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8trackdisco Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 6:54 AM EST
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Caught this on the news this morning.

Murdoch, owns Wall Street Journal and Fox News has signaled Trump’s time is over. Link provided below so Brewha doesn’t suggest I’m “Fake Newsing” it.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/on-balance-with-leland-vittert/vittert-trump-loses-his-most-important-supporter/

Hoping this will catch on- the dissolving of Trump and quickly.
Democrats will celebrate it, and ironically it will cost them.

My wife, a conservative Republican didn’t vote for Trump the second time around. She’s already said she won’t vote for him in 2024. She would vote for any reasonable Republican. Which in her mind is any Republican not named Trump.

Betting she isn’t nearly the only conservative Republican who feels the same way.

As a non Republican Conservative, I’m hopeful of the Murdoch push to be successful, endure the month of Democrats celebrating their victory lap, and having the country get back on the rails again with a conservative government in power in 2024.
JadeRose Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 9:11 AM EST
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Agreed. We need to clear house on both sides of the deck. Nutjobs and ancient people need to go.
bgz Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 9:20 AM EST
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Leave it to 8 to post something we all can agree on.
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 9:39 AM EST
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8track for President!
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 9:42 AM EST
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I think a lot of people are tired of “reasonable” RepubliCANTS and that’s a major factor in why we got Cheeto in the first place. “Reasonable” republicans haven’t shown strength in their beliefs and found compromise where reasonable. They’ve caved time after time for tax dollars and for promises to stay in DC and I think there are many who are just exhausted of the same old. And the lack of acknowledgment of the war footing a portion of the left is on, you CANNOT focus on compromise when the starting points of negotiations are a constantly moving goal post on one side.

What you saying sounds great but I think is ignoring an ugly truth that is really uncomfortable to face. This isn’t going to end well at this pace, and you’re going to have people willing to burn it to change direction.
bgz Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 10:15 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
This isn’t going to end well at this pace, and you’re going to have people willing to burn it to change direction.


There's people on both sides that want to burn it down.

Most of them are poor
HockeyDad Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 10:38 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
There's people on both sides that want to burn it down.

Most of them are poor


Poor people don’t matter as long as we keep them fat, drunk, stoned, and stupid.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 10:44 AM EST
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Bread and Circus 2.0
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 12:26 PM EST
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Right and who systematically legislates to keep people there?

The reasonable D’s and R’s.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 12:38 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Right and who systematically legislates to keep people there?

The reasonable D’s and R’s.


It’s the prudent thing to do. They will own nothing and be happy.
RayR Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 2:43 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I think a lot of people are tired of “reasonable” RepubliCANTS and that’s a major factor in why we got Cheeto in the first place. “Reasonable” republicans haven’t shown strength in their beliefs and found compromise where reasonable. They’ve caved time after time for tax dollars and for promises to stay in DC and I think there are many who are just exhausted of the same old. And the lack of acknowledgment of the war footing a portion of the left is on, you CANNOT focus on compromise when the starting points of negotiations are a constantly moving goal post on one side.

What you saying sounds great but I think is ignoring an ugly truth that is really uncomfortable to face. This isn’t going to end well at this pace, and you’re going to have people willing to burn it to change direction.


I hate the so-called "reasonable" Republicans, a.k.a. moderates, swamp creatures, compassionate conservatives, establishment Republicans, RINOs, etc...
They will play footsie with the left and sell out real conservatives and libertarians every time

Conservative icon Richard Viguerie once wrote, “It is hard for many conservatives to understand that establishment Republicans are the enemy,”
HockeyDad Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 3:05 PM EST
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Richard Viguerie was just joking.
MACS Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 5:32 PM EST
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Ask yourself, other than mean tweets... why do they hate him?

He's an a-hole, ain't no doubt about it. But had he not been attacked mercilessly (mostly with lies) from the jump, might he have been a little more "presidential"?

I don't want him to run again, at this point, not because I think he'd be bad but because I think the fkn swamp would never, ever allow him to win again. That was painfully obvious the second time around.

The first time around they gave him no shot... and when he won they did everything in their power with the help of the mainstream media narrative to ensure he wouldn't last. He did. Then they did everything to ensure he couldn't win again.
8trackdisco Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 7:38 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
8track for President!


