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Texas and Florida s.e.n.d. 2 charter flights to MARTHA'S VINEYARD !!!
HockeyDad Offline
#51 Posted:
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You come out to Salinas and mess with romaine and you might get jumped by spinach and strawberry.
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Those guys are [email protected] Mellow
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BWUHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The X mennnggg!!!
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What a perfect thread to represent this place.

Illegal or not these are people. They were rounded up in Texas and flown to Florida. In Florida they were lied to and told they were being flown to Boston where jobs and housing had been arraigned. Instead they are flown or bussed to other places and abandoned. Yeah, that's funny. All for a political stunt and you guys laugh about it. WTF is wrong with you?

We've sunk so low that we're using actual people, with nothing, to score political points and laughing about it.

If you guys found out that a Democrat controlled state was rounding up illegals and transporting them across states lines to other places for jobs and aid you'd be losing your collective s.h!t and screaming for prosecution. Using tax dollars to transport illegals? It's fine as long as it's someone who you agree with is doing it.
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CelticBomber wrote:
What a perfect thread to represent this place.

Illegal or not these are people. They were rounded up in Texas and flown to Florida. In Florida they were lied to and told they were being flown to Boston where jobs and housing had been arraigned. Instead they are flown or bussed to other places and abandoned. Yeah, that's funny. All for a political stunt and you guys laugh about it. WTF is wrong with you?

We've sunk so low that we're using actual people, with nothing, to score political points and laughing about it.

If you guys found out that a Democrat controlled state was rounding up illegals and transporting them across states lines to other places for jobs and aid you'd be losing your collective s.h!t and screaming for prosecution. Using tax dollars to transport illegals? It's fine as long as it's someone who you agree with is doing it.



WTF do you expect illegals and drug cartels to do when America has THIS to say for itself?

https://therightscoop.com/flashback-joe-biden-calls-for-an-immediate-surge-of-illegals-to-the-border-when-he-becomes-president/

People have chosen to break the laws, burden our medical, education, housing, and financial assistance. They're not oppressed. If they were they would ask for asylum in the 1st country they step in, but they don't. Once again, Pedo Joe lies about not putting kids in cages when in fact...the administration he served as Vice President was doing just that. Perhaps ICE was keeping the children safe from Pedo Joe touching and sniffing them up...I don't know but here he is clearly lying to Americans again. For DECADES President after President ratcheted up the fever with a closed border and building a wall. Bill after bill setting aside hundreds of millions of dollars for the materials and contractors but never starting the project with the gusto Americans wanted. Trump made that a promise. Build the wall. It was started and it was only lunatic Lefty that forgot their side promised the same thing over and over and over but never did anything about.

You say they were rounded up in Texas and flown to Florida. Who did that? Was there any permission asked for said dark flights and dropping them on a tarmac? You don't know for certain they were lied to and neither do I but just like the kids in cages...it's a steak to a rabid dog. WTF is wrong with you that you would allow illegal aliens to stream over our border like a Genghis Khan caravan? EVERYONE is for safe and legal immigration. It's what made us the Melting Pot of the World. You, and people that want to bark like you did want America to be a chamber pot though with no circumstances.

Personally, I wanted the wall but I advocate for a more radical and cheaper approach. I've said it for decades here. Landmines, Gun Turrets and Predator Drones. Want to enter? Do it the right way. Want to stream across the border to deliver drugs, enter into a perverted sexual indenture carnival or just come here to commit crimes which many have...then look no further than the soft weak effeminate treatment of people choosing to become a citizen by breaking the laws of the country they want to live in first. Right off the bat they're showing that these are not the citizens we need in this country.

For the record, let me set you straight on this...NOBODY is laughing at this as a political stunt. States are fed up and they no longer have the capacity to house and feed these law breakers. There's scads of states and cities that have chosen to willingly defy the rule of law and determine themselves to be Sanctuary States or Sanctuary Cities. That's as funny as that guy pretending to be a woman and shatter all of the women's NCAA records and gets lauded as a hero. They chose to put signs up to show how far they can take virtue signaling over each other but what we saw was they screamed the loudest and got those illegals out off their city ASAP. No open doors, open hearts and stop trying to pretend like they did. They didn't.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11221605/GoFundMe-Marthas-Vineyard-migrants-sent-cash-16m-local-non-profit-instead.html

They got exposed as the frauds they are. I'd suggest you work on yourself before you walk around holding up mirrors and decrying about social injustices on these law breakers and how insensitive the rest of us are. Look at how other nations treat illegal immigration. THAT'S terrible, but please sit behind a keyboard and spout your Lefty whiny talking points that NEVER hold up against Logic or Truth. While Lefty cries about this issue stop and think about how these people are willingly abused to get here? Look up "Rape Tree". It's terrible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/us/border-rapes-migrant-women.html

