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Trump says Mar-a-Lago is under siege by FBI
RayR Offline
#101 Posted:
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^ Peaking of a TDS muddled brain
drglnc Offline
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RayR wrote:
Oh ya! Sure sure sure...now they say they were looking for classified documents on nukes. That's a good one. Totally believable to idjuts. I heard the agents refused to present the search warrant too.

Contrary to Brewha's TDS muddled brain, these are banana republic tactics, to try to smear Trump and his endorsed candidates for the upcoming midterms. The whole drama of the raid with goons and flashing lights is banana republic political theater.


you heard ? i guess people are saying so it must be true... Trump lawyer CHRISTINA BOBB (as well as another of his lawyers) was onsite and was presented the warrant prior to the search by her own account. She was also presented a manifest after they were done of what was taken as is required by law... Trumps team has had the warrant info and manifest since Monday and could make it public if they want as he claims he does... for the Government to make it public a process must be followed which is underway according to the FBI.


rfenst Offline
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drglnc wrote:
you heard ? i guess people are saying so it must be true... Trump lawyer CHRISTINA BOBB (as well as another of his lawyers) was onsite and was presented the warrant prior to the search by her own account. She was also presented a manifest after they were done of what was taken as is required by law... Trumps team has had the warrant info and manifest since Monday and could make it public if they want as he claims he does... for the Government to make it public a process must be followed which is underway according to the FBI.

Your reply is too real-world for him to comprehend when all things are fairly considered.
RayR Offline
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drglnc wrote:
you heard ? i guess people are saying so it must be true... Trump lawyer CHRISTINA BOBB (as well as another of his lawyers) was onsite and was presented the warrant prior to the search by her own account. She was also presented a manifest after they were done of what was taken as is required by law... Trumps team has had the warrant info and manifest since Monday and could make it public if they want as he claims he does... for the Government to make it public a process must be followed which is underway according to the FBI.




I also heard CHRISTINA BOBB said Trump won the election by millions, but now you believe what CNN told you about what she said? And you believe the FBI is an honest institution that follows the rules?


Well, it appears the lady said she wasn't allowed to see the whole thing while the Gestapo was already raiding the place...

Quote:
"A search warrant for the raid of former President Donald Trump's lavish Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida was "very" thin, his lawyer claims.

Christina Bobb was one of the three attorneys for Trump who reportedly arrived on the scene Monday after FBI agents began to search the property. Bobb said after a brief back-and-forth with the agents that she managed to see the search warrant but was not allowed to see the affidavit that contains more details on why the search was permitted. Since the raid, which Trump himself revealed in a statement claiming he was the target of a political operation, there have been calls for him to release the warrant."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/search-warrant-very-thin-trump-lawyer-claims


Oh BTW...inform Robert
Stogie1020 Offline
#105 Posted:
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drgIng, you are suggesting Trump shold prove/demonstrate his innocence. He should not have to (nor should anyone). The government made their claims, and should be able to substantiate them.

Also, if DJT published the documents himself, wouldn't the assumption be tha that he doctored them? You know, because of the benefit of the doubt everyone would afford him?

Let the Gov't produce it so no one can claim DJT monkeyed with the affidavit or the return.
drglnc Offline
#106 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
drgIng, you are suggesting Trump shold prove/demonstrate his innocence. He should not have to (nor should anyone). The government made their claims, and should be able to substantiate them.

Also, if DJT published the documents himself, wouldn't the assumption be tha that he doctored them? You know, because of the benefit of the doubt everyone would afford him?

Let the Gov't produce it so no one can claim DJT monkeyed with the affidavit or the return.



as i mentioned and they have said publicly, the Gov is working to release the docs but that takes time... if he is so anxious for the release then he can do it today... we will all know it wasn't altered (i wouldn't assume it was) if/when the gov officially release it...
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RayR wrote:
I also heard CHRISTINA BOBB said Trump won the election by millions, but now you believe what CNN told you about what she said? And you believe the FBI is an honest institution that follows the rules?