Why would you promote such an awful thing to befall me?
8trackdisco Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 7:58 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Poor people don’t matter as long as we keep them fat, drunk, stoned, and stupid.


No no no.
It isn’t Fat Lives Matter! It is Black Lives Matter! ✊🏿…. Unless the mom wants it aborted.
8trackdisco Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:15 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I think a lot of people are tired of “reasonable” RepubliCANTS and that’s a major factor in why we got Cheeto in the first place. “Reasonable” republicans haven’t shown strength in their beliefs and found compromise where reasonable. They’ve caved time after time for tax dollars and for promises to stay in DC and I think there are many who are just exhausted of the same old. And the lack of acknowledgment of the war footing a portion of the left is on, you CANNOT focus on compromise when the starting points of negotiations are a constantly moving goal post on one side.

What you saying sounds great but I think is ignoring an ugly truth that is really uncomfortable to face. This isn’t going to end well at this pace, and you’re going to have people willing to burn it to change direction.


Is it so unreasonable for a moderate Independent ran for president?
If it is far left vs far right, that leaves a lot of bird in the middle.
If it HAS to be a Republican vs a Democrat, how about the both come from the center of the party.

It’s not like either red or flue extremists are going to not vote for the slightly faded jersey they have loved for the other hue.

Boggles my mind or short sighted and willfully blind with no situational awareness people are.

Although maybe I’m the idiot.
bgz Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:26 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Ask yourself, other than mean tweets... why do they hate him?

He's an a-hole, ain't no doubt about it. But had he not been attacked mercilessly (mostly with lies) from the jump, might he have been a little more "presidential"?

I don't want him to run again, at this point, not because I think he'd be bad but because I think the fkn swamp would never, ever allow him to win again. That was painfully obvious the second time around.

The first time around they gave him no shot... and when he won they did everything in their power with the help of the mainstream media narrative to ensure he wouldn't last. He did. Then they did everything to ensure he couldn't win again.


He just lies to everyone's face over and over again despite yuge evidence... And everyone with a half a brain can watch and listen to him and know he's a narcissistic lying sh*t bag.

Every once in a while someone comes along and tells people what they want to hear regardless of whether it's true or not...

And they try to sell you something.

Already heard the pitch... Didn't buy it the first time either... Or the 2nd... 3rd... Etc...
Whistlebritches Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:37 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Is it so unreasonable for a moderate Independent ran for president?
If it is far left vs far right, that leaves a lot of bird in the middle.
If it HAS to be a Republican vs a Democrat, how about the both come from the center of the party.

It’s not like either red or flue extremists are going to not vote for the slightly faded jersey they have loved for the other hue.

Boggles my mind or short sighted and willfully blind with no situational awareness people are.

Although maybe I’m the idiot.



Fence sitters lack direction and are easily manipulated...........is that what you want in a president???

I want a conservative............ a Reagan conservative who can appease the dimwits on the left while at the same time putting the screws to them.
Whistlebritches Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:38 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
He just lies to everyone's face over and over again despite yuge evidence... And everyone with a half a brain can watch and listen to him and know he's a narcissistic lying sh*t bag.

Every once in a while someone comes along and tells people what they want to hear regardless of whether it's true or not...

And they try to sell you something.

Already heard the pitch... Didn't buy it the first time either... Or the 2nd... 3rd... Etc...



So how do you feel about the Biden administration???
Major Boobage Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:47 PM EST
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A Reagan conservative would never go along with trump.

MACS really swallowed the load lmao. Trump thinks MACS is a chump. If MACS doesn’t snap out of it soon Trump will be proved right.

No Biden. No whomever our forgettable VP is. No Trump. No Pence. For god sake no Clinton’s.

Let’s start over and shoot for something better instead of digging in to defend what we were wrong about. True it. It was awful. Change course.

Don’t be so ducking stupid every ducking cycle. You are being used.
Major Boobage Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:49 PM EST
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And duck Celtic Bomber. He Will ultimately suck **** in hell
Whistlebritches Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:50 PM EST
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Major Boobage wrote:
And duck Celtic Bomber. He Will ultimately suck **** in hell



On this we agree Ben
Major Boobage Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:53 PM EST
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Anyone that thinks I’m Ben should question their thought process on most everything.

