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Brewha Offline
#101 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
You're right. You won't.

Violent crime is on the rise in Australia. I bet the increased victims aren't feeling safer. Go ahead and throw Britain out there. Violent crime also rising and they even have knife control now


So we should send them arms?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#102 Posted:
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No need to be obtuse.
Brewha wrote:
Many country's (Australia) have laws that help keep people safer.

Your statement is inaccurate
Brewha Offline
#103 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:

Your statement is inaccurate


You're opinion is useless without a compelling YouTube opinion piece.
(ok, just kidding)




You don't think gun laws make people safer?

Now that's a thunderbolt out of a clear sky....
RayR Offline
#104 Posted:
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Spreading disinformation again...eh Brewha?

The homicide rate is up in Australia.

Main method of homicide..."That's not a knife, this is a knife!"

"The most common cause of death for homicide victims was a stab wound: this accounted for 37% of deaths. This was followed by blunt force (19%) and gunshot wounds (13%). Other causes of death included strangulation, shaking, burns and poisoning."

https://theconversation.com/homicide-is-on-the-rise-in-australia-should-we-be-concerned-178320

MACS Offline
#105 Posted:
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Drug laws made people do less drugs, right? Am I right?!!?

Yeah, the only gun law that will make people safer is to follow the 2nd amendment to the letter.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Meaning I can have a gun, and I can carry it and I can defend myself with it... because when you need the cops right now, they're only 15 minutes away.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/concealed-carry/
Brewha Offline
#106 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Drug laws made people do less drugs, right? Am I right?!!?

Yeah, the only gun law that will make people safer is to follow the 2nd amendment to the letter.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Meaning I can have a gun, and I can carry it and I can defend myself with it... because when you need the cops right now, they're only 15 minutes away.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/concealed-carry/


MACS, you got one right! Atta-boy!
Yes, drug laws deter drug use (personal experience here) and just think of all the people in the joint that can’t do drugs. And every high school kid is free to sell baseball cards but not fentanyl - for extra money.

So one in a row.

Do you think the law against carrying in a bar is a bad idea? Think if all the cowboys had their pistols whilst getting drunk would make us safer? Well - you might think that.

Where we do have laws at least we can get some of the bad guys in the jail house. Where they do no crime to us.
Now tell me you don’t believe in the laws that puts criminals behind bars.

So yeah, we have a law that says you can’t have a bazooka. Which is in fact are “arms”. Bad law too right?
ZRX1200 Offline
#107 Posted:
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Yes, all guns laws are unconstitutional.

Now let’s talk about how we enforce responsibility.
RayR Offline
#108 Posted:
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I always wanted a bazooka. Sad
Brewha Offline
#109 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes, all guns laws are unconstitutional.

Now let’s talk about how we enforce responsibility.

You start - can’t wait…
Sunoverbeach Offline
#110 Posted:
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What did Batman say to Robin when they got to the Batmobile?
Get in the Batmobile.
RayR Offline
#111 Posted:
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SOB...your jokes lately are comically irresponsible.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#112 Posted:
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Mebbe
RayR Offline
#113 Posted:
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I think the stuff Brewha spews is irresponsible. What do you think?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#114 Posted:
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He's entitled to his opinion. I just happen to disagree with it on this topic
Brewha Offline
#115 Posted:
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True - the the silver lining is being able to have a civil discourse about things.

People will never agree on everything. 100 years form now they will be arguing with passion about abortion. So it goes.





Oddly though, most seem to have the same opinion of Ray....
Stogie1020 Offline
#116 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes, all guns laws are unconstitutional.

Now let’s talk about how we enforce responsibility.


Z, you bring up a critical distinction that bears inclusion in the discussion of root causes of this violence.

"Enforcing responsibility"

The distinction as I see it is that "enforcement" is the role of the government, but only in so far as the laws that exists, not general moral values like "responsibility." Enforcement is pretty cut and dry: law/rule exists, you break it you are punished accordingly.