Well, it appears the lady said she wasn't allowed to see the whole thing while the Gestapo was already raiding the place...



Oh BTW...inform Robert



she was presented the warrant that is all the law requires...
RayR Offline
#108 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
she was presented the warrant that is all the law requires...


Hmm...I see, so you can be presented with a search warrant backed up by an army of armed goons with automatic weapons and you have no right to know what it's all about. Maybe they should have disposed of all formalities and just done a no-knock raid, bust the doors down, and throw in some of those flash-bang bombs for good measure. 💣🎆
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RayR wrote:
Hmm...I see, so you can be presented with a search warrant backed up by an army of armed goons with automatic weapons and you have no right to know what it's all about. Maybe they should have disposed of all formalities and just done a no-knock raid, bust the doors down, and throw in some of those flash-bang bombs for good measure. 💣🎆



sooo.. you think the rules of a warrant should be different for trump then any other citizen?

The warrant says what they are looking for and where they are allowed to search... that's kind of what it is for...

after they are done you are also presented with an inventory of what they took and where it was taken from...
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RayR wrote:
Hmm...I see, so you can be presented with a search warrant backed up by an army of armed goons with automatic weapons and you have no right to know what it's all about. Maybe they should have disposed of all formalities and just done a no-knock raid, bust the doors down, and throw in some of those flash-bang bombs for good measure. 💣🎆


I’m not sure that would have worked unless there were some black people there to shoot.
HockeyDad Offline
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I look forward to the FBI raids on the Biden compounds. We have a new tradition.
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drglnc wrote:
"The classified documents Donald Trump allegedly took from the White House to Mar-a-Lago include information on nuclear weapons ... according to a new report on the FBI raid.

FBI agents tore though Trump's Florida resort looking for classified info on nukes, the Washington Post reports, with the feds concerned the documents might be in danger of being seen by the wrong eyes."


The ex-President's wife's wardrobe?

Frying pan horse Frying pan
RayR Offline
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drglnc wrote:
sooo.. you think the rules of a warrant should be different for trump then any other citizen?

The warrant says what they are looking for and where they are allowed to search... that's kind of what it is for...

after they are done you are also presented with an inventory of what they took and where it was taken from...


You are avoiding the issue, maybe you were there and you were privy to what was in the warrant but the Trump's lawyers said they weren't allowed to. Must have been some big secrets in that sealed warrant if only the issuers of the warrant were allowed to know what was in there and not the target of the warrant as the goons were going through Melania's underwear...

Trump's other lawyer Lindsey Halligan who was the second to arrive on scene, "Halligan says she and Bobb were barred from going inside the complex, forced to remain outside, between the ballroom and residence, on the grounds of Mar-a-Lago" and "Halligan said the search warrant was sealed, and because she had not been party to this aspect of Trump's legal portfolio until Monday, did not know what kinds of documents the FBI might be looking for nor what kinds of documents the former president keeps with him at Mar-a-Lago. Nonetheless, she insisted that the government's search "was an appalling display of abuse and power — complete overkill." She also asserted that "if they needed documents, they could have asked. There's never been an issue with compliance." Halligan said the search came as a "huge surprise."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mara-a-lago-fbi-search-lawyer/
CelticBomber Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The ex-President's wife's wardrobe?


Can you manufacture any more outrage? No one's ever thought of hiding stuff in a closet! Oh no! They searched her stuff just like they would at anyone else's house. Except at someone else's house they would have just thrown everything onto the floor.

I wonder what the media is going to tell you to be outraged by next! Can't wait!
HockeyDad Offline
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CelticBomber wrote:

I wonder what the media is going to tell you to be outraged by next! Can't wait!


You mean like Russian collusion or The January 6 nearly successful insurrection?
bgz Offline
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RayR wrote:
You are avoiding the issue, maybe you were there and you were privy to what was in the warrant but the Trump's lawyers said they weren't allowed to. Must have been some big secrets in that sealed warrant if only the issuers of the warrant were allowed to know what was in there and not the target of the warrant as the goons were going through Melania's underwear...

Trump's other lawyer Lindsey Halligan who was the second to arrive on scene, "Halligan says she and Bobb were barred from going inside the complex, forced to remain outside, between the ballroom and residence, on the grounds of Mar-a-Lago" and "Halligan said the search warrant was sealed, and because she had not been party to this aspect of Trump's legal portfolio until Monday, did not know what kinds of documents the FBI might be looking for nor what kinds of documents the former president keeps with him at Mar-a-Lago. Nonetheless, she insisted that the government's search "was an appalling display of abuse and power — complete overkill." She also asserted that "if they needed documents, they could have asked. There's never been an issue with compliance." Halligan said the search came as a "huge surprise."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mara-a-lago-fbi-search-lawyer/


So give trump's lawyers access to classified materials when they don't have a security clearance...

Are you f*cking stupid? Wait, don't answer that, I already know the answer to that one.
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HockeyDad wrote:
You mean like Russian collusion or The January 6 nearly successful insurrection?


So you agree it was an insurrection. Nice to be on the same page for once!

BTW The search warrant and what they found has been released. I'll give everyone time to edit their outraged posts before we continue.
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CelticBomber wrote:
So you agree it was an insurrection. Nice to be on the same page for once!

BTW The search warrant and what they found has been released. I'll give everyone time to edit their outraged posts before we continue.


It was a raging insurrection with Viking collusion that led to the downfall of the United States followed by an authoritarian counter revolution that ushered in a new era.
bgz Offline
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Valhalla > Heaven
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Has anyone seen the actual affidavit describing the need for, and support of the warrant? I can only seem to find the return (receipt) form and the listing of the premises to be searched.
HockeyDad Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Has anyone seen the actual affidavit describing the need for, and support of the warrant? I can only seem to find the return (receipt) form and the listing of the premises to be searched.


Hang on….it might be in my computer bag.
Stogie1020 Offline
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haha

Wait, you got the original Zapruder film in there too?
HockeyDad Offline
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I checked and didn’t have it. Found an old Covid-19 test and some gummy bears.
Stogie1020 Offline
#124 Posted:
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What flavor gummies? Interested in a trade?
rfenst Offline
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Here is a link to an article that contains the warrant and property receipt:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/11/trump-served-subpoena-mar-lago-before-fbi-search/10302760002/
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^But not the application with the affidavit outlining the probable cause.
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It's also quite notable that, despite these documents being SO super sensitive as to require a search warrant, the warrant was not executed for three days after it was signed by a judge... Trump could have sold the nuclear codes in those three days!
MACS Offline
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FBI needs to raid a former president's house... but can't name or arrest one single pedo after arresting Epstein and Maxwell?

Anyone who can't see what the dems are doing is blind as a bat.
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Well, it's not like he had classified stuff on a server that coulda been hacked and stuff.. that would be careless... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Poor Trump……
DrafterX Offline
#131 Posted:
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Guilty is guilty.. the raid and why is the question... others were treated hell of a lot better..
Mellow
Major Boobage Offline
#132 Posted:
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I underestimated the stupidity in here and how much you guys have in common with antifa and BLM.

CelticBomber Offline
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This the new 500?
rfenst Offline
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Why Trump's Mar-a-Lago Affidavit Is Still Under Wraps

Ex-prosecutors say DOJ has to protect ongoing investigations
Trump allies have focused attack line on a sealed affidavit


Bloomberg

Once the Justice Department announced it wouldn’t stand in the way of releasing the search warrant for Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, the president’s allies shifted tack, calling for the immediate release of more detailed information. That’s not likely to happen.

The Justice Department will want to keep an underlying affidavit for the warrant sealed to protect the investigation and any sources or classified information, former prosecutors said. It’s also not up to DOJ to decide whether to share something filed under seal -- as with the warrant, the department would have to make a request in court.

It would be highly unusual to see that affidavit now, let alone at any point before someone is formally charged, said Sarah Krissoff, a former federal prosecutor in New York now in private practice.

“If there are sources close to Trump who are providing that information, the department is going to be very careful about outing those sources,” she said.