Maybe just maybe your worldview is wrong
MACS Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:54 PM EST
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I give less than zero shits what you think, Ben. No matter what account you use.

You think this absolute train wreck, dumpster fire of an admin is better than Trump, then you're the one swallowing loads.

Enjoy.
Speyside2 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 8:56 PM EST
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8, we have became a country of us vursus them in many ways. Politics, Religion, and Science to name just a few. You see this in much of the rest of the world also. I keep talking about symptoms, and saying they are not the problem. This is another symptom.

So what is the right question? Why is the world falling apart is the right question I believe. The lack of faith in God is the answer I believe. I will get ripped and people will not even take the time to understand my answer.

First, let's only use the word religion once. I am speaking of something different, faith. The extreme fundamentalists on the far right want their religion to run the world. The extreme fundamentalists on the far left want faith in God to cease to exist.

Let the fun begin.
Speyside2 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 9:17 PM EST
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I will comment directly to one person, he is fun to debate with. BGZ, you say I will never have empirical proof that God exists. You are right. I will counter with this. You have no empirical proof that there ever was or is energy outside the known universe. I am right.

Do people have the inherent morality Brewha speaks of? I do not think so. If they did then the anarchistic world Ray wants would already be here. So let's look at that word faith. There is a direct implication that faith causes morality. To me this causes morality whether God exists or not. Since the result is good, why would anyone not want faith to exist?

In closing we will never empirically know if God exists or not, it is a matter of faith. We will never empirically know about energy outside the known universe, that also is faith. Both are similar, with one major difference. You know random energy created the universe. I know infinite conscious energy which is God created the universe.
Speyside2 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 9:21 PM EST
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If I can summarize for DG, we do not believe God exists, we know God.
CelticBomber Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2022, 9:26 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Ask yourself, other than mean tweets... why do they hate him?

He's an a-hole, ain't no doubt about it. But had he not been attacked mercilessly (mostly with lies) from the jump, might he have been a little more "presidential"?

I don't want him to run again, at this point, not because I think he'd be bad but because I think the fkn swamp would never, ever allow him to win again. That was painfully obvious the second time around.

The first time around they gave him no shot... and when he won they did everything in their power with the help of the mainstream media narrative to ensure he wouldn't last. He did. Then they did everything to ensure he couldn't win again.


“We worked very hard to keep our fingerprints off of these proposals. Because we thought — correctly, I think — that the only way the American people would know that a great debate was going on was if the measures were not bipartisan.”

- Mitch McConnell talking about how Republicans worked very hard to make sure Obama got as little done as possible.

Please don't act like Trump was treat any differently than the Presidents before and after his term.

Trumps own Chief of Staff admitted as much.

Chris Wallace: "You were there, of what the Republicans did to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on Benghazi, on Fast and Furious. And they got some things done despite the fact that these were aggressive partisan investigations."


Mick Mulvaney: "Well, we didn’t get very much done. Listen, I’ll be the first to admit that when the tea party wave, of which I was one, got here in 2011, the last thing we were interested in was giving President Obama legislative successes."
8trackdisco Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 7:53 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Ask yourself, other than mean tweets... why do they hate him?

He's an a-hole, ain't no doubt about it. But had he not been attacked mercilessly (mostly with lies) from the jump, might he have been a little more "presidential"?

I don't want him to run again, at this point, not because I think he'd be bad but because I think the fkn swamp would never, ever allow him to win again. That was painfully obvious the second time around.

The first time around they gave him no shot... and when he won they did everything in their power with the help of the mainstream media narrative to ensure he wouldn't last. He did. Then they did everything to ensure he couldn't win again.


Why the hate? Forgetting for the moment the mutual, prevailing right-left hate, it was the initial shock of his winning.
Hillary representing all the unsavory elements of politics vs Trump the populist. Purely guessing here that the Trump voters were in three near equal segments. 1- Voting for the Tell it Like It Is Tump. 2- Voting for the Republican candidate. 3- The Burn it all Down crowd.

Add to that his tougher immigration stance and the Dems have taken several shots to the balls.

He’s like what I would Imagine it would be like being in a Massachusetts sports bar with a drunk Tailgator.

The spectrum would go like this…

TAILGATOR, great to see you!
(15 minutes of Red Sox talk later) Tailgator is a good dude.
(30 minutes of Celtics talk) Tailgator is loaded, but this is still fun.
(45 minutes of Patriots Didn’t Ever Cheat Talk). Okay, I need to get out of here.
Now he’s near screaming incoherently, something about the Bruins, the beer I’m drinking is chit). When is this guy going to take a pizz so I can get outta here!
8trackdisco Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 7:57 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Fence sitters lack direction and are easily manipulated...........is that what you want in a president???

I want a conservative............ a Reagan conservative who can appease the dimwits on the left while at the same time putting the screws to them.



Still love the idea of a real, three party system. Most Americans are in the middle. Aren’t we supposed to be a representative Republic? Most of us are not being properly represented.

If I had to vote for one of the two parties, I’d hope for a fiscally responsible, moderate conservative. Conservative in the sense of conserving resources, cleaner air and water, planting more trees than are harvested and burned, along with the classic Republican lower taxes, border and national security.
MACS Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:01 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Still love the idea of a real, three party system. Most Americans are in the middle. Aren’t we supposed to be a representative Republic? Most of us are not being properly represented.


No argument there.
8trackdisco Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:07 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
On this we agree Ben


Here’s a different perspective.

For CB, is sucking a bunch of dikcs more like Heaven?
RayR Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:07 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Still love the idea of a real, three party system. Most Americans are in the middle. Aren’t we supposed to be a representative Republic? Most of us are not being properly represented.


Problem #1: Most Americans can't juggle more than 2 balls in their head at a time
Problem #2: The other 2 Parties won't allow vigorous public debate which might make them both look stupid.
8trackdisco Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:09 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
I give less than zero shits what you think, Ben. No matter what account you use.

You think this absolute train wreck, dumpster fire of an admin is better than Trump, then you're the one swallowing loads.

Enjoy.


Multiple account user outrage!

Although I do remember, someone close to me told me he wasn’t Eddie Haskell- but he was, soooo. There is that. Whistle
8trackdisco Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:13 AM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
8, we have became a country of us vursus them in many ways. Politics, Religion, and Science to name just a few. You see this in much of the rest of the world also. I keep talking about symptoms, and saying they are not the problem. This is another symptom.

So what is the right question? Why is the world falling apart is the right question I believe. The lack of faith in God is the answer I believe. I will get ripped and people will not even take the time to understand my answer.

First, let's only use the word religion once. I am speaking of something different, faith. The extreme fundamentalists on the far right want their religion to run the world. The extreme fundamentalists on the far left want faith in God to cease to exist.

Let the fun begin.


Agree with much of that. Politicians/governments get off on being able to tell people what to do.
Loss of closeness to God certainly is a contributing factor. Just living and trying to be a better person.
8trackdisco Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:16 AM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
I will comment directly to one person, he is fun to debate with. BGZ, you say I will never have empirical proof that God exists. You are right. I will counter with this. You have no empirical proof that there ever was or is energy outside the known universe. I am right.

Do people have the inherent morality Brewha speaks of? I do not think so. If they did then the anarchistic world Ray wants would already be here. So let's look at that word faith. There is a direct implication that faith causes morality. To me this causes morality whether God exists or not. Since the result is good, why would anyone not want faith to exist?

In closing we will never empirically know if God exists or not, it is a matter of faith. We will never empirically know about energy outside the known universe, that also is faith. Both are similar, with one major difference. You know random energy created the universe. I know infinite conscious energy which is God created the universe.


Happily care free on whether people agree or disagree with my perspective of faith/God; you don’t have to have Proof if you have Faith.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:18 AM EST
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and ya gotta have Faith...Faith...Faith...Baybee!
8trackdisco Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:19 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
Problem #1: Most Americans can't juggle more than 2 balls in their head at a time
Problem #2: The other 2 Parties won't allow vigorous public debate which might make them both look stupid.



There we go. It’s deflating, however, Problem #2 rules our political world.

