the line does need to be redrawn.
Some will say that we need to ban all laws regulating any type of gun.
Some will say more regulations
But most everybody wants some kinda change.

I don't agree with your position on the AR-15 because it is over kill. But since we are going down that path, I have a question:

If a road raging person try's to hit me with their car (vehicular homicide) should I not be able to protect myself with the best means of stopping them at my disposal?
Yes - a Bazooka.
One shot, safe for me, and it protects my family.

So why can't I buy a bazooka?

Have you seen how crazy people drive?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#64 Posted:
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So neither side is happy? That's successful negotiation. IMO, while not speaking for the entire gun rights community, we can manage with what's currently available federally. I fully welcome states and local governments to F off though. Restriction isn't doing anything for NY nor Chicago

In what way is the AR-15 overkill exactly?
Size and power of the round? Several handgun calibers are larger and do more damage, not to mention rifles.
Rate of fire? Semi automatic means one trigger pull, one bullet comes out, just like 90% of the firearms out there.
Or are you going with the "high capacity magazine" thing? AR15 again is not the only platform capable of 30rnd mags or more.

So continue to attack the platform you demonstrate having no real knowledge of. The one that, again, was responsible for only a piece of the 3% of firearm deaths in 2020. The one that, until the Pulse nightclub and Vegas incidents, wasn't even part of the worst mass murder in US history. That would be 9mm handguns at Va Tech FYI.

The bazooka thing is just stupid. A) You're responsible for every round that leaves the barrel and whatever damage it causes. B) Tactically moronic to blow up a heavy vehicle moving towards you at speed because of the explosion, the shrapnel, and the now flaming mass of metal that is still moving towards you and your family. Find cover ya dumbazz.

Your energy would be better served determining how to deal with the mental health issue that leads to this chit as opposed to trying to disarm gun owners, the vast majority of which are responsible with their weapons. Proof? Almost 400 million guns in the US, 40 million sold in 2020. 45k deaths in 2020. Leave the law abiding people alone
CelticBomber Offline
#65 Posted:
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Not sure what is more futile. Expecting my wife to have an answer when I ask her what she wants for dinner or these threads.

Sharks with frickin' laser beams people. I want one.

Don't mind me I'm just here to amuse myself.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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I don't disagree, but this topic triggers me
Stogie1020 Offline
#67 Posted:
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Millions of guns in the US must be utter rubbish. They just sit there and never kill anyone.
Brewha Offline
#68 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
So neither side is happy? That's successful negotiation. IMO, while not speaking for the entire gun rights community, we can manage with what's currently available federally. I fully welcome states and local governments to F off though. Restriction isn't doing anything for NY nor Chicago

In what way is the AR-15 overkill exactly?
Size and power of the round? Several handgun calibers are larger and do more damage, not to mention rifles.
Rate of fire? Semi automatic means one trigger pull, one bullet comes out, just like 90% of the firearms out there.
Or are you going with the "high capacity magazine" thing? AR15 again is not the only platform capable of 30rnd mags or more.

So continue to attack the platform you demonstrate having no real knowledge of. The one that, again, was responsible for only a piece of the 3% of firearm deaths in 2020. The one that, until the Pulse nightclub and Vegas incidents, wasn't even part of the worst mass murder in US history. That would be 9mm handguns at Va Tech FYI.

The bazooka thing is just stupid. A) You're responsible for every round that leaves the barrel and whatever damage it causes. B) Tactically moronic to blow up a heavy vehicle moving towards you at speed because of the explosion, the shrapnel, and the now flaming mass of metal that is still moving towards you and your family. Find cover ya dumbazz.

Your energy would be better served determining how to deal with the mental health issue that leads to this chit as opposed to trying to disarm gun owners, the vast majority of which are responsible with their weapons. Proof? Almost 400 million guns in the US, 40 million sold in 2020. 45k deaths in 2020. Leave the law abiding people alone



If you are looking for agreement that disallowing civilians to have high capacity semi-automatic guns saves lives, you have a lot of work to do. Other countries have great success with this. Uvalde is pure American exceptionalism.

