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GOP Rep. Boebert: ‘I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk’
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Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), who faces a primary election Tuesday, says she is “tired” of the U.S. separation of church and state, a long-standing concept stemming from a “stinking letter” penned by one of the Founding Fathers.

Speaking at a religious service Sunday in Colorado, she told worshipers: “The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our Founding Fathers intended it.”

She added: “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does.” Her comments were first reported by the Denver Post.

The Constitution’s First Amendment, which states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” has been widely interpreted to mean the separation of church and state — although the phrase is not explicitly used.


Gwen Calais-Haase, a political scientist at Harvard University, told The Washington Post that Boebert’s interpretation of the Constitution was “false, misleading and dangerous.” Calais-Haase said she was “extremely worried about the environment of misinformation that extremist politicians take advantage of for their own gains.”

Steven K. Green, a professor of law and affiliated professor of history and religious studies at Willamette University, agreed, saying, “Rep. Boebert is wrong on both matters.”

“While the phrase separation of church and state does not appear verbatim in the Constitution, neither do many accepted constitutional principles such as separation of powers, judicial review, executive privilege, or the right to marry and parental rights, no doubt rights that Rep. Boebert cherishes,” wrote Green, the author of “Separating Church and State: A History.”

Michael Steele, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee, tweeted in reaction to Boebert’s comment a line from the Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion.”

“I can’t. Not today,” Steele wrote.

The “stinking letter” that Boebert mentioned is apparently an 1802 missive sent from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association. Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and a leading advocate of including a bill of rights in the Constitution, wrote in explaining the First Amendment: “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.”

The Supreme Court has since cited Jefferson’s letter in key cases, according to the Freedom Forum Institute, an advocacy group that works to raise awareness of First Amendment rights. The calls for a separation between church and state intensified in the 1800s as Americans feared the dominance of the Catholic Church over government issues.

Green told The Post that those in the generation that founded the United States “saw religious disestablishment as working in both directions: protecting the state from religion and vice versa.” The concept around separate spheres of civil and religious authority goes as far back as the Middle Ages and the Protestant Reformation, he said.

“In fact, one of the leading controversies that preceded the American Revolution involved widespread opposition to efforts to create an Anglican bishop in the American colonies, which colonists feared would increase the political power of the church and infringe on civil liberties,” Green said.

A day after Boebert’s comments, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a school board in Washington state discriminated against a former football coach when it disciplined him for postgame prayers at midfield.

The decision favored the protection of religious faith over concerns about government endorsement of religion.

Justice Neil M. Gorsuch wrote in the 6-to-3 decision that Bremerton High School assistant coach Joseph Kennedy’s prayers were protected by the Constitution’s guarantees of free speech and religious exercise.

“Respect for religious expressions is indispensable to life in a free and diverse Republic — whether those expressions take place in a sanctuary or on a field,” Gorsuch wrote. “Here, a government entity sought to punish an individual for engaging in a brief, quiet, personal religious observance doubly protected” by the Constitution.

Boebert, a firebrand member of the Republican Party, is being challenged by other party candidates in Tuesday’s primary in Colorado.

Among the primary elections and runoffs taking place Tuesday in seven states are five U.S. Senate races, four gubernatorial contests and dozens of polls for House seats. The results could give early insight into how voters are reacting to the Supreme Court’s decision Friday overturning Roe v. Wade, which had guaranteed abortion rights for almost half a century.

Boebert thanked God for the court’s decision and received loud approval from the congregation Sunday at the Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt.

“Look at what happened this week?” she said to cheers.

“This is the fruit of your labor, of your votes and of your prayers — this is your harvest,” she added.

Without naming him, Boebert also appeared to thank Donald Trump for his presidential role in nominating three conservative justices to the court. “God called a man who was not a politician to run for office, and I believe he was anointed for that position. He answered that call,” she said.

She rallied worshipers to be “bold,” stressing that “there’s still work to do.”

