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Survey: Nearly half of Republicans want someone other than Trump in 2024
rfenst Offline
#1 Posted:
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The Hilll

Close to half of Republican primary voters want someone other than former President Trump to run in 2024, according to a new poll that comes as he considers an early announcement of another White House bid.

When respondents in The New York Times-Siena College poll were asked who they would vote for should the 2024 GOP primary be held today, voters offered the most support to Trump with 49 percent backing the former president. Forty-seven percent, however, indicated they would support another Republican nominee.

Support for the former president drops to 41 percent among GOP primary voters between the ages of 18 and 28 years old and 44 percent for those between the ages of 30 and 44 years old, pollsters noted.

The Times added that 65 percent of Republican primary voters with at least a college degree and 64 percent of those under 35 years old would vote against the former president in a primary — key groups of the Republican base that would be crucial to the former president’s chances.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R ) received the second-highest support among primary voters when respondents were asked who they would vote for in a Republican presidential primary for 2024 at 25 percent, making him the only candidate besides Trump to receive double-digit support.

Former Vice President Mike Pence, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R), former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and “Someone else” registered single-digit support in the survey.

The polling comes as Trump mulls a third presidential bid, which he has at times teased but has not formally announced. Multiple sources told The Hill that there has been some discussion of Trump making an announcement as soon as this summer.

The New York Times-Siena College poll was conducted between July 5 and July 7 with 849 registered voters. The margin of sampling error is 4.1 percent.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted:
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I remember that poll when Hillary Clinton was up over 17 points going into election night.
rfenst Offline
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Opinion: Joe Biden Is Too Old to Be President Again


NYT

I can’t help feeling very sorry for Joe Biden. He’s wanted to be president for most of his life, first running 34 years ago. Had his son Beau not died in 2015, Biden might have entered the Democratic primary then; as vice president he would have been a favorite and likely would have beaten Donald Trump.

By the time he finally achieved the office he longed for, he was far past his prime. Trump had left the country in ruins, its institutions collapsing, much of the population gripped by furious delusions, and millions traumatized by the pandemic. Biden was elected to bring back a normality that now appears to be gone for good.

Many of the crises driving down Biden’s approval numbers are not his fault. If an 8.6 percent inflation rate were due to his policies, then it’s hard to see why the rate is even higher in Britain, at 9.1 percent, or why it’s 7.9 percent in Germany. The mulish attachment to the filibuster by Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema makes most legislation impossible. Even if Biden had more activist inclinations, there’s not much he could do about the Supreme Court’s cruel reversal of Roe v. Wade or the increasing tempo of massacres that punctuate American life.

Nevertheless, I hope he doesn’t run again, because he’s too old.

Now, I didn’t want Biden to be the Democratic nominee in 2020, partly for ideological reasons but even more because he seemed too worn-out and unfocused. In retrospect, however, given the way Republicans outperformed expectations, Biden may have been the only one of the major candidates who could have beaten Trump; voters showed no appetite for sweeping progressive change.

So I recognize that I could be wrong when I make a similar argument today. But the presidency ages even young men, and Biden is far from young; a country in as much trouble as ours needs a leader vigorous enough to inspire confidence.

As a recent New York Times/Siena College poll found, 64 percent of Democrats want a different presidential nominee in 2024. Those Democrats cite Biden’s age more than any other factor, though job performance is close behind. Their concern isn’t surprising. Biden has always been given to gaffes and malapropisms, but there is a painful suspense in watching him speak now, like seeing someone wobble on a tightrope. (Some of his misspeaking can be explained by the stutter he overcame as a child, but not all.) His staff often seems to be keeping him out of view; as The Times reported, he’s participated “in fewer than half as many news conferences or interviews as recent predecessors.”

Certainly, there’s something nice about a president who doesn’t torment the country with his vampiric thirst for attention. And by most accounts, Biden is still sharp and engaged in performing the behind-the-scenes duties of his office. But by receding so far into the background, he forfeits the ability to set the public agenda.

You can’t spin away a bad economy, but you can draw attention to its bright spots, like a 3.6 percent unemployment rate. Americans overwhelmingly sympathize with Ukraine, and with a rousing enough message, some might be willing to accept the pain of high gas prices as the cost of standing up to Vladimir Putin. To rally them, however, it’s not enough for the administration to repeat the phrase “Putin’s price hike.” Like the rest of us, the White House had ample notice of the Supreme Court’s intention to overturn Roe v. Wade, but it somehow wasn’t ready with an immediate executive order and public relations blitz.