A rifle that fires 45 rounds per minute, or much more with a bump stock, and can have 30+ round in the magazine is excessive in terms of civilian self defense. Unless of course self defense also means fighting a war. Does it? Bet you think it does.

The bazooka theory shows that insisting that weapons are never the issues, it is the criminal intent is fallacious. But it helps sell what many American want - any kind of weapon for anyone any time. Are you saying you could not reasonably handle a bazooka? No NRA patch for you!



Americans honestly don't care if allowing access to any level of truly dangerous weapons winds up killing people.

If a Bunch of kids get killed because some other kid decided to pop down to the store and arm himself like Rambo - well that is a fair price so that others to have their toys. And the security (?) of a genuine big boy bang bang.

Now tell me why one would "need" an AR-15.
seriously, aside from it's cool, fun or I am so scared that I think I need the best and badest to protect myself - what is the need?

Yes - I know it is already worth the risk and sacrifice of others.
We are Americans.

But why does anyone actually need these effin things?
Stogie1020 Offline
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Brewha, why does anyone "need" a lot of things that can be dangerous? Instead of being hyperbolic with bazookas let's be real and precise.

Here's a perfect example: Cars that go over 55 mph.

You don't need to go faster. Going faster leads to more deaths.

We should outlaw all sportscars, motorcycles, and prohibit any motor vehicle from travelling faster than 55 mph.

Litterally thousands of people each year die from motor vehicle accidents and in many of those accidents, speed is a factor. It will save lives to ban all personal travel over 55mph.

You good with that?
Brewha Offline
#70 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Brewha, why does anyone "need" a lot of things that can be dangerous? Instead of being hyperbolic with bazookas let's be real and precise.

Here's a perfect example: Cars that go over 55 mph.

You don't need to go faster. Going faster leads to more deaths.

We should outlaw all sportscars, motorcycles, and prohibit any motor vehicle from travelling faster than 55 mph.

Litterally thousands of people each year die from motor vehicle accidents and in many of those accidents, speed is a factor. It will save lives to ban all personal travel over 55mph.

You good with that?

No.

You may see guns and cars as the same thing. It is a false equivalence. I do not.

Cars have a clear benefit. Civilian guns not so much. Does a gun allow you to work? Will it save you if you need a quick ride to a hospital - or just need to pick up your kids?

All tools have a risk/benefit ratio. So you may have a hammer or steak knife, but not a machine gun or bazooka.

Guns largely have a singular purpose.

The reason we do not have bazookas is the risk/benefit ratio.

What is the benefit of the AR-15 with 30 rounds?

Do you know?
Stogie1020 Offline
#71 Posted:
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Ahhh, there it is.

Since you don't PERSONALLY value it, it is therefore of no value to society, other individuals, etc.
delta1 Offline
#72 Posted:
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here's an article about effectiveness of gun controls laws...seems the restrictions on large capacity magazines can reduce the number of fatalities...otherwise, not so much...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/27/what-research-shows-effectiveness-gun-control-laws
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Ahhh, there it is.

Since you don't PERSONALLY value it, it is therefore of no value to society, other individuals, etc.

Oh, don’t chicken out - tell us the value.

You can’t think of a real one either, can you?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#74 Posted:
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Delta, I'll see your article stating the LCM restriction is effective at reducing casualties in mass shootings which by the way only accounted for a few hundred deaths out of the firearm death total, and raise you an article stating that the studies these arguments are based on are not well researched.

https://reason.com/video/2022/03/31/do-studies-show-gun-control-works-no/

I realize stating it the way I did sounds callous, but mass shootings, as horrific as they are, do not make up the bulk of the problem. I'm not opposed to reducing deaths in the country. I'm opposed to, say hypothetically, magazines restricted, then when that doesn't work, ban the AR-15s, then when that doesn't work, ban semi-automatics, then when that doesn't work, ban everything. This feels very much like the end goal, and it's why people fight every step.

I've read several times now where someone should not have been allowed to purchase a weapon, yet is able to due to a lack of reporting to the right agency. Enforce the laws that are already on the books before claiming they don't work.
HockeyDad Offline
#75 Posted:
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In California we are at the “ban semi-automatics” step.