“It is so vital for the church to assemble,” she said.
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Meh...meanwhile AOC is mouthbreathing...
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Green has no business changing the meaning of an existing portion of the constitution. His comparisons are invalid because they are not in the constitution in any form, based on what he wrote. So his comparison is comparing changing meaning as opposed to finding meaning.

Obviously Religion running our government is ridiculous, and stated nowhere in the constitution. She is pandering.
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Pandering to whom?

NOBODY sane talks like that!
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Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association was in response to their letter to Jefferson on October 7, 1801, where they were complaining about that puritan Congregationalist taxpayer-funded established church in Connecticut that was persecuting them. Those busybody intolerant puritans were always persecuting anyone that wasn't a puritan but wanted everyone to pay taxes to support them even if they weren't a puritan.
Remember that "establishment of religion" meant a church incorporated and funded by a government. Of course, predictably legal eagles, as well as assorted idiots, later perverted its entire meaning.
I betcha WAPO failed to explain that.

Jefferson empathized with their situation but since the Constitution only denied Congress the power to establish a church or to interfere with the free exercise of religion, it was strictly a state issue and he hoped for them the best in the Baptist's efforts at disestablishing the Congregationalist Church and restoring religious freedom.

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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore man to all of his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
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Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic.
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EEOC: 2 fired for not joining company Christian prayer


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Two employees with a North Carolina company say they were fired after refusing to participate in the firm’s daily Christian prayer meetings, which they said went against their respective religious beliefs, according to a lawsuit filed by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

The lawsuit, which seeks a jury trial, was filed in U.S. District Court in Greensboro on Monday on behalf of John McGaha, a construction manager at Aurora Pro Services, and Mackenzie Saunders, a customer service representatives at the Greensboro residential services company. The EEOC announced the lawsuit Tuesday in a news release.

It comes on the heels of a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court which said a high school football coach in Washington state who knelt and prayed on the field after games was protected by the Constitution.

Mary Kate Littlejohn, a Greenville, South Carolina, attorney representing McGaha and Saunders, declined comment Tuesday. No one from Aurora Pro Services was immediately available for comment Tuesday and questions on the lawsuit were referred to an email address from which there was no immediate answer.

In the complaint, the EEOC says daily prayer meetings are part of Aurora’s business model, though there is no reference to it on its web page. Attendance at the prayer meetings was mandatory for employees and was a condition of employment regardless of a worker’s religious beliefs or affiliation, the complaint said.

On occasion, prayers were requested and offered “for poor performing employees who were identified by name,” according to the complaint. Also, the complaint noted, the company owner took attendance and would reprimand employees who did not attend.

McGaha, who identifies himself as an atheist, was hired by the company on June 8, 2020. He said the prayer meetings, which initially lasted around 15 minutes, stretched in length to around 45 minutes and even longer. Saunders, who worked at Aurora from November 2020 until Jan. 21, 2021, describes herself as an agnostic. She also acknowledged that the prayer meetings became longer over time.

According to the complaint, McGaha said the longer the prayer meetings went, the less tolerable they became. He said he was asked on one occasion to lead the Christian prayer, which he refused. In late August 2020, he asked the owner of the company to be excused from those parts of the meeting that pertained to religion because of his conflict with it, but the owner refused and told him “it would be in his best interest to do so.”

McGaha asked again in September to be excused. The complaint said the owner told him that he did not have to believe in God nor did he have to like the meetings but he had to participate. McGaha refused and he was fired, the complaint said. Before he was fired, the owner reduced his base pay from $800 to $400 and his commissions were withheld after his dismissal, the EEOC said.

In January 2021, Saunders stopped going to the prayer meetings because they conflicted with her religion. She was fired, the complaint said, adding that the owner told her she “was not a good fit” for the company.

