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If this is your morality, then I'll have none of it.
Brewha Offline
#101 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
What do you expect? His son did turn over the money changers’ tables.

That must be why he is always asking for more….
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#102 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
I'm just glad I'm confident like frank in that regard

But I digress

I may have s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d the truth just a little...
Brewha Offline
#103 Posted:
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So now you refer to it as "The Truth"?

It's ok - I knew a guy who called his Stanley, like the power tool....
frankj1 Offline
#104 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
So now you refer to it as "The Truth"?

It's ok - I knew a guy who called his Stanley, like the power tool....

friend of mine was at a boxing match with his friend and the friend's father, an old Rabbi.
When the announcer introduce Carl "The Truth" Williams, the Rabbi shouted "Emmes!!!"
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#105 Posted:
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Brew believes there is no Emet

Except of course that there is no Emet.

What he doesn't understand is that makes 2
Dg west deptford Offline
#106 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
When we are moral and do the right thing, we all win. Being moral benefits us and society as a whole - which benefits the individual.




Where do you get your "right thing" from ?

Is it an absolute?

TRUTH IS MUTABLE????


Or do you actually KNOW things to be TRUE?
bgz Offline
#107 Posted:
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Oh boy, here we go again...
Dg west deptford Offline
#108 Posted:
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Benny I already soundly refuted you , give boob or brew a shot
bgz Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Benny I already soundly refuted you , give boob or brew a shot


Soundly refuted?

Maybe in your own head dawg, you ain't on my level.

You're missing some prerequisites.
Whistlebritches Offline
#110 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Soundly refuted?

Maybe in your own head dawg, you ain't on my level.

You're missing some prerequisites.



You got bullied on the playground repeatedly and often.Get past it..............you're now a legend,in your own mind of course but a legend non the less
bgz Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
You got bullied on the playground repeatedly and often.Get past it..............you're now a legend,in your own mind of course but a legend non the less


That's deep... Trying to dig up old wounds... Sorry, can't relate...

Oh well, you'll hit something someday. Keep trying.
bgz Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Benny I already soundly refuted you , give boob or brew a shot


And to be fair, I was eagerly awaiting on the sidelines... But you dragged me in here and whistle decided you needed saving lol.

Seriously, rather watch you battle someone else... So have at it, hit them with that logical right jab and a truthful left hook.
Brewha Offline
#113 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Brew believes there is no Emet

Except of course that there is no Emet.

What he doesn't understand is that makes 2

Are we talking the Endowment for Middle East Truth or Microsoft's Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit?

Because that would be 2....




Or maybe I don't understand because you have been unclear.
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#114 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Where do you get your "right thing" from ?

Is it an absolute?

TRUTH IS MUTABLE????


Or do you actually KNOW things to be TRUE?


Ok, give me just one absolute truth. Go on, I double dog dare ya.
Speyside2 Offline
#115 Posted:
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Return to forum without posting in the Twilight Zone.
Dg west deptford Offline
#116 Posted:
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Example of truth:

Brewha said OK, give just one absolute truth.

Then went on to double dog dare me.

That's 2


Bgz titled this thread "If this is your morality, I'll have none of it"

The fact that he denied morality existing in this same thread, refuting his own title statement, is just a fun side point

bgz Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:

Bgz titled this thread "If this is your morality, I'll have none of it"

The fact that he denied morality existing in this same thread, refuting his own title statement, is just a fun side point



There you go again... keep dragging me in...

You just make sh*t up and claim I said it.

Look this up... claiming something is an emergent phenomenon does not imply denying existence... oh yeah, you made some stupid claim about how I don't believe in phenomenon... and even posted a definition for me (that was sweet of you).

When I say you are not qualified to argue with me on this topic (or any related topic really)... it's because of sh*t like this (that and you lack sufficient background to comprehend some of my arguments).

You hear what you want and you regurgitate out what you think you heard without even giving consideration to what was actually said...

You hear what you want to hear...
RayR Offline
#118 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
You hear what you want to hear...


Wow! Aren't you the pot calling the kettle black? Shame on you
Dg west deptford Offline
#119 Posted:
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bgz wrote:


The stuff about actions not being fundamentally moral or immoral?

Yes, that is true.