That 18% Ross Perot got scared the living daylights out of Red Coke and Blue Pepsi.
8trackdisco Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:20 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
and ya gotta have Faith...Faith...Faith...Baybee!


… putting George Michael in a persons head is just…. Plain….mean.

Now wake me up before you go go.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:22 AM EST
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Put your hand in mine...
MACS Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:37 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Multiple account user outrage!

Although I do remember, someone close to me told me he wasn’t Eddie Haskell- but he was, soooo. There is that. Whistle


Was that Blackfoot?
8trackdisco Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 9:20 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Was that Blackfoot?


…. Racist.
HockeyDad Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 9:57 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
… putting George Michael in a persons head is just…. Plain….mean.

Now wake me up before you go go.


All we have to do now
Is take these lies and
Make them true somehow
All we have to see
Is that I don't belong to you
And you don't
Belong to me yeah, yeah
bgz Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 10:38 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
On this we agree Ben


I'm just putting this here as proof you agreed with me about something.
Speyside2 Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 10:39 AM EST
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He must have been drunk posting.
CelticBomber Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 10:48 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Here’s a different perspective.

For CB, is sucking a bunch of dikcs more like Heaven?



Is somebody's anti-rage against the machine medication not working anymore? It's okay kitten. It's all gonna be okay.

Big Hug
MACS Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 1:00 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
…. Racist.


Well, um... blackfoot is white, ya see.
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#48 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 1:46 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
“We worked very hard to keep our fingerprints off of these proposals. Because we thought — correctly, I think — that the only way the American people would know that a great debate was going on was if the measures were not bipartisan.”

- Mitch McConnell talking about how Republicans worked very hard to make sure Obama got as little done as possible.

Please don't act like Trump was treat any differently than the Presidents before and after his term.

Trumps own Chief of Staff admitted as much.

Chris Wallace: "You were there, of what the Republicans did to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on Benghazi, on Fast and Furious. And they got some things done despite the fact that these were aggressive partisan investigations."


Mick Mulvaney: "Well, we didn’t get very much done. Listen, I’ll be the first to admit that when the tea party wave, of which I was one, got here in 2011, the last thing we were interested in was giving President Obama legislative successes."

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Celtic, I appreciate that there are always two sides to this issue, but scale/scope is important. Remind when it was that Obama was confronted by the nearly entire mainstream media, the Department of Justice, the FBI and Congressional impeachment based on a flat out lie about him? I mean, people questioned his birth cerificate and got angry when he lied about keeping our health care plans. Whoop-dee-franking-doo...
ZRX1200 Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 4:18 PM EST
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8 I don’t think you’re dumb or wrong.

My point is we’re past your desire to work, its like putting heads in the sand hoping mom and dad quit arguing. I’m saying mom and dad need to be locked up where they can keep their wakes effecting eachother not the country.

Tell me how much faith you have right now that our founding principles are followed. The basic ground rules or bumper rails are being adhered to honorably……there is no compromise to be had in this climate. This climate isn’t compromise it’s COMPLY.
8trackdisco Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Jul 27 2022, 8:53 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:

Tell me how much faith you have right now that our founding principles are followed. The basic ground rules or bumper rails are being adhered to honorably……there is no compromise to be had in this climate. This climate isn’t compromise it’s COMPLY.


Faith on a 1 to 10? 2. Maybe 3.

Geo Washington warned of the two party system. Most agree now he was right.
We have Biden now because of Trump. We got Trump because of Obama. We got Obama because of Bush.
Bush (to me anyway) was the great hope, because I didn’t like Clinton. Then he Iraqed us.

We are on a path with ends in a potential worst case scenario. Maybe two elections from now with three negative outcomes.
1- Fascism.
2- Socialism.
3- Civil War Lite (class warfare).

We’ll weaken ourselves to the point where we are a #2 world power and limp dikcs on the world stage.
Russia already testing our resolve now for the second time in eight years. Taiwan and 30% of our semi conductors are gone with China’s invasion. North Korea finally rolls the dice with another 35% of our semiconductors gone.

That cripples our manufacturing for a decade (even with the semiconductor bill which may pass through congress) as it will take a long time to get those businesses for full production.

So I guess, we try to pick our poisons between 1 and 2 and hope 3 doesn’t happen.
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