The complaint also seeks a permanent injunction to prevent the company from engaging in employment practices that discriminate on the basis of religion and subject workers to a hostile work environment “by coercing participating in daily prayer.”
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Daily prayer meetings as part of their business model? I’ll pass on that job.
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Robert, what if in company policy it said you had to be Christian, or you had to attend prayer meetings and participate? Would that be legal or no? I will also throw in they have no federal, state, or local contracts. I am curious.
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Speyside2 wrote:
Robert, what if in company policy it said you had to be Christian, or you had to attend prayer meetings and participate? Would that be legal or no? I will also throw in they have no federal, state, or local contracts. I am curious.

IMO- illegal.
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I think they’re trying to duck the religious discrimination by saying you don’t have to be religious but have to attend the prayer meeting.
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That boebert K.E.N.T....

IS EVEN DUUUUPITER
THAN THAT BLONDE DUMMY FROM GA...

THE ONE THAT HANGS WITH MATT THE PEDOFILE
(alleDgeDleY) from Florida...
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rfenst wrote:
IMO- illegal.


Ya... I agree...

But the question has to be asked... isn't a 45 minute prayer meeting every day an epic waste of time?
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My wife was complaining last night that I never listen to her. Or something like that...
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Mr. Jones wrote:
That boebert K.E.N.T....

IS EVEN DUUUUPITER
THAN THAT BLONDE DUMMY FROM GA...

THE ONE THAT HANGS WITH MATT THE PEDOFILE
(alleDgeDleY) from Florida...

the crowd is going to turn on you.
watch your back.
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Duely noted boo boo...
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What's the matter Jonesy? You don't like her hair? Huh
I've heard she is an "dangerous extremist" too according to the left, but then everybody is a dangerous extremist to them that isn't a leftist Laugh

Anyway...she's not very good at clarifying what she's sayin' I guess, like that “stinking letter” bit, but I haven't heard the whole content of the speech she made, so there's not much to go on. The media propagandists like to cherry wurds, that GOTCHA stuff so as to build a picture in the minds of the feckless proles that they want. Most of the media sucks anyway, they treat the peeps like a parent talking down to, explaining stuff to an 8-year-old.
I went through a few news media articles about her and that "stinking letter" and that “a wall of separation between Church and State.” thing and no one bothered to explain anything even close to what Jefferson was talking about. So they must be purposely trying to deceive the children or they are just plain stupid.

That horrible biased leftist Justice Sonia Sotomayor even said the court “continues to dismantle the wall of separation between church and state that the Framers fought to build,” and “In just a few years, the Court has upended constitutional doctrine,” she wrote in her dissenting opinion. Really? What "Framers" were those and where in the constitution is that "doctrine" that she speaks of?
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You guys talking about that blond woman that looks like her eyes are too close together and recently developed an Orange hue?

Ya, she not very good wit wurds.
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Duely noted boo boo...

see #17
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bgz wrote:
You guys talking about that blond woman that looks like her eyes are too close together and recently developed an Orange hue?

Ya, she not very good wit wurds.


Get with the program Ben! Lauren Boebert has brown hair.

Boebert may not be very good wit wurds, but her basic argument that the separation of church and state “junk” is not in the Constitution and was only in a letter by Jefferson that “means nothing like they say it does” is sound.

If you want to look at a mental midget in the Republican Party, look at that namby-pamby clown Adam Kinzinger, who tweeted about Boebert's wurds, “There is no difference between this and the Taliban. We must oppose the Christian Taliban. I say this as a Christian,”. That moron actually thinks she is proposing a Christian fundamentalist takeover of the gubment.