Why does Benny continue to refute himself?

Maybe because, as he says,
"Yep, I could be wrong about everything I think I know"

horse
bgz Offline
#120 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Why does Benny continue to refute himself?

Maybe because, as he says,
"Yep, I could be wrong about everything I think I know"

horse


English mother f*cker... do you speak it?
Dg west deptford Offline
#121 Posted:
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bgz wrote:

You are correct about one thing though... events intrinsically are not moral or immoral... events don't have a morality attribute to we assign one to the event.



Frying pan
bgz Offline
#122 Posted:
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Let's get some things cleared up...

Me saying something is not fundamental does not mean I don't believe it exists... k? k.

Me saying I might be wrong about theories that I think are more likely than others to be true, says I've thought about this sh*t a lot more than you man... a lot more, I guarantee it.

I grew up in what you found... ok? So I've heard it all before... you're not going to tell me anything I haven't heard before.

With that, yes, I could be wrong in the theories I think have more credibility... but you are most certainly wrong in your beliefs... there's just too much evidence against what you believe that you're most I would go as far as to say it's been debunked... but hey, that's why there's politics. Someone always there to tell you what you want to here.

So you... are almost certainly wrong, and I... just could be wrong... see the difference?
HockeyDad Offline
#123 Posted:
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BGZ is prolly wrong.
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#124 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
BGZ is prolly wrong.


Yup, he reads too many of those weird nerdy non-fiction books about theoretical CHAOS and SYSTEMS.
Somebody is filling his head with stuff he wants to hear.
Dg west deptford Offline
#125 Posted:
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So, Fundamentally morality doesn't exist.

You could be wrong about that but,

It exists, just not Fundamentally.

It's emergent.

Specifically from corporate lizards.

Got it.

You cleared that right up Benny

Any more wisdom to impart?
bgz Offline
#126 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
So, Fundamentally morality doesn't exist.

You could be wrong about that but,

It exists, just not Fundamentally.

It's emergent.

Specifically from corporate lizards.

Got it.

You cleared that right up Benny

Any more wisdom to impart?


Yay!!!

Yes... when a photon goes from point a to point b, from it's perspective it's an instantaneous action that has no moral ambiguity... because there's no morality governing it.

There's hope for you yet.
Dg west deptford Offline
#127 Posted:
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^ or, are you suppressing the truth in unrighteousness

Photons have exposed your strawman
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#128 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Example of truth:

Brewha said OK, give just one absolute truth.

Then went on to double dog dare me.

That's 2



Coward.

And I never said that; I wrote it.

So the bar for "Absolute Truth" is kinda on the ground....
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#129 Posted:
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...there shall, in that time, be rumors of things going astray, errrm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things wi - with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock. Yea, it is written in the book of Cyril that...
bgz Offline
#130 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
^ or, are you suppressing the truth in unrighteousness

Photons have exposed your strawman


Go look up strawman...

And photons...

And you'll probably want to look up exposed.

And truth in unrighteousness is just spooky language...

While you're at it, go look up truth!
Dg west deptford Offline
#131 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Coward.

And I never said that; I wrote it.

So the bar for "Absolute Truth" is kinda on the ground....


Is it absolutely true you wrote it?

I apologize for always being entertained by fools who deny truth always wanting definitions for obvious knowledge.

The funnest part is the definitions always refute you.

Just to brave (lol)

An obvious absolute truth:

Truth is that which corresponds to reality & fact.

You deny the necessary foundation for argumentation then steal it from me to make knowledge claims
Dg west deptford Offline
#132 Posted:
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Ben, we could get into the revelations of photons but I don't do Bible studies with truth deniers

You want more definitions but you haven't graduated from phenomenon yet!
you deny the reason for reason then try & reason against reason

Using reason

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up & hurry off as if nothing had happened

Winston

You have wearied me, but there's a Friend that sticks closer then a brother. ✌️
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#133 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Is it absolutely true you wrote it?

I apologize for always being entertained by fools who deny truth always wanting definitions for obvious knowledge.

The funnest part is the definitions always refute you.

Just to brave (lol)

An obvious absolute truth:

Truth is that which corresponds to reality & fact.

You deny the necessary foundation for argumentation then steal it from me to make knowledge claims

Yes, it is an absolute truth.

