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Gene363 Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2022, 8:47 AM EST
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It's Fourth of July Eve! For the next two or three, heck about a week:

Please keep your dogs and children quiet in the mornings.
Some of us have been up all night setting off firework.

Thanks
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2022, 10:27 AM EST
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Dear England.

Thanks for losing.

Signed,
USA.
RayR Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2022, 10:45 AM EST
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Happy Insurrection and Secession Day Eve!
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2022, 4:22 PM EST
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thank you to our Founding Fathers for risking everything to give birth to our great nation...
Cheno Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2022, 5:55 PM EST
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If you are doing fireworks Don't forget "back up Terry"
MACS Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2022, 6:11 PM EST
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Yay... I get to hear fireworks AND barking... Tank does not like the fireworks.
BuckyB93 Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Jul 3 2022, 6:35 PM EST
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Most dogs don't. My dog (RIP Madison) would get really nervous and agitated. Follow you around the house at your heels when fireworks going off and during thunderstorms.

I wouldn't need to turn on the news or weather channel to predict that a thunderstorm was coming through, my dog would get antsy and I'd know that some boomers will be coming over in about an hour or so. Call it a sixth sense, ingrained in the K9 DNA, or maybe able to sense a change in the barometric pressure... whatever it is... I could tell that there were some thunderstorms looming on the horizon based on his behavior.

I'd love to get another dog again.
RayR Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 11:12 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
thank you to our Founding Fathers for risking everything to give birth to our great nation...


Guys like you gotta stop this pseudo-patriotic nationalist myth. They weren't risking everything to form some great nation, they were risking everything to preserve the sovereignty of their individual colonies from the dicktators in far-off capitals that were trying to piece by piece take it all away.
MACS Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 11:15 AM EST
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Remember: This day only exists because people were armed, and willing to fight an oppressive ruler.
BuckyB93 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 11:19 AM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCkfa3pqihU
BuckyB93 Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 11:46 AM EST
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The Declaration of Independence is arguably the most impactful document in modern history for western society, if not the modern world.

One could argue that this document inspired the French Revolution some 15 yrs later, the revolt of Chinese students in Tienanmen Square some 200 yrs later and other revolts in between. It gave hope that common folks could be successful in making lasting changes even against major military power(s).
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 11:57 AM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
The Declaration of Independence is arguably the most impactful document in modern history for western society, if not the modern world.

One could argue that this document inspired the French Revolution some 15 yrs later, the revolt of Chinese students in Tienanmen Square some 200 yrs later and other revolts in between. It gave hope that common folks could be successful in making lasting changes even against major military power(s).


True.
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 1:26 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Guys like you gotta stop this pseudo-patriotic nationalist myth. They weren't risking everything to form some great nation, they were risking everything to preserve the sovereignty of their individual colonies from the dicktators in far-off capitals that were trying to piece by piece take it all away.




I take it that you are not coming to our Fourth of July celebration tonite...in honor of the land of the free and home of the brave. You would've been welcome...

RR ---->horse <----RR
RayR Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 5:48 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I take it that you are not coming to our Fourth of July celebration tonite...in honor of the land of the free and home of the brave. You would've been welcome...

RR ---->horse <----RR


Tired old patriotic slogans and platitudes don't impress me. Independence Day should only celebrate only one thing...it declared the unfounding of the 13 British colonies into 13 sovereign states. It did nothing more, it did not found a nation.
The defining principle of the American Revolution is the right of secession to restore the conservative values of self-government that the colonies once happily enjoyed.

The usual nationalist characters, like some on FOX News try to make July 4th into yet another military worship day. Somehow they think the Declaration of Independence created an empire with a blank authorization to go overseas to find monsters to destroy and expend endless blood and treasure, calling whatever the military is ordered to do "defending America". It seems they forgot about George Washington's warnings about foreign interventions, engaging in entangling political and military alliances with foreigners.

I could say a lot about Biden's 4th of July speech too, It was a crock of mindless rhetoric, slogans, and platitudes too but I'll leave that for the other forum.
RayR Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 5:53 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
The Declaration of Independence is arguably the most impactful document in modern history for western society, if not the modern world.

One could argue that this document inspired the French Revolution some 15 yrs later, the revolt of Chinese students in Tienanmen Square some 200 yrs later and other revolts in between. It gave hope that common folks could be successful in making lasting changes even against major military power(s).