In 2007 we passed a law that requires gun manufacturers to adopt microstamping technology on new types of handguns introduced in the state. No new models of handguns have been introduced since 2007.
Brewha Offline
#76 Posted:
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Here is Texas you can buy anything you want - no background check. It’s called a private sale - just go to any guns show (they got ‘em all the time) and look for one of the private sellers.

Extra handy if you got a felony problem or are cray-cray.

God bless Texas.





Oh, and them kiddos too…








Ya know, guns is just like cars…
But without the license.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#77 Posted:
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Been to a gun show, Brewha? Or were you unable to pass due to the massive piles of an unlimited variety of weapons waiting to be unloaded by unscrupulous people?

Again the majority of people are utilizing private sale in a responsible manner. The most common way a criminal gets a gun is to steal it
ZRX1200 Offline
#78 Posted:
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Is it magically legal for a felon to buy at a gun show?

Laws don’t stop evil bro.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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How do you make antifreeze?
You take away her blanket.
HockeyDad Offline
#80 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Here is Texas you can buy anything you want - no background check. It’s called a private sale - just go to any guns show (they got ‘em all the time) and look for one of the private sellers.


That is illegal in California. All you have to do is check our results. Hasn’t been a single murder since we passed that.
frankj1 Offline
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make cancer illegal
CelticBomber Offline
#82 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Oh, don’t chicken out - tell us the value
You can’t think of a real one either, can you?


I can easily tell you the value in having an AR. They're safer for the average person to use over any handgun. They are easier to handle, be accurate with and a lot harder to shoot yourself accidentally with. Took me longer to type this than it did to think of it.
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I bet few know Brewha is a gun owner.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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CelticBomber wrote:
I can easily tell you the value in having an AR. They're safer for the average person to use over any handgun. They are easier to handle, be accurate with and a lot harder to shoot yourself accidentally with. Took me longer to type this than it did to think of it.

There ya go thinking again. Freak!
Stogie1020 Offline
#85 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Oh, don’t chicken out - tell us the value.

You can’t think of a real one either, can you?

Brewha,

The answer is that OF COURSE there is value in it.

All of your examples of car usage are variations of the car driving for reasons YOU approve of. I may live in NY city and not own a car and therefore assign no positive value to having a car, let alone one that can travel at high speeds (which you conveniently ignored). Does that mean they should be banned because I don't value them?

Here's a little secret about living in this country: Your values aren't the only ones that matter. You don't get to impose them on me anymore than I can tell you that you can't own a car that goes over 55mph simply because I see no value in that (not even dealing with the whole constitutional guarantees issues of the 2A).

What value does an AR-15 have? It's light, has low recoil, is easily operated by small and large framed people, is highly customizable, can be used for home defense/protection, sporting purposes, hunting, competitions, etc. Could I use a different gun? Sure. And you could ride your bicycle to work, to school, to the store instead of driving a car. FAR fewer fatalities involving bike v. bike collisions.

Let's ban cars.
MACS Offline
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Cars kill more people than AR-15's. By a YUGE margin, too.
Brewha Offline
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Been to a gun show, Brewha? Or were you unable to pass due to the massive piles of an unlimited variety of weapons waiting to be unloaded by unscrupulous people?

Again the majority of people are utilizing private sale in a responsible manner. The most common way a criminal gets a gun is to steal it

Many times. And we own many guns.
Stogie1020 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I bet few know Brewha is a gun owner.

While it pleases me to know that he chooses to exercise his constitutional right to own a gun, I am still troubled by the fact that he is using his personal value system to try to affect my decisions. Maybe Brewha owns guns that only hold 5 rounds, and therefore does not see any value in a 10, 20 or 30 round magazine. Maybe Brewha is a master sharpshooter and feels supremely confident in his ability to deal with any threat completely and decisively with only five rounds. Good for him. He is the only "him".

I am a really good shot with a pistol. I have pointed a pistol (and other various assorted weapons) at people many times while in LE. Luckily, my amazing smile and infectious charm (and sometimes a Belgian Malinois) allowed me to end every one of those encounters without the hammer falling. However, and I think anyone who has had to use a gun in anger will agree, EVERY SINGLE TIME I focused on the front sight and switched off the safety, I wished I had a truck full of loaded magazines right behind me. If I could have figured out how to carry 15 1000 round magazines, I would have. Minigun with a backpack hopper? You bet.

The notion that what is right for Brewha or me HAS to be right for everyone is silly. Who gets to decide? If my mother gets to choose the top speed of all cars based on her use of cars, you better leave for work early, cause you are not going more than 40 mph. Ever.

Liberty is being able to make decisions that imact you in a way that works for you. Our laws balance the liberty scale with personal responsibility. Instead of reducing our liberties, let's start moving back toward a world of greater personal responsibility.
Brewha Offline
#89 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Brewha,

The answer is that OF COURSE there is value in it.

All of your examples of car usage are variations of the car driving for reasons YOU approve of. I may live in NY city and not own a car and therefore assign no positive value to having a car, let alone one that can travel at high speeds (which you conveniently ignored). Does that mean they should be banned because I don't value them?

Cars have clear benefit to society.
AR-15, not so much. In fact none that I can see.

Stogie1020 wrote:

Here's a little secret about living in this country: Your values aren't the only ones that matter. You don't get to impose them on me anymore than I can tell you that you can't own a car that goes over 55mph simply because I see no value in that (not even dealing with the whole constitutional guarantees issues of the 2A).

Unless it is an abortion law - right?
Well maybe I think AR-15 are killing school kids and too much of a liability to be a toy. Besides there is no real reason to have them.

Stogie1020 wrote:

What value does an AR-15 have? It's light, has low recoil, is easily operated by small and large framed people, is highly customizable, can be used for home defense/protection, sporting purposes, hunting, competitions, etc. Could I use a different gun? Sure. And you could ride your bicycle to work, to school, to the store instead of driving a car. FAR fewer fatalities involving bike v. bike collisions.

Let's ban cars.


Right, right; Guns=Cars.
So shouldn't gun users be licensed, just like car users?
Brewha Offline
#90 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
While it pleases me to know that he chooses to exercise his constitutional right to own a gun, I am still troubled by the fact that he is using his personal value system to try to affect my decisions. Maybe Brewha owns guns that only hold 5 rounds, and therefore does not see any value in a 10, 20 or 30 round magazine. Maybe Brewha is a master sharpshooter and feels supremely confident in his ability to deal with any threat completely and decisively with only five rounds. Good for him. He is the only "him".

I am a really good shot with a pistol. I have pointed a pistol (and other various assorted weapons) at people many times while in LE. Luckily, my amazing smile and infectious charm (and sometimes a Belgian Malinois) allowed me to end every one of those encounters without the hammer falling. However, and I think anyone who has had to use a gun in anger will agree, EVERY SINGLE TIME I focused on the front sight and switched off the safety, I wished I had a truck full of loaded magazines right behind me. If I could have figured out how to carry 15 1000 round magazines, I would have. Minigun with a backpack hopper? You bet.

The notion that what is right for Brewha or me HAS to be right for everyone is silly. Who gets to decide? If my mother gets to choose the top speed of all cars based on her use of cars, you better leave for work early, cause you are not going more than 40 mph. Ever.

Liberty is being able to make decisions that imact you in a way that works for you. Our laws balance the liberty scale with personal responsibility. Instead of reducing our liberties, let's start moving back toward a world of greater personal responsibility.

This is about what is safe for society, not personal views.

And yes - rights and freedoms have limits in the face of public safety. Not to mention domestics tranquility...
Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
Cars kill more people than AR-15's. By a YUGE margin, too.



And the capital of Nebraska is Lincoln!


Applause
Stogie1020 Offline
#92 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Cars have clear benefit to society.
AR-15, not so much. In fact none that I can see.


Unless it is an abortion law - right?
Well maybe I think AR-15 are killing school kids and too much of a liability to be a toy. Besides there is no real reason to have them.



Right, right; Guns=Cars.
So shouldn't gun users be licensed, just like car users?


Let's break tis down, a lot to unpack here...

Brewha wrote:
Cars have clear benefit to society.
AR-15, not so much. In fact none that I can see.