THAT'S what is STILL going on and to a higher degree because our joke of a President cannot and will not take his Oath of Office seriously and do what is needed. The DNC really believe they're scoring a new voting bloc with this behavior. That is going to backfire spectacularly in their faces. We're seeing political races in heavily Hispanic border towns flip Red for the 1st time on over 33 years. They're fed up. You should be too, instead you're too concerned with governors taking their oaths seriously and doing whatever it takes to finally raise awareness to this issue on a national level. God knows the Free Press isn't doing their job in regards to reporting on this debacle.
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I’m just proud that in the face of adversity from a humanitarian crisis, the people of Martha’s Vineyard came together and got those Venezuelans off the island in less than 48 hours.
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The Kenyan King and Big Mike had a parade with signs declaring "NIMBY!"...you missed a real torch and pitchfork moment there.
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You had a massive brain tumor removed and have also been arrested for beating your children, yes?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Opel...had no idea you were a closeted gossip hound!


There was another poster here that used to think this was fodder. Probably because of my Right Wing belief system and how it countered with his, but that's not on me. Let's break it down with reality. Want to? I mean you really went to such a low place to try to dig on me...let's! Reality because there are posters here that have met me, my children and been to my old house before and after my divorce. I digress and give you the facts.

I had a cancerous brain tumor removed back in 1994. Took 18 months off from work rehabbing. I was also in a damaged 25 year marriage that in the final days of it my ex-wife called the cops and had me arrested. She seemed to feel that it would be a win in her favor if I looked bad in the court. My son saw that he was being used as a pawn in an adult proceeding and there were no charges filed and the only marks on anyone were on me from when I was handcuffed she decided to scratch my face. The amazing part that you choose to omit, is that during the divorce proceedings I moved into a one bedroom apartment within reach of my home. My son, the very child that my ex claimed I beat moved in with me. He stayed with me until after the divorce was final and she had to vacate my home. So, what point is it that you're trying to make? You think it's funny I'm a brain cancer survivor and made it through a highly contested divorce with my kids, my house, my 401K, deferred comp and vehicles?

You went there though. Had no idea my life was so interesting to a guy like you. I have no shame in the manner I live my life. At all, and I'm glad to still be here.
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So yes and yes?

https://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/John_Arche_2425194/

Innocent until proven guilty unless you are pedo joe or Hillary.
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
What a perfect thread to represent this place.

Illegal or not these are people. They were rounded up in Texas and flown to Florida. In Florida they were lied to and told they were being flown to Boston where jobs and housing had been arraigned. Instead they are flown or bussed to other places and abandoned. Yeah, that's funny. All for a political stunt and you guys laugh about it. WTF is wrong with you?

We've sunk so low that we're using actual people, with nothing, to score political points and laughing about it.

If you guys found out that a Democrat controlled state was rounding up illegals and transporting them across states lines to other places for jobs and aid you'd be losing your collective s.h!t and screaming for prosecution. Using tax dollars to transport illegals? It's fine as long as it's someone who you agree with is doing it.

very true.

it may be worth noting that the very same people, not cattle, that were rounded up under the false promise (who is Mrs. Perla?) of going to Boston, getting jobs, having paperwork expedited, apartments etc...these people are not and were not Illegal Immigrants.

They were actually following the rules before the con job caught them. Even not guilty of crossing the border illegally. If I lived in Florida, I might have an issue with tax money being used to hire private planes to aid my Governor's presidential aspirations...not to mention treating human beings of any kind this way.
f course we need a policy that makes sense. That doesn't justify this nonsense.

Also, if posters lived here, they would know that with no warning at all the citizens and agencies of Martha's Vineyard pulled together in an act of humanity and charity that would make you proud to be their neighbors.
As adorable as it is to say they hustled them off the island, first they were checked for medical needs, fed, clothed, supplied with necessary provisions and sent a short distance to Bourne, MA where suitable housing had quickly been arranged at the Military Base. I believe funds were rapidly raised and 100% of the money distributed to each of the Venezuelans, something like $2,400 per person.

I may have a fact or two mildly confused, but sounds like people responded to a human crisis without regard to politics.
Something from which we should all learn a lesson. It's simply what our religions or just our moral codes have been teaching.

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Just to keep perspective:

1. Abbott and DeSantis have elections coming up.

2. Republicans love and will always vote for an azzhole - and the bigger the better.

3. Abbott and DeSantis could not care less about the money or who might get hurt - which is why the Right loves them.



Just look at the "they had it coming" and "look over there!" from our clownservative friends on the forum. You can tell, they think this sh1t is kewl.
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I may have missed it but where was the outrage when Biden was leading planes in the middle of the night a d dropping off illegals around the country..?? Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I may have missed it but where was the outrage when Biden was leading planes in the middle of the night a d dropping off illegals around the country..?? Mellow



I was horrified. It was like cattle cars being loaded in Germany.

Wait…no it wasn’t. It was perfectly fine. Nