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JGKAMIN Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2022, 11:52 AM EST
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Gotta love how tough on crime they are. Congressman Zeldin gets attacked by somebody with a weapon while on stage at a campaign stop, the assailant was processed and immediately release on his own recognizance. Luckily, nobody was hurt, and this loony may have given Zeldin’s campaign a huge boost given these events.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-saw-red-flags-during-ny-attack-mad-at-release/
Dg west deptford Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2022, 10:44 PM EST
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Well at least the attacker of the congressman didn't have contempt for congress

2 years for that ( if you support Trump)

Crime is bad though DA Bragg should arrest the witnesses who restrained the attacker & charge them with murder.
Major Boobage Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2022, 10:56 AM EST
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You are not a very smart person. Are you a recovering addict?
Brewha Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2022, 11:43 AM EST
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I would describe him as a fundamentalist.
With no recovery in sight….
RayR Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 11:35 AM EST
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Disregarding the previous 2 Boobus comments...back to some news

Suspected Lee Zeldin attacker David Jakubonis arrested on federal assault charge

Quote:
The troubled Army veteran who allegedly attacked US Rep. Lee Zeldin during a gubernatorial campaign stop near Rochester was hit with a federal assault charge Saturday, authorities revealed.

David Jakubonis “willfully” assaulted the congressman and Republican candidate for governor of New York “with a dangerous weapon” in Perinton on Thursday evening, an FBI agent alleged in a criminal complaint filed in United States District Court. Zeldin, 42, was unhurt.

Jakubonis allegedly violated a federal law against intentionally assaulting a federal lawmaker or member of the Executive Branch, according to the six-page affidavit written by Special Agent Timothy Klapec.

Jakubonis claimed to sheriff’s office investigators he “did not know” who Zeldin was, and that he “must have checked out,” but the federal statute doesn’t require the prosecution to prove that a suspect is aware of a victim’s position to charge someone under that law. Jakubonis also told investigators that he had drunk whiskey on Thursday, according to the affidavit.

More...

https://nypost.com/2022/07/23/suspected-lee-zeldin-attacker-david-jakubonis-arrested-on-federal-assault-charge/
Major Boobage Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 2:18 PM EST
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Why are most recovering addicts such experts in gods will?
bgz Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 2:54 PM EST
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The faith is only strong till the next hit.
Dg west deptford Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 2:59 PM EST
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Mercy
8trackdisco Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 3:22 PM EST
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Major Boobage wrote:
You are not a very smart person. Are you a recovering addict?


What is wrong with being a recovering addict?

Takes a hell of a lot more being one in Recovery vs actively using?

Why do you feel compelled to chit on people trying to rebuild and make themselves better?
Dg west deptford Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 3:30 PM EST
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Keep in mind 8,

Benny or (boob) or whatever name he's going by doesn't believe in morality.
Major Boobage Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 3:32 PM EST
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They were two separate thoughts.
bgz Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 3:35 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Keep in mind 8,

Benny or (boob) or whatever name he's going by doesn't believe in morality.


Morality is an emergent phenomenon... and oh ya, I forgot I was him, or him is I... that's right, I remember now. My apologies for being so callous, my alter ego can be a bit of a bad influence.
Dg west deptford Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 3:41 PM EST
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Let's explore the word phenomenon
Brewha Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 5:47 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Morality is an emergent phenomenon... and oh ya, I forgot I was him, or him is I... that's right, I remember now. My apologies for being so callous, my alter ego can be a bit of a bad influence.

Actually, morality goes far back to group and tribal humans. Natural selection favors those groups that take care of each other. And so morals and rules of courtesy evolved. These norms are not isolated to mammals.
bgz Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 6:14 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Actually, morality goes far back to group and tribal humans. Natural selection favors those groups that take care of each other. And so morals and rules of courtesy evolved. These norms are not isolated to mammals.



So emergent then?
Dg west deptford Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 6:23 PM EST
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Benny doesn't believe in such a thing as a phenomenon.

It contradicts his worldview.

Emergent is the strawman word alert
bgz Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 6:25 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Benny doesn't believe in such a thing as a phenomenon.

It contradicts his worldview.

Emergent is the strawman word alert


Huh?

See, it's gibberish like this that makes it so I can't have a real argument with you.

Like...

Define "Belief in a phenomenon"...

And please explain how claiming something is emergent equates to a strawman (this I gotta hear)...
Dg west deptford Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 6:27 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Actually, morality goes far back to ......


And so morals and rules of courtesy evolved. These norms are not isolated to mammals.



Oh Brew please don't tell me you Justify morality with cold blooded hairless corporate reptiles like Benny.
bgz Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 6:30 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Oh Brew please don't tell me you Justify morality with cold blooded hairless corporate reptiles like Benny.


Do you know what strawman means?

I don't think you do.
Dg west deptford Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 6:35 PM EST
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Socratic method doesn't do as well if I answer all the questions for you but ok
See if this helps


phe·nom·e·non
/fəˈnäməˌnän,fəˈnäməˌnən/
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noun
1.
a fact or situation that is observed to exist or happen, especially one whose cause or explanation is in question
Brewha Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 6:52 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
So emergent then?

It appears so.

On an unrelated note, science is coming to see that time is also an emergent quality…..but I digress.
Brewha Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 6:54 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Oh Brew please don't tell me you Justify morality with cold blooded hairless corporate reptiles like Benny.

I was not justifying morality. Just pointing to its origin.

Ben notwithstanding.
bgz Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 7:36 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
It appears so.

On an unrelated note, science is coming to see that time is also an emergent quality…..but I digress.


... And space for that matter...

I have come to the "belief" of the emergence of spacetime.

Call it a belief in a phenomenon if you will.
Brewha Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2022, 8:14 PM EST
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If true, wouldn’t that be phenomenal……
Dg west deptford Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 4:55 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I was not justifying morality. Just pointing to its origin.

Ben notwithstanding.


Is that absolutely true, or could you be wrong about that?
Brewha Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 5:52 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Is that absolutely true, or could you be wrong about that?

Anyone could be wrong on any given point.

With a preponderance of the evidence and application of sound logic we arrive at “theory” and these become working theories. This is how we build aircraft and pay taxes.

Newton’s work built our mechanized world, yet he was shown to not be completely correct by Einstein.

If there is an absolute truth, it is that all truth is mutable. Relative to the observer, or test at hand.

I will grant you out of hand that within religious beliefs there are “absolute truths”.
But these are personal truths. And have a different standard of proof.
Dg west deptford Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:13 PM EST
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Is that absolutely true
Dg west deptford Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:14 PM EST
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Because then that's 2
Brewha Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:18 PM EST
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Perhaps you could expand upon you question a bit.

I believed I answered the absolutely true part.
ZRX1200 Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 7:28 PM EST
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It was so easy living day by day
Out of touch with the rhythm and blues
But now I need a little give and take
The New York Times, The Daily News
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