OK, so one of the leading causes of pollution, climate change and death (by vehicle accident) in the US has no downside, right? Because YOU see value in them, it's ok to ignore the negative impacts they have. Once again, you use your personal belief system "none that I can see" to try to impose on a constitutional right. Not going to work this week or next week.


Brewha wrote:
Unless it is an abortion law - right?
Well maybe I think AR-15 are killing school kids and too much of a liability to be a toy. Besides there is no real reason to have them.


Help me find the spot in the constitution that spells out the right to an abortion? Which ammendment was that? I did a word search and, not suprisingly, the word "abortion" isn't there. Anywhere. I see that the second ammendmnet spells out a right very specific to guns, though. I appreciate your consistency in injecting your personal belief once again with "there is no real reason to have them..." Tell that to this lady: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/home-invader-fatally-shot-florida-pregnant-woman-ar-15-n1076026 or anyone who has ever used an AR-15 to stop something bad from happening.

Brewha wrote:
Right, right; Guns=Cars.
So shouldn't gun users be licensed, just like car users?


Once again, I searched the constitution for "automobile or car or drive" and found no specifically delineated right afforded to citizens regarding driving. Therefore, States are free to regualte it as they each see fit. Additionally, do you really believe that having some requirement for a "minimum standard" test to own a firearm would increase safety? Has licensing drivers caused an end to speeding, red light running, crashes, etc.?

The problem most 2A propenents have with proposed restrictions on guns (versus addressing real, difficult causes like mental health, social media, lack of parenting, lack of morals, etc.) is that we know they won't work, and as soon as everyone agrees that 30 round magazines are too big and only 20 rounds are allowed, some nutjob will shoot up a bunch of people with a 20 round magazine. Then you will cry out that the solution is to ban 20 round magazines, and we will be down to 10 rounders. Lather rinse and repeat. Eventually, we will have a rediculous web of dumb laws that do nothing to prevent any violence whatsoever. Please see Exhibit A: California.
RayR Offline
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CelticBomber wrote:
^ It was at this moment I realized I owed the special needs community an apology. Is it still abuse if I didn't know he's handicapped?


Now yer just being nasty. You asked me to troll you more, I've been trying but you don't seem to appreciate when I'm doing it. BigGrin

"Progressives did not like the antiquated thinking that saw the Constitution as a barrier to government expansion. The "living Constitution" was born. That benign-sounding phrase (coined later) was conjured up to justify changing the Constitution, without formal amendment, from a limit on power to a blank check. What was impermissible to the federal government by an earlier interpretation became permissible once the Constitution was construed as a evolving document. But by that philosophy, the Constitution is no limit on government power at all. A constitutional government that defines its own powers is a contradiction in terms." — Sheldon Richman


"When your child has matured sufficiently to understand how the judicial system works, set a bedtime for him and then send him to bed an hour early. When he tearfully accuses you of breaking the rules, explain that you made the rules and you can interpret them in any way that seems appropriate to you, according to changing conditions. This will prepare him for the Supreme Court's concept of the US Constitution as a 'living document'." — The Late Joseph Sobran


"Much of the Constitution is remarkably simple and straightforward - certainly as compared to the convoluted reasoning of judges and law professors discussing what is called 'Constitutional law,' much of which has no basis in that document ... The real question [for judicial nominees] is whether that nominee will follow the law or succumb to the lure of 'a living constitution,' 'evolving standards' and other lofty words meaning judicial power to reshape the law to suit their own personal preferences." — Thomas Sowell


“Saying the Constitution is a living document is the same as saying we don’t have a Constitution.” – The Late Dr. Walter E. Williams
MACS Offline
#94 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,769
Brewha wrote:
This is about what is safe for society, not personal views.

And yes - rights and freedoms have limits in the face of public safety. Not to mention domestics tranquility...


That's how we got everyone to stop doing drugs... we made them illegal, so now nobody does drugs because they're not safe for society. Ya know?

Somebody should limit your freedom to post such stupidity.
Brewha Offline
#95 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,167
Stogie1020 wrote:
Let's break tis down, a lot to unpack here...



OK, so one of the leading causes of pollution, climate change and death (by vehicle accident) in the US has no downside, right? Because YOU see value in them, it's ok to ignore the negative impacts they have. Once again, you use your personal belief system "none that I can see" to try to impose on a constitutional right. Not going to work this week or next week.




Help me find the spot in the constitution that spells out the right to an abortion? Which ammendment was that? I did a word search and, not suprisingly, the word "abortion" isn't there. Anywhere. I see that the second ammendmnet spells out a right very specific to guns, though. I appreciate your consistency in injecting your personal belief once again with "there is no real reason to have them..." Tell that to this lady: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/home-invader-fatally-shot-florida-pregnant-woman-ar-15-n1076026 or anyone who has ever used an AR-15 to stop something bad from happening.



Once again, I searched the constitution for "automobile or car or drive" and found no specifically delineated right afforded to citizens regarding driving. Therefore, States are free to regualte it as they each see fit. Additionally, do you really believe that having some requirement for a "minimum standard" test to own a firearm would increase safety? Has licensing drivers caused an end to speeding, red light running, crashes, etc.?

The problem most 2A propenents have with proposed restrictions on guns (versus addressing real, difficult causes like mental health, social media, lack of parenting, lack of morals, etc.) is that we know they won't work, and as soon as everyone agrees that 30 round magazines are too big and only 20 rounds are allowed, some nutjob will shoot up a bunch of people with a 20 round magazine. Then you will cry out that the solution is to ban 20 round magazines, and we will be down to 10 rounders. Lather rinse and repeat. Eventually, we will have a rediculous web of dumb laws that do nothing to prevent any violence whatsoever. Please see Exhibit A: California.


Well I think I understand your views, and you have a right to them. And no, I do not agree.

Many states have limits on the size a magazines for pistols and so on. Many country's (Australia) have laws that help keep people safer. But there is no part of that you agree with, I'm sure.



I see your views as irresponsible. You fail to acknowledge the danger of these weapons and rationalize it away. "The problem with mass shooting is everything except the guns".

This all just supports the case that Americans simply don't care if people die from the glut of easy to attain guns that are more fire power than is reasonably needed by any civilian.

Because after all, when a shooting occurs guns are never the problem.
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#96 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2017
Posts: 14,665
Brew, you're all over the map like an epileptic honeybee. Bazooka desire, gun running gun shows, useless AR-15s....

Value of an AR was clearly relayed to you. Gangbangers aren't loading up at gun shows. It's like you're flipping through a deck of flash cards with random gun control talking points.

Public safety? Est 500k-2.8m defensive uses of firearms. That's a lot of public, and you're attacking the smallest fraction of firearm deaths. You want to save the public? Stop drug overdoses. Stop unintentional poisoning. Stop maniacs from walking the streets. I'm open to ideas
Brewha Offline
#97 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,167
Sunoverbeach wrote:
Brew, you're all over the map like an epileptic honeybee. Bazooka desire, gun running gun shows, useless AR-15s....

Value of an AR was clearly relayed to you. Gangbangers aren't loading up at gun shows. It's like you're flipping through a deck of flash cards with random gun control talking points.

Public safety? Est 500k-2.8m defensive uses of firearms. That's a lot of public, and you're attacking the smallest fraction of firearm deaths. You want to save the public? Stop drug overdoses. Stop unintentional poisoning. Stop maniacs from walking the streets. I'm open to ideas

The point of the Bazooka was that we DO need limits to civilian arms - ok?

Throwing every social malty in to the mix is just and attempt to draw attention away from the problems:
Too easy access to guns.
Too much fire power available.

We already have limits on such things. But not enough.

If Uvalde doesn't make you consider it, I sure I won't be able to.







Now someone is going to float the idea that "Laws don't stop crime" again.
So riddle me this - why have laws at all?
DrafterX Offline
#98 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,546
To harass da black peoples..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#99 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,167
Don't help them....
Sunoverbeach Offline
#100 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2017
Posts: 14,665
You're right. You won't.

Violent crime is on the rise in Australia. I bet the increased victims aren't feeling safer. Go ahead and throw Britain out there. Violent crime also rising and they even have knife control now
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