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I see London, I see France…..


Or to quote a noted intellectual:
“I yam want I yam”

He as French too.

Popeye was no fool.
And for investments, he was into olive oil….

That would be true if it were being done.

But right now CA is saying no new ICE 13 years from now. Existing ICE are fine. A transition, not a switch flip.

And just like they have been building and expanding the grid for the last 100 years, lots should happen in the next decade. And the decades after that.



But back to mandates - Some feel the govmut should never mandate anything. Some feel that mandating the death of ICE won’t work. Some feel that without mandates we will never keep pollution in check.

I’m in the last camp - we have to have mandates or people/businesses will never change. And I assure you the technology is there to make it happen in the coming decades - which is the time frame we are talking.

I encourage you to look into the demonstrated technology. Even the lowly Model 3 will beat a good V8 (3.2 sec 0-60).

And I have had a long love affair with V8s. But wait until you feel maximum torque instantly at all speeds.
Game changer.

We've gone over this before brew. Mustang/Shelby ownership is a lifelong dream of mine. If the Mach E weren't a chitty crossover SUV I might be tempted

I hope you like the car when you get it.
I liked mine.

No you didn’t do your homework which is why you keep making sh1t up. I suggest you reread my post and apply your mathematical skills.

Anthony,

In fairness I should be more polite about this.

30+ years I have been an engineer, and even I had to check a reference and do some math before I knew an EV would be no problem.
It sounds like power a home does not have - but it doesn't work like that.

As I said, I do it on 150 amp service. In a 3 bedroom, 2-1/2 bath home with a pool and 2 HVAC units. A bit over 2,500 sq/ft in the Texas heat.

Even with 2 EV's, you don't charge during the day when your using lots of power. And you don't often need to change from empty. Charging an EV at home is about like using an electric clothes dryer or your oven. Your home as that power - especially overnight.

And if you need fast charging, you spend 15-20 minutes at a 3 phase, 480 volt charger. Sorry - homes just don't get 3 phase power.

When I did the math on my home, it was apparent that the changes I had been doing made it a no brainer. Loosing incandescent and florescent lighting, having HVAC with a much higher SEER rating, and so on - I really don't need 200 amps of service. 200 amps is based on 20th century calculations - and we are not there anymore.




I guess it pizzes me off to hear so many people say the technology is not ready, or that it won't work. But then again, we are talking about where we will be in 10-20 years. But it works great for me - today.

Would it offend you if I said “donut machine”?

Sorry to say that have a presents on YouTube.
Lots of people that don’t know how to control that kind of power.
And throttle off snap oversteer is a bitch - voice of experience here….

You’re good Scott. I know you’re passionate about your beliefs. What I was alluding to was the reality of what would be required to support a world without petroleum powered automobiles.

Here is my logic. Most homes have at least 2 vehicles. In today’s world most households have at least two wage earners.

During the pandemic many office jobs transitioned to remote. However, many of those workers have returned to brick and mortar locations. Remote work increases costs mostly due to the need for VPN’s not needed in hardwired locations. Especially when a company has a pre-existing fixed real estate cost.

That means that during a 2 to 3 hour period every evening millions of vehicles will be plugging in to recharge for the next day. As a result, there will be a huge increased demand for power during this period. Perhaps a 50-100% increase at this time. After which demand will subside.

To handle such an increase a tremendous upgrade in infrastructure will be required. However, this will be a short window. I wonder if such an upgrade for such a short period be economically feasible.

It's never happened. Probably because they practically don't exist.
Or is it they don't exist, practially?

And forget engineering. You would flunk common sense. Or maybe just plain comprehension.
My scenario was very clearly aimed at long distance driving.
I'll provide pictures next time. You can review them while waiting for your hypothetical super charging station.
(I think Elon Musk has taken more people into space then have used those things. But hey. we've got 13 years...)

Keeping in mind that we are looking at a decades long transition, the number are more favorable that they might seem.

The concern with the power grid is peak load. It can run at full gain 24-7, but when everybody needs to much at once, say 4 to 6 pm, well that’s the problem we have today. If everyone ran their clothes dryer from 10pm to 6am, it’s really not an issue - today.

It is far cleaner and more efficient to charge cars from a power plant that have them burn gas. Thus the mandates in CA.

The power grid has been expanding constantly over the last hundreds years - based on projected need. And yes - EV’s or no, we will need a hell of a lot more going forward. This is why we push for multiple sources of power and dynamic storage.
I think we are up to it.

Tail!
Glad to see you again showing yours.

Looking at my phone now…the nearest Supercharger station is 10.2 miles away with 2 of 12 station available (there is a great BBQ place next to the station in Grapevine)
At 11.4 miles is 5 of 10 available - slow night in Southlake.
Denton, 12 miles, dead’s as always has 3 of 6 available.
Plano is 13 miles
Dallas 21
Well you get the idea.

But long rang driving - looks like station every 50 miles or so in any direction. Prolly not so good if you live in BF.

Now in fairness, when I go long rang I usually hop a plane.

The house is rated at 200 amps 120V.
If every appliance in your home were 240V you'd only be rated for 100 amps with the same service.

That's why a typical panel will require two slots for the breaker on a 240 line, instead of just the one.


You don't need to be an engineer to know this.

How do trees get online?
They log in

Nope. No mandates.

Come on HD - take one for the team.

Timely piece on the news radio today.

The Pilgrim Nuclear Plant in Plymouth MA is not allowed to trickle out the radioactive cooling wastewater into the bay. Seems that despite "the science", the environmentalists are putting up a fight.
And there's only a million gallons of it...

Next up:
The town of Falmouth MA (here on Cape Cod) is finally tearing down two large wind turbines that have sat dormant for years due to public displeasure with them.
Loud.
Health and mental well being due to flicker effect.
Ugly.


I'm sure both stories could be blamed on your typical NIMBY mentality.
But we're in Massachusetts.
We're bluer than LaLa Land on the opposite coast.

If a bunch of liberals can't or won't allow alternative energy sources, how on earth are we going to revamp our entire electric infrastructure to accommodate an all-EV marketplace in just 13 years?

How you ask? With the spirt and know how that defines us as Americans.
And never mind that the Chinese are kicking our Azzes - that’s only temporary (?).
Have Americans ever give up when things got tough - no.
Did we give up when hitler bombed Pearl Harbor - NO!
We are AMERICANS and will lead the world in clean energy, technology and know how - cause it’s us, god damn it.



No better lessons come than those from failures. And we a blazing new trails here. Time to button up.

That's why Fauci made the covid...

Sounds like if the we need EV crowd just holds their breath forever then the problem is solved.

Looks like New York is issuing a no new gas car mandate in 2035 too.

Bravo!

Thank you Drafter.
I sometimes forget the audience here…..

Yeah, what works for Brew should be mandated and imposed on everyone... for the common "good" for humanity.

One double NINE!s