The search warrant for Trump’s home would generally describe the location, what investigators are looking for, and what crimes are under investigation. A receipt of what items FBI agents took during Monday’s search is also likely to be unsealed, though it likely won’t include many details about the contents of documents.

Trump posted overnight on his social media site, Truth Social, that he wouldn’t oppose releasing those documents; he’s had copies since the search took place and could make them public at any time.

But with their demand for the release of the warrant and receipt met, those in Trump’s inner circle and conservative commentators have shifted to calling for the immediate publication of the affidavit, which is presented to the judge to support the warrant application.

Such an affidavit typically features a narrative explaining not only what crimes are under investigation, but also how investigators have been gathering information to date, what evidence they already have, and how they believe any evidence seized at the property they want to search will build on that probe.

Rudy Giuliani, a Trump ally and the former US attorney in Manhattan, tweeted Friday morning that “Garland must release the affidavit” -- a judge would decide whether to grant any request to unseal -- and that, “Right now we are getting the ‘run around.’” Similar calls have come from commentators like Trump’s former acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and Newsmax host Greta Van Susteren.

Christopher Slobogin, director of the Criminal Justice Program at Vanderbilt University, said that while the affidavit should eventually become public, the government “wouldn’t want to tip its hand too early” about the details of its probe. Prosecutors may want to keep information in the application secret until they present a case to a grand jury for a possible indictment, he said.

Information in the affidavit about what they learned from a source at Mar-a-Lago could expose the person even if their name is redacted, Slobogin said.

“The application should describe in a fair amount of detail how the informant came by the information, the basis of the informant’s information, and indicia of reliability -- why we can trust this informant,” Slobogin said. “There’s a lot of detail in a good warrant application that would help someone identify an informant.”

Any references to classified information would also give the DOJ a reason not to support unsealing the affidavit, Mary McCord, the former acting head of the department’s National Security Division, wrote in an email.

The Justice Department can’t unilaterally decide to declassify information; there are a series of steps that judges have to take to determine what classified information a defendant must have access to once they’re charged and what information the government must admit at trial to ensure a defendant’s rights are protected. Prosecutors can be forced to drop a case if they can’t reveal government secrets that a judge deems necessary.

“Nothing that is classified could be unsealed, so if there were consent from the government, it likely would be to the release of a heavily redacted version of the affidavit,” McCord wrote.

The Washington Post reported that FBI agents were looking for documents related to nuclear weapons during the Mar-a-Lago search; it wasn’t clear if those involved US weapons or weapons that belonged to another country. The New York Times reported that investigators were searching for materials related to highly sensitive operations. Earlier this summer, multiple outlets reported that a top DOJ counterintelligence official, Jay Bratt, was part of a team that visited Mar-a-Lago to review the materials in Trump’s possession; Bratt signed the department’s motion yesterday to unseal the search warrant.

Separate from the fight over public disclosure, Representative Mike Turner, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, told reporters that he wanted the Justice Department to turn over information to lawmakers that officials relied on to secure the search warrant.

“There’s nothing that would be the subject matter of this that cannot be disclosed to our committee,” Turner said. “We want to know what was this imminent national security threat upon which this was based.”
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RayR wrote:
Oh ya! Sure sure sure...now they say they were looking for classified documents on nukes. That's a good one. Totally believable to idjuts. I heard the agents refused to present the search warrant too.

Contrary to Brewha's TDS muddled brain, these are banana republic tactics, to try to smear Trump and his endorsed candidates for the upcoming midterms. The whole drama of the raid with goons and flashing lights is banana republic political theater.

you heard wrong
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, it's not like he had classified stuff on a server that coulda been hacked and stuff.. that would be careless... Mellow



Hmmmm crickets from the leftwing nut jobs that troll around here................Certainly no surprise
RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
you heard wrong


Already covered in #113. Try to keep up.