"Responsibility" is up to society to enforce (sometimes using social service tools created by gov't). The real issue I was pointing out is that as a society we have failed in our dutues within the last 40-50 years. I don't know all of the "why", but I see (1) a general moral decay, (2) a personal-isolationist mentatilty, (3) general increase in selfishness and ease with which that is projected, and (4) the discouragement of the use of "shame" in society as a motivating factor.

Speaking to these four points:

1. I am not a reigious fanatic (proud and practicing Jew though) but I sincerely believe that JudeoChristian teachings are an excellent vessel to impart the core concept of morality. Good v. Evil, kindness v. hate, giving v. taking. Our country has seen a marked decline in religious participation, especially amongst younger people, and as a result, many kids no longer get a chance to learn the lessons of morality outside the home. If they are not taugh and re-enforced inside the home, the kids really are left without a fundamental basis for why stealing is bad, hurting other a little is bad, cheating is bad, etc. Especially when pop culture influences tell them to do the wrong things. What framework other than organized religion can be used to impart a sense of morality into people? Where does Morality itself originate from if not out of a sense of duty to a larger presence (society, God, etc.)?

2. We don't interact with people like we used to. Litterally. Right here, I am typing this to a person I have never met, never seen wear a thong on a vherf, never smoked a cigar with, etc. I spend a portion of the time that I used to actually interact with fewer people virtually interacting with more people. As a result, I am teaching myself different social skills that don't always translate to the real world. Case in point (a frivilous one but a good example) would be a young kid who, while actually speaking to a peer, verbally speaks out loud common online vernacular like "LOL", "JK" or "OMG"... It's a very basic example of th eapplication of social and communication skills being ported fromthe web to the real world. In more significant skills, these ports don't work. If when I get a little stressed out I go play COD to let off steam, what am I thinking about doing when I get REALLY stressed out?

3. We are becoming much more selfish. IMO, this is partially a result of #2 above, but we also spend more time thinking about ourselves now, since we interact with fewer people, no longer get a real, personal sense of how other people actually feel, and choose to not interact simple because it's easier. We also feel entitled because Social Media shows us moment-in-time snapshots of other people's lives that we think we should also have. From an early age, parents aren't saying "no" enough, so when it's finally said to a teenager, they recoil in horror as being denied that which they think they deserve (but often don't).

4. We don't shame anymore, and that's a shame. The fact tha twe don't chastize people who make bad decisions is terrible for the learning process regarding how to make decisions. Teenage pregnance used to be embarassing, now there are shows on TLC sensationalizing it. Being a criminal used to be shameful for the family of the criminal, now they are celebrities who sue the police to try to get millions. Using drugs used to be shameful, now NYC is telling addicts tha tusing drugs is empowering, just be clean about it.

Here's the thing... None of these are easy fixes. We didn't stray way off course quickly, and we wont wander back on to the right (IMO) course quickly. Fundamentally, as a society, we need to figure out how to reward those who deserve it and really marginalize those who subvert society. In other words, there has to be a REASON to work at this, and I have no idea what that will be.

/Rant
Brewha Offline
#117 Posted:
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It is a fine idea that we need to work on mental and moral health - no doubt.

But this is a truism that pull attention away from the gun control issue.

Yes, I know that may will never see a reason to restrict ownership or access for any type of gun or magazine. But when almost anyone can have unrestricted access to assault grade weapons we all embrace a truly needless risk.

There was a time when self protection meant a revolver or a pump shotgun. This seems entirely reasonable to me.

But 30+ rounds at 45 rounds per minute with a fast reload?
Sorry guys - I think that is crazy.

Sunoverbeach Offline
#118 Posted:
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So if I become one of those wicked fast competitors with a lever action rifle, it's all good?

You know what? It's Friday. I'm tired. Let's just go with if drawing attention away from the intended topic is an issue, let's talk about how this is actually a thread asking about public response to Kerr/Kapker vs Kaepernick/James
ZRX1200 Offline
#119 Posted:
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Right Brewha wouldn’t want to pull attention away from the only part you’re allowed to look at. Hate for you to not get to sit at that table you love so much.

When your side flatly ignores reality and hard data it’s a just cause, when the other side does they don’t deserve a voice or a vote. Good thing this attitude doesn’t feed extremism……this is EXACTLY why there is NO middle ground and there is NO compromise.
MACS Offline
#120 Posted:
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What, exactly, is an "assault grade" weapon?

All weapons are made to "assault", right? What makes one scarier than another?

Rhetorical questions, of course. The fact that the particular weapon described with that term has killed the least amount of people means nothing to them. The media tells them what to think... and reason and logic goes right out the freakin' window.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#121 Posted:
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It's the rails. Those deadly deadly Picatinny rails.

How did the little girl make the cake?
With ingredients.
ZRX1200 Offline
#122 Posted:
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I’m an MLOK kinda guy. Quad rails are for larpers and people who pretend to be Fudds but only enough to be just retro enough to be differently cool. The types of guys who only drink sour fruit beers and seltzers, and like having their salads tossed.
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#123 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’m an MLOK kinda guy. Quad rails are for larpers and people who pretend to be Fudds but only enough to be just retro enough to be differently cool. The types of guys who only drink sour fruit beers and seltzers, and like having their salads tossed.


Soooo... pretty much everyone here?

Don't make me go into the what beer are you drink thread to start naming names...
MACS Offline
#124 Posted:
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Here is an interesting take. Upfront, honest and refreshing...

Lies told by BOTH sides in the 2A argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a4Iazw9J3k
bgz Offline
#125 Posted:
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Good video MACS.
Brewha Offline
#126 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
So if I become one of those wicked fast competitors with a lever action rifle, it's all good?

You know what? It's Friday. I'm tired. Let's just go with if drawing attention away from the intended topic is an issue, let's talk about how this is actually a thread asking about public response to Kerr/Kapker vs Kaepernick/James

Funnily, I got an image of you taking out a high school through your mastery of the Ginsu Knife.....
never mind.

I agree we don't see this the same way. And again, I think revolvers and shot guns are reasonable for self defense. My line is at the 18 year old, too many bullets, too quickly area.
Brewha Offline
#127 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Right Brewha wouldn’t want to pull attention away from the only part you’re allowed to look at. Hate for you to not get to sit at that table you love so much.

When your side flatly ignores reality and hard data it’s a just cause, when the other side does they don’t deserve a voice or a vote. Good thing this attitude doesn’t feed extremism……this is EXACTLY why there is NO middle ground and there is NO compromise.

Oh, there is a vast and wide middle ground.

Maybe not for you....
Brewha Offline
#128 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’m an MLOK kinda guy. Quad rails are for larpers and people who pretend to be Fudds but only enough to be just retro enough to be differently cool. The types of guys who only drink sour fruit beers and seltzers, and like having their salads tossed.



...is that a euphemism?
Brewha Offline
#129 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Here is an interesting take. Upfront, honest and refreshing...

Lies told by BOTH sides in the 2A argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a4Iazw9J3k

Good video
RayR Offline
#130 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Now someone is going to float the idea that "Laws don't stop crime" again.
So riddle me this - why have laws at all?


We got more laws than you can shake a stick at. So many that even an otherwise respectable (Ahem!), law-abiding citizen like yourself has broken your fair share without knowing it.

I heard on the radio today the wicked Gubernor Houchol of NY crowing like a Satanic banshee about how she just signed into law some more gun control laws. I guess we have no worries now about crazy people getting AR15's. Ya, sure. Brick wall
Sunoverbeach Offline
#131 Posted:
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What is small, grey, and triangular?
The shadow of a small triangle.
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