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and she's not the White Lives idiot either!
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Well, I guess I was thinking of the wrong one then... carry on.
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Temples are free to enter but still empty. Pubs charge to enter, but are full. People ignore inner peace &choose to pay for self destruction
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Temples are free to enter but still empty. Pubs charge to enter, but are full. People ignore inner peace &choose to pay for self destruction


Are you proposing a nationwide constitutional ban on the production, importation, transportation, and sale of alcoholic beverages so people can have more inner peace and avoid self-destruction? Think
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Sure. That sounds exactly like the kind of thing I'd advocate, ya pillock
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Sure. That sounds exactly like the kind of thing I'd advocate, ya pillock


So now you are using British slang to insult me, are ya?!
Bloody Hell! I've had enough of your rubbish. Bugger off you knob!
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Yes, and it was incredibly difficult to get it to stop "correcting" to a slang against my people, possibly perpetuating decades of hurtful slander towards Polish intelligence. I need a safe space from autocorrect
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Ok, I looked her up...

Plastic surgeon appears to have done well in her frontal pectoral region, but severely mismanaged the implementation of the specification of the frontal cranial region... which makes me conclude that the probability is high that her t*ts are lopsided.
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bgz wrote:
Ok, I looked her up...

Plastic surgeon appears to have done well in her frontal pectoral region, but severely mismanaged the implementation of the specification of the frontal cranial region... which makes me conclude that the probability is high that her t*ts are lopsided.


I think Drafter will confirm the fact that her t*ts are not lopsided.
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Yes, and it was incredibly difficult to get it to stop "correcting" to a slang against my people, possibly perpetuating decades of hurtful slander towards Polish intelligence. I need a safe space from autocorrect


Being in an area where you can't walk 20ft without tripping over a person of Polish descent, including my wife, I can confirm there is something to that hurtful slander towards Polish intelligence, especially those generations close to the early 20th Century immigrants during the Progressive Era, evidenced by the fact that a majority of them only know how to vote Democrat, even if doing so is to their own detriment. That's just the facts ma'am, based on a lifetime of scientific observation by many.
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RayR wrote:
Being in an area where you can't walk 20ft without tripping over a person of Polish descent, including my wife, I can confirm there is something to that hurtful slander towards Polish intelligence, especially those generations close to the early 20th Century immigrants during the Progressive Era, evidenced by the fact that a majority of them only know how to vote Democrat, even if doing so is to their own detriment. That's just the facts ma'am, based on a lifetime of scientific observation by many.



Why are they all laying on the ground?
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RayR wrote:
Being in an area where you can't walk 20ft without tripping over a person of Polish descent, including my wife, I can confirm there is something to that hurtful slander towards Polish intelligence, especially those generations close to the early 20th Century immigrants during the Progressive Era, evidenced by the fact that a majority of them only know how to vote Democrat, even if doing so is to their own detriment. That's just the facts ma'am, based on a lifetime of scientific observation by many.


That could quite possibly be the most racist thing I've ever seen you post on these boards.

Congratulation sir, you've achieved a new depth of intolerance.

I believe in you though... I believe you can descend beyond your current threshold to new exciting lows!
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bgz wrote:
That could quite possibly be the most racist thing I've ever seen you post on these boards.

Congratulation sir, you've achieved a new depth of intolerance.

I believe in you though... I believe you can descend beyond your current threshold to new exciting lows!


You would say something stupid like that...you race-baiter. Frying pan
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RayR wrote:
You would say something stupid like that...you race-baiter. Frying pan


Uh... your post was racist... I quoted it, I gave you props for achieving new levels?

You sound mad? ...

You mad?

I actually thought you would take it as a compliment.
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Uh... your post was racist... I quoted it, I gave you props for achieving new levels?

You sound mad? ...

You mad?

I actually thought you would take it as a compliment.



Didn't yo mama tell you that Polish isn't a RACE? Frying pan
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Technically true, but you are discriminating against arguably an ethnicity and inarguably a nationality. I'd venture to say that's just as bad as racism
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^ His statement is very consistent in terms of everything he states here.
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And in this episode of us and them...
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so he wants people he says are too stoopid to vote for their own benefit to home school their kids?
That's some gudly political vision.
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Being an adult is just walking around wondering what you're forgetting.
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