There’s a problem here that goes beyond a shortage of presidential speeches and media appearances, or even Biden himself. We are ruled by a gerontocracy. Biden is 79. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is 82. The House majority leader, Steny Hoyer, is 83. The Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, is 71. Often, it’s not clear if they grasp how broken this country is.

They built their careers in institutions that worked, more or less, and they seem to expect them to start working again. They give every impression of seeing this moment, when the gears of government have seized and one party openly schemes against democracy, as an interregnum rather than a tipping point. Biden’s Democratic critics come from different places on the political spectrum — some are infuriated by his centrism, others worried by his listlessness. What links most of them is desperation for leaders who show urgency and ingenuity.

If there’s one consolation in Biden’s age, it’s that he can step aside without conceding failure. There’s no shame in not running for president in your 80s. He emerged from semiretirement to save the country from a second Trump term, and for that we all owe him a great debt. But now we need someone who can stand up to the still-roiling forces of Trumpism.

There are plenty of possibilities: If Vice President Kamala Harris’s approval ratings remain underwater, Democrats have a number of charismatic governors and senators they can turn to. Biden said, during the 2020 campaign, that he wanted to be a “bridge” to a new generation of Democrats. Soon it will be time to cross it.
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted:
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The Hill.

Where I get all my right wing news.

Vox and WAPO didn’t want any of that???
rfenst Offline
#5 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The Hill.

Where I get all my right wing news.

Vox and WAPO didn’t want any of that???

Got a citation to any other recent poll on this issue?... I didn't think so.
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted:
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You should toss in a *mic drop* for full effect.
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted:
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🎤🫳🫃
Speyside2 Offline
#8 Posted:
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The numbers are revealing Robert. America does want a president who is well past their prime.

Z, why is always about you? If you didn't at least chuckle you have no soul.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted:
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Come on Z, show me something else.
Speyside2 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Z, why would you only want right wing news? If I read I read both sides and try to find any truth.
tailgater Offline
#11 Posted:
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Nearly half?

How many dems want someone alive, I mean someone other than Biden in 2024?

That whore occupying the VP seat doesn't count. Hell, she probably CAN'T count.

The cackling wench.

frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,211
tailgater wrote:
Nearly half?

How many dems want someone alive, I mean someone other than Biden in 2024?

That whore occupying the VP seat doesn't count. Hell, she probably CAN'T count.

The cackling wench.


actually saw something today about dems wanting someone other than Biden to run next time.
age splits and stuff. believably large numbers too.

My unofficial poll of me...I don't want Biden or Trump to run again...but I didn't want them last time either.
Margin of error 4.1%
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Couple things, most importantly how did Cheeto ever poll? There were always a large percent that either deceived or didn’t want their choice know one exit polls and I doubt this is a ZERO factor at this stage. Do I only want right wing news? Oh FFS…….When I want to know who the left DOESN’T want I look to them (like this). It is MUCH MORE believable that the left DOESN’T WANT Trump more than the right WANTS him. I read and listen to just about everything except CNN, MSNBC, VOX, NYT, Media Matters, Mother Jones and TYT. It’s always a good idea to both challenge your ideas with scrutiny and know what your enemies are up to.

FYI I didn’t vote for Cheeto in either the primary or the election (just a reminder).
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted:
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Neither will run.
But Trump will heroically lunge.
And Biden will fall while stopped.

ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted:
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It will be know as the Mountain Bike Moment.
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rfenst wrote:
The Hilll

Close to half of Republican primary voters want someone other than former President Trump to run in 2024, according to a new poll that comes as he considers an early announcement of another White House bid.

When respondents in The New York Times-Siena College poll were asked who they would vote for should the 2024 GOP primary be held today, voters offered the most support to Trump with 49 percent backing the former president. Forty-seven percent, however, indicated they would support another Republican nominee.

Support for the former president drops to 41 percent among GOP primary voters between the ages of 18 and 28 years old and 44 percent for those between the ages of 30 and 44 years old, pollsters noted.

The Times added that 65 percent of Republican primary voters with at least a college degree and 64 percent of those under 35 years old would vote against the former president in a primary — key groups of the Republican base that would be crucial to the former president’s chances.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R ) received the second-highest support among primary voters when respondents were asked who they would vote for in a Republican presidential primary for 2024 at 25 percent, making him the only candidate besides Trump to receive double-digit support.

Former Vice President Mike Pence, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R), former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and “Someone else” registered single-digit support in the survey.

The polling comes as Trump mulls a third presidential bid, which he has at times teased but has not formally announced. Multiple sources told The Hill that there has been some discussion of Trump making an announcement as soon as this summer.

The New York Times-Siena College poll was conducted between July 5 and July 7 with 849 registered voters. The margin of sampling error is 4.1 percent.


Only "nearly half?"
Assuming Trump isn't going for the nomination, the only remaining question is how Republicans will vote for or against the Trump backed candidate,
JGKAMIN Online
#17 Posted:
Joined: 05-08-2011
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rfenst wrote:
Opinion: Joe Biden Is Too Old to Be President Again


NYT

I can’t help feeling very sorry for Joe Biden. He’s wanted to be president for most of his life, first running 34 years ago. Had his son Beau not died in 2015, Biden might have entered the Democratic primary then; as vice president he would have been a favorite and likely would have beaten Donald Trump.

By the time he finally achieved the office he longed for, he was far past his prime. Trump had left the country in ruins, its institutions collapsing, much of the population gripped by furious delusions, and millions traumatized by the pandemic. Biden was elected to bring back a normality that now appears to be gone for good.

Many of the crises driving down Biden’s approval numbers are not his fault. If an 8.6 percent inflation rate were due to his policies, then it’s hard to see why the rate is even higher in Britain, at 9.1 percent, or why it’s 7.9 percent in Germany. The mulish attachment to the filibuster by Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema makes most legislation impossible. Even if Biden had more activist inclinations, there’s not much he could do about the Supreme Court’s cruel reversal of Roe v. Wade or the increasing tempo of massacres that punctuate American life.

Nevertheless, I hope he doesn’t run again, because he’s too old.

Now, I didn’t want Biden to be the Democratic nominee in 2020, partly for ideological reasons but even more because he seemed too worn-out and unfocused. In retrospect, however, given the way Republicans outperformed expectations, Biden may have been the only one of the major candidates who could have beaten Trump; voters showed no appetite for sweeping progressive change.

So I recognize that I could be wrong when I make a similar argument today. But the presidency ages even young men, and Biden is far from young; a country in as much trouble as ours needs a leader vigorous enough to inspire confidence.

As a recent New York Times/Siena College poll found, 64 percent of Democrats want a different presidential nominee in 2024. Those Democrats cite Biden’s age more than any other factor, though job performance is close behind. Their concern isn’t surprising. Biden has always been given to gaffes and malapropisms, but there is a painful suspense in watching him speak now, like seeing someone wobble on a tightrope. (Some of his misspeaking can be explained by the stutter he overcame as a child, but not all.) His staff often seems to be keeping him out of view; as The Times reported, he’s participated “in fewer than half as many news conferences or interviews as recent predecessors.”

Certainly, there’s something nice about a president who doesn’t torment the country with his vampiric thirst for attention. And by most accounts, Biden is still sharp and engaged in performing the behind-the-scenes duties of his office. But by receding so far into the background, he forfeits the ability to set the public agenda.

You can’t spin away a bad economy, but you can draw attention to its bright spots, like a 3.6 percent unemployment rate. Americans overwhelmingly sympathize with Ukraine, and with a rousing enough message, some might be willing to accept the pain of high gas prices as the cost of standing up to Vladimir Putin. To rally them, however, it’s not enough for the administration to repeat the phrase “Putin’s price hike.” Like the rest of us, the White House had ample notice of the Supreme Court’s intention to overturn Roe v. Wade, but it somehow wasn’t ready with an immediate executive order and public relations blitz.

There’s a problem here that goes beyond a shortage of presidential speeches and media appearances, or even Biden himself. We are ruled by a gerontocracy. Biden is 79. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is 82. The House majority leader, Steny Hoyer, is 83. The Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, is 71. Often, it’s not clear if they grasp how broken this country is.

They built their careers in institutions that worked, more or less, and they seem to expect them to start working again. They give every impression of seeing this moment, when the gears of government have seized and one party openly schemes against democracy, as an interregnum rather than a tipping point. Biden’s Democratic critics come from different places on the political spectrum — some are infuriated by his centrism, others worried by his listlessness. What links most of them is desperation for leaders who show urgency and ingenuity.