I go to Franks hut along with 40 FBI goons armed with AR15s and knock on the door.
Frank opens the door
I say we have a warrant here to search your house.
Frank asks, "for what?", what are you looking for?", I have the right to be secure in my person, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures", Let me read the warrant"
I say "NO, it's a super extra special secret, you can't open it and read it"
Banana Republic stuff. Frank likes bananas so he says "come on in then, can I show you where the wife keeps her lingerie too? I have my favorites that I like to wear."


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except I actually would know why had I been the one "negotiating" since January for the return of stuff I should not have stolen.

As I said earlier, none of this necessarily means any criminal charges will result, but per usual you have made decisions prior to facts.

You've become a sleeping pill.
RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
except I actually would know why had I been the one "negotiating" since January for the return of stuff I should not have stolen.

As I said earlier, none of this necessarily means any criminal charges will result, but per usual you have made decisions prior to facts.

You've become a sleeping pill.


Oh, this is getting even more interesting as facts of the regime's dirty deeds surface.
So you don't think this affair was a political hit job by the left, a desperate hail mary to try to raise their sinking popularity?
You wait for it Frank.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30WzPV2QE8

Interesting...
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30WzPV2QE8

Interesting...


Siracusa is absolutely correct that a president can declassify any documents he wants. He doesn't need a special stamp either. If the document has information that would be useful to foreign adversaries and may negatively impact the security of the States, then he should rightly go through proper channels for advice.
Every president has declassified and removed documents from the White House when leaving office but since this raid was a calculated political hit job on trying to prevent the return of Trump, he is being accused of espionage?
bgz Offline
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RayR wrote:
Siracusa is absolutely correct that a president can declassify any documents he wants. He doesn't need a special stamp either. If the document has information that would be useful to foreign adversaries and may negatively impact the security of the States, then he should rightly go through proper channels for advice.
Every president has declassified and removed documents from the White House when leaving office but since this raid was a calculated political hit job on trying to prevent the return of Trump, he is being accused of espionage?


So your argument is every president sneaks out national security sensitive documents and arbitrarily declassifies things based on whether or not it's going to save their own azz?

Is that your argument?

That's not a strawman, ... , that's exactly how it sounded in what you wrote.

...

Oh, he doesn't have the power to retroactively declassify sh*t as he sees fit... I think you believe he does.
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The blind devotion to Trump reminds me of Manson’s children.
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Who appointed the Judge that signed off on this while not having nearly the command over the legality as the rats blindly following the pied piper towards Rosenbergville?
RayR Offline
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bgz wrote:
So your argument is every president sneaks out national security sensitive documents and arbitrarily declassifies things based on whether or not it's going to save their own azz?

Is that your argument?

That's not a strawman, ... , that's exactly how it sounded in what you wrote.

...

Oh, he doesn't have the power to retroactively declassify sh*t as he sees fit... I think you believe he does.


Oh!! No you don't get to pull that "I'm not trying to build a Straw Man" BS when you are clearly building a Straw Man.
And that goes for your alter ego Boobage too with his blind devotion to Trump straw man.

BTW...you need to do your research since you don't believe what Siracusa was saying (Let's face it, you didn't even listen to it)

Major Boobage Offline
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Defund the Police and Court since neither knows the law. All hail Trump. The last of the truth tellers.
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You have to remember the most important thing about all of this.......Donate more of your money to Trump and keep is good name clear and allow him to keep dancing to YMCA.

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did I say rayray has become a sleeping pill?

I meant to say a sleeping pill best taken wif alcohol...and a grain of salt.
RayR Offline
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Major Boobage wrote:
Defund the Police and Court since neither knows the law. All hail Trump. The last of the truth tellers.


Defund the FBI, it's unconstitutional and the political enforcer of the regime.
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RayR wrote:
Oh!! No you don't get to pull that "I'm not trying to build a Straw Man" BS when you are clearly building a Straw Man.
And that goes for your alter ego Boobage too with his blind devotion to Trump straw man.

BTW...you need to do your research since you don't believe what Siracusa was saying (Let's face it, you didn't even listen to it)



So you just preach what they tell you to preach then... "witch" hunt then...

If it's a "witch" hunt, and he's a real "witch"...

Then I don't see the problem.
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