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According to NewsNation this morning.

We really need to speed up the defunding of the police to quell the violence.

Just to get out in front of the Right here, let me be the first to say:

"Guns are NEVER the problem"

And they shoot people somewhat less.....

Yup, and I'm sure they won't resort to stabbing, bludgeoning, and general beating and kicking

Can we agree that Thomas Jefferson was a brilliant man? Can we also agree that Cesare Beccaria was also brilliant when it came to crimes and punishment?

Well... here's what ol' Tommy had to say when speaking of Beccaria's treatise on crimes and punishment...

"A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniencies, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, "Be thou a slave;" who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to bear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons."

But some folks believe they're smarter than the smartest men. Fools, I tell ya... fools.

Greenwood Park Mall...

Armed 22 year old stops a mass shooting in its friggin' tracks. Hit the bad guy 8/10 times from what was reportedly 40 yards. With a handgun. Carried legally. Didn't hit anyone else. Many lives were very likely saved as the dbag had 100 rounds.

And there we have it. Guns are not the problem.

It takes people to use a gun so people must be the problem.

Or maybe bullets are the problem, I mean guns themselves don't actually kill people - it's the bullets, and the people who fire them.

No, that's too grainy. let's stick with people are the problem. Bad people.

And laws don't work on bad people, so no need to have laws about people being bad.

So in the end, 450+ shootings is all because of bad people. And there is really nothing you can do about that.

And you really can't tell if someone is bad - till they shoot someone - so no way to stop bad people from - uh, being bad. With a gun.

No, not a thing you could do....

What? I thought I capture the "common wisdom" fairly well....




Seriously SOB, "The Problem" is not recognizing the danger of freely distributing guns to anyone who wants one.

Add to the fear that any regulation will end in no citizen being able to own a gun or a ginsu.

Hell people here actually question the value of, and need for, laws.




We live in the wild west and it will get a lot worse from here.
Squat and watch now as our friends tell us that more guns is the only answer...

Was I using too many big words again macs?

Let's forego the "guns are freely distributed to anyone" portion of your statement, because it's been covered repeatedly in recent threads and it's still bullchit.

Your view amounts to all the guns should be taken away. I know, I know, AR15s and high capacity mags. But AR15s are a tiny sliver of the deaths you're concerned about. So once they're banned, and the rate of firearm deaths remains largely unchanged, will people decide they need a different strategy, or double down and hit up handguns next?

It's not fear. It's recognition of logical progression in those who have misplaced their fear

No, that is not my view.

I would settle for a "well regulated militia".

But regulation of fire arms is both bad and useless - right?






But, let me ask you; what is the problem? Is there even a problem?
You know, 450 shootings is kinda small potatoes if you look at it the right way. And it didn't happen in my back yard.

Can we trust that anyone even got shot at all?

My option on what our gun regulations should be has been well stated. But I'm interested in if you think there even is a problem. Is there?


To keep in the spirt, many of those 450 were prolly asking for it, of just some boys horsing around. And I'm sure the rest - if it even happened - were pure self defense.


8track could be pushing fake news, ya know....

Whatever gun regulations you want, we already have it in California. It is an easy case study.

I didn’t get no Trump/Biden Covid checks either.

Yes, we already have that too. We even have carbon credits. (And .30 a KWH)

I do believe there's a problem. I also believe it's largely a mental health problem. And I believe the violence will continue with or without guns unless it is addressed.

Sarcasm noted, but statistics would indicate that a decent % of those shootings are likely in self defense. Am I blanketing all 450+ as justifiable in direct opposition to how that fear mongering figure is portrayed? Hell no. I'm not blind, just disagree with your position

All the GUBMENT has to do is write a law outlawing crazy people. Then nobody will be crazy. 🤪

You are as constant as the Northern Star.
Rather than debate the issue, just start calling people stooopid.

Do you think that makes you look smart?

Oh, you get confused between sarcasm and personal insults.

Ok,
Sarcasm: “what, are you stupid?”
Insult: “Damn, you’re stupid”

I fine point I will grant you.

Correct. Here are the numbers shared on NewsNation this morning.

In NYC, shootings and homicides are down. Robberies, burglaries and assaults are higher than usual. Up 30%.

Minneapolis, burglaries are up 6%, thefts 31% and carjackings up 14%.

Brewha is right. It isn’t about guns.

A conflicted man and the standard bearer and father of the Democratic Party. He’s happy he is dead. He wouldn’t have a chance speak on college campus and would be banned from Twitter.

Certainly he believed in accountability.

He also believed in um…… diversity in the sheets.

News Nation. Morning in America. You can find the stories on cable and likely through app and the interweb.

What do “common people” look like?

Peeps like you and me 8.

Not so sure about Ray….

Remember when the UN said, in 1989, that because of global warming sea rise would bury some countries by the year 2000?

Yeeeeaahhhh... over 2 decades ago. No countries sank or were covered by water. Clearly that was some fake news. Lie and lie and lie trying to scare people and they will think your full of chit.