And it is absolutely true that I was not lying.

In fact I have absolutely never lied.






And Truth is even less simple than you think….
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#134 Posted:
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it's in the bottom of that bottle he's been sipping
Brewha Offline
#135 Posted:
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Well at least we know where the Fountain of Truth springs from…
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Ben, we could get into the revelations of photons but I don't do Bible studies with truth deniers

You want more definitions but you haven't graduated from phenomenon yet!
you deny the reason for reason then try & reason against reason

Using reason

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up & hurry off as if nothing had happened

Winston

You have wearied me, but there's a Friend that sticks closer then a brother. ✌️


This guy called me a truth denyer, lmfao...

Deny the reason for reason? That statement has no meaning... And reason against reason... That's equally absurd.

I believe it's absolutely true that you sir are batsh*t

Brewha Offline
#137 Posted:
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Dg, when you say “Absolute Truth”, are you talking about a Vodka drink?
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God is absolute truth to those of us who know God exists. To those who know God doesn't exist physics is absolute truth. Many of us who know God exists also know physics is absolute truth and they are mutually inclusive due to God's intelligent design.
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#139 Posted:
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Thank you Allen! But my assertion is everyone knows God exists.

Or else how would anyone KNOW anything?

What is the basis of knowledge?

Epistemology is a fatal problem for self proclaimed atheists/agnostics

If you could be wrong about everything you think you know than you could even be wrong about that.
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Thank you Allen! But my assertion is everyone knows God exists.

Or else how would anyone KNOW anything?

What is the basis of knowledge?

Epistemology is a fatal problem for self proclaimed atheists/agnostics

If you could be wrong about everything you think you know than you could even be wrong about that.

As an agnostic, I can assure you that philosophy and the nature of knowledge are no trouble at all. Not problems as such.

Dg, you have a penchant for asking nebulous questions that you don‘t seem to have reasonable answers for.
That are often built on the circular logic of God is the answer to any and all questions.

Now claiming that all knowledge comes from god is convenient and I’m sure comforting. But it doesn’t really answer anything. Nothing at all in fact.
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God did it .. logic.
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Speyside2 wrote:
God is absolute truth to those of us who know God exists. To those who know God doesn't exist physics is absolute truth. Many of us who know God exists also know physics is absolute truth and they are mutually inclusive due to God's intelligent design.

I have never seen a conflict between science and god.

The conflict comes between science and a given religion because they may disagree on some point, like how long it took the earth to form.
Dg west deptford Offline
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That's fine Brew, you're "without knowledge"

Do you know that to be true though?
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Dg west deptford wrote:
That's fine Brew, you're "without knowledge"

Do you know that to be true though?

I know why the religious speak pejoratively on the nonbelievers.

Do you?
HockeyDad Offline
#145 Posted:
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‘Cause you’re Godless savages?
bgz Offline
#146 Posted:
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I'm going to go with HD's answer as well Alex.
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#147 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
‘Cause you’re Godless savages?

Yeah……I deserved that…..
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Dg west deptford wrote:
That's fine Brew, you're "without knowledge"


Makes no sense... you speak more sentences that have no meaning than any person I've met.

Dg west deptford wrote:

Do you know that to be true though?


You're asking him if a nonsensical statement is true...

I've said it once, I'll say it again... you're not qualified.

There exists an argument, I've heard it, I don't agree with it, most of it gets destroyed with experimental evidence and facts (facts that are actually observed and known to be true). Seriously, there is only credence to the argument for those who refuse to accept our modern understanding of the universe... you simply refuse to learn... we call that phenomenon ignorance.

Your problem is, is you can't even frame the argument correctly, you just go on this nonsensical rant and call it logic.

I know this is fun for you, but I certainly hope you understand that you got gaps in your "knowledge". I can't even get you to understand the prerequisites necessary to understand some of my arguments... Also, I know how to formulate your argument better than you do... and that's sad (No, I'm not going to teach you the argument). Therefore I can't really have a good argument with you.
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You assume too much Ben.

Just because I don't answer a fool according to his folly doesn't mean I can't answer.

You are correct that you could argue my point better than me as you have consistently done that since day one.
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I McLov it - I really do.
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