The problem with the French Revolution is it was started by the original left. It had nothing in common with the principles of the American Revolution, not by a long shot.
delta1 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 7:55 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Tired old patriotic slogans and platitudes don't impress me. Independence Day should only celebrate only one thing...it declared the unfounding of the 13 British colonies into 13 sovereign states. It did nothing more, it did not found a nation.
The defining principle of the American Revolution is the right of secession to restore the conservative values of self-government that the colonies once happily enjoyed.

The usual nationalist characters, like some on FOX News try to make July 4th into yet another military worship day. Somehow they think the Declaration of Independence created an empire with a blank authorization to go overseas to find monsters to destroy and expend endless blood and treasure, calling whatever the military is ordered to do "defending America". It seems they forgot about George Washington's warnings about foreign interventions, engaging in entangling political and military alliances with foreigners.

I could say a lot about Biden's 4th of July speech too, It was a crock of mindless rhetoric, slogans, and platitudes too but I'll leave that for the other forum.


pity the fool who wishes you a Merry Christmas...
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 8:46 PM EST
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French Revolution…..Christmas….people hate everything fun now.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 9:31 PM EST
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Feels like a "Wrong forum, noob" should be appropriate somewhere in here.
8trackdisco Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 9:45 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Yay... I get to hear fireworks AND barking... Tank does not like the fireworks.


Dogs and veterans who don’t like unexpected Boom sounds. Have a Vietnam veteran two houses down. 4th of July weekend is probably the worst weekend of his year. He’s probably in his basement with ear plugs and a noise machine.
His wife stays away from him as much as she can.
8trackdisco Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 9:47 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
The Declaration of Independence is arguably the most impactful document in modern history for western society, if not the modern world.

One could argue that this document inspired the French Revolution some 15 yrs later, the revolt of Chinese students in Tienanmen Square some 200 yrs later and other revolts in between. It gave hope that common folks could be successful in making lasting changes even against major military power(s).


Where do you slot the Magna Carta?
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 10:19 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Dogs and veterans who don’t like unexpected Boom sounds. Have a Vietnam veteran two houses down. 4th of July weekend is probably the worst weekend of his year. He’s probably in his basement with ear plugs and a noise machine.
His wife stays away from him as much as she can.



Not all combat vets feel the same way, and there are always exceptions.

In response to this meme: https://theveganreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Fireworks-1.jpg

This is what one combat vet, I know very well, wrote:

Quote:
If this hurts your feelings........well good, tell your mom and dad they should not have raised a pussy. This bullshit needs to stop.

Lets just take a look at the facts.

1. Bees are not bothered in the least by fireworks, otherwise how do you explain the fact that bees build nests on gun ranges and demolition ranges? Bees don't fly at night, they are already in their hives.

2. Unless you throw fireworks into a bird's nest or hit a bird with a firework, this is complete bullshit.

3. More bullshit, wild animals might, *might* get spooked, but they do not abandon their dens. They are not as stupid as the cucks that made this original meme.

4. More BS, fish as animals are not stupid.

5. Your dog, cat, or whatever might not like fireworks, but they are not going to die or be scarred for life because people celebrate Independence day. Stop being over dramatic. You know it's the 4th of July, get your puss dog a doggie Valium and a thunder vest and shut the fuck up.

6. This is the one that pisses me off more than any other. As a combat veteran with hyper vigilance, I fought for our country, I will be damned if I would ever try to take away people's freedom to celebrate in the traditional fashion, and I do not know any combat vet that would. That's right, I said it, if somebody is telling you not to celebrate with fireworks because of their PTSD, there is a 99% chance they sat in the rear, saw no combat, and just want attention. Seriously, people who actually fought to defend freedom are pretty damn serious about keeping it. They may not like fireworks, they may sit in the house with earplugs in and such, but they will never ask you not to celebrate freedom. We are veterans, not pussies.
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jul 4 2022, 10:41 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Guys like you gotta stop this pseudo-patriotic nationalist myth. They weren't risking everything to form some great nation, they were risking everything to preserve the sovereignty of their individual colonies from the dicktators in far-off capitals that were trying to piece by piece take it all away.


they were risking death for acts of treason, even Jefferson.
MACS Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jul 5 2022, 8:11 AM EST
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I agree with that, Gene.

Tank heard the booms, growled and woofed a bit... and laid back down. He wasn't scared, he was defending his house.
Gene363 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 5 2022, 8:24 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
I agree with that, Gene.