If there’s one consolation in Biden’s age, it’s that he can step aside without conceding failure. There’s no shame in not running for president in your 80s. He emerged from semiretirement to save the country from a second Trump term, and for that we all owe him a great debt. But now we need someone who can stand up to the still-roiling forces of Trumpism.

There are plenty of possibilities: If Vice President Kamala Harris’s approval ratings remain underwater, Democrats have a number of charismatic governors and senators they can turn to. Biden said, during the 2020 campaign, that he wanted to be a “bridge” to a new generation of Democrats. Soon it will be time to cross it.


NYT

President Biden is facing an alarming level of doubt from inside his own party, with 64 percent of Democratic voters saying they would prefer a new standard-bearer in the 2024 presidential campaign, according to a New York Times/Siena College poll, as voters nationwide have soured on his leadership, giving him a meager 33 percent job-approval rating.

Widespread concerns about the economy and inflation have helped turn the national mood decidedly dark, both on Mr. Biden and the trajectory of the nation. More than three-quarters of registered voters see the United States moving in the wrong direction, a pervasive sense of pessimism that spans every corner of the country, every age range and racial group, cities, suburbs and rural areas, as well as both political parties.

Only 13 percent of American voters said the nation was on the right track — the lowest point in Times polling since the depths of the financial crisis more than a decade ago.

For Mr. Biden, that bleak national outlook has pushed his job approval rating to a perilously low point. Republican opposition is predictably overwhelming, but more than two-thirds of independents also now disapprove of the president’s performance, and nearly half disapprove strongly. Among fellow Democrats his approval rating stands at 70 percent, a relatively low figure for a president, especially heading into the 2022 midterms when Mr. Biden needs to rally Democrats to the polls to maintain control of Congress.

In a sign of deep vulnerability and of unease among what is supposed to be his political base, only 26 percent of Democratic voters said the party should renominate him in 2024.

Mr. Biden has said repeatedly that he intends to run for re-election in 2024. At 79, he is already the oldest president in American history, and concerns about his age ranked at the top of the list for Democratic voters who want the party to find an alternative.

The backlash against Mr. Biden and desire to move in a new direction were particularly acute among younger voters. In the survey, 94 percent of Democrats under the age of 30 said they would prefer a different presidential nominee.

More than 75 percent of voters in the poll said the economy was “extremely important” to them. And yet only 1 percent rated economic conditions as excellent. Among those who are typically working age — voters 18 to 64 years old — only 6 percent said the economy was good or excellent, while 93 percent rated it poor or only fair.

The White House has tried to trumpet strong job growth, including on Friday when Mr. Biden declared that he had overseen “the fastest and strongest jobs recovery in American history.” But the Times/Siena poll showed a vast disconnect between those boasts, and the strength of some economic indicators, and the financial reality that most Americans feel they are confronting.
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JGKAMIN wrote:
NYT
Mr. Biden has said repeatedly that he intends to run for re-election in 2024. At 79, he is already the oldest president in American history, and concerns about his age ranked at the top of the list for Democratic voters who want the party to find an alternative.


So yes on Trump then because he would only be the second oldest geriatric to ever grace the Whitehouse?

Let's Make Teleprompters Big Again.
Mr. Jones Offline
#19 Posted:
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Posts: 19,359
If Trump runs for president again in 2024 he will

L.O.S.E.

GUARANTEED...

THANKS TO DOMINION'S VOTING MACHINES AND THE
D.N.C. IRON FISTED CONTROL OF THE F.B.I....

MAKE no mistake about it...

TRUMP WILL ABSOLUTELY L O.S.E. AGAIN...
LEGALLY OR ILLEGALY...

HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT AGAIN ...
ANYONE WHO THINKS HE WILL...

IS AN ABSOLUTE M.O.R.O.N....
Whistlebritches Offline
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I to do not want Trump to run..........I want someone who believes in Trumps policies,not necessarily a repube,for the record I am affiliated with no party,and and put them back in force.I want America winning again and that is something democrats are incapable of.

If you're better off now than 18 months ago please pipe up..........I love a good fairy tale.
Mr. Jones Offline
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If that FLORIDA gov. desantis runs against any Democrat at all ..
He will win ...
That's where you pick a great Republican V.P. who has a brain...
Then the new winner appointments Tulsi gabbard as secretary of state...and you find a great position for that brainiac black lady ????Susan rice?? I think that's my person..she's a brainiac...
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