Tank heard the booms, growled and woofed a bit... and laid back down. He wasn't scared, he was defending his house.


Zactly, he warned the pack and the leader wasn't worried so all was good.
delta1 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jul 5 2022, 12:00 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
they were risking death for acts of treason, even Jefferson.



the Second Continental Congress composed of representatives of the 13 colonies, ratified the Declaration of Independence, as RayR said, to declare independence from the monarchy, and in so doing declared the union of the thirteen colonies into a confederation that has become the United States of America...it is quite a mouthful...

but to be precise, he left out the agreement among that group of delegates to form a united entity of free and independent colonies...

easier to say that their actions on July Fourth, 1776, led directly to the birth of the USA...
RayR Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jul 5 2022, 2:12 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the Second Continental Congress composed of representatives of the 13 colonies, ratified the Declaration of Independence, as RayR said, to declare independence from the monarchy, and in so doing declared the union of the thirteen colonies into a confederation that has become the United States of America...it is quite a mouthful...

but to be precise, he left out the agreement among that group of delegates to form a united entity of free and independent colonies...

easier to say that their actions on July Fourth, 1776, led directly to the birth of the USA...



Besides The Declaration of Independence (or the Declaration of Treason if you were a British loyalist), The only united entity that was formed in the Second Continental Congress was The Continental Army.

There was no agreement about how the states should get along in peacetime until the Articles of Confederation. And there was no glimmer in the eyes of the founders for the birth of a "THE UNITED STATES" nation either.

Quote:
"Each state was considered by the founders to be a separate country in the same sense that Great Britain and France were separate countries. As stated in the latter part of the Declaration, after defining the “United Colonies” as “FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES” that are “absolved from all allegiance to the British crown,” the document says that “as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other things which independent states may of right do.” Free and independent states, not something called “the United States government in Washington, D.C.” The phrase “United States” is always in the plural in all the founding documents, signifying that the free and independent states are united in participating in a voluntary compact of states. It unequivocally does not refer to the United States government in Washington, D.C. or anywhere else."

Excerpt From:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/07/thomas-dilorenzo/lincolns-repudiation-of-the-declaration-of-independence/
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jul 5 2022, 8:54 PM EST
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interesting interpretation.
Guess some chit changed among our ancestors.

I've heard it said that what they meant by "free and independent states" referred to them all being free from Great Britain, not from each other...which is what evolved so I'm thinking that interpretation won. I'm gonna go wif da winner, not wif you and Lewd.

If only those early writers hadn't been purposely vague simply because they knew they didn't know the future.

Now stop chitting on our veterans and Patriots.
BuckyB93 Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Jul 6 2022, 10:05 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
interesting interpretation.
Guess some chit changed among our ancestors.

I've heard it said that what they meant by "free and independent states" referred to them all being free from Great Britain, not from each other...which is what evolved so I'm thinking that interpretation won. I'm gonna go wif da winner, not wif you and Lewd.

If only those early writers hadn't been purposely vague simply because they knew they didn't know the future.

Now stop chitting on our veterans and Patriots.


They are cheaters. GO PACK GO!
BuckyB93 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jul 6 2022, 10:07 AM EST
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Twenty NINE!
RayR Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jul 6 2022, 11:49 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
interesting interpretation.
Guess some chit changed among our ancestors.

I've heard it said that what they meant by "free and independent states" referred to them all being free from Great Britain, not from each other...which is what evolved so I'm thinking that interpretation won. I'm gonna go wif da winner, not wif you and Lewd.

If only those early writers hadn't been purposely vague simply because they knew they didn't know the future.

Now stop chitting on our veterans and Patriots.


Yer not good wif understanding wurds, like yer not good with understanding history, are ya? There was nothing "purposely vague" about how they wrote, wurds had a specific meaning, and they weren't living wurds to be interpreted in whatever way you wanted to fit your agenda.

So the lizard people nationalists lied to you about what "free and independent states" meant and yer sticking to the lie. Understood, got it Frankie boy. Shame on you
Mr. Jones Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Jul 7 2022, 7:44 PM EST
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Is this the over 60 PROSTATE BLOOD TEST THREAD?
frankj1 Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Jul 7 2022, 9:42 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
They are cheaters. GO PACK GO!

that's gonna leave a mark...
frankj1 Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Jul 7 2022, 9:42 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Is this the over 60 PROSTATE BLOOD TEST THREAD?

I had the same thought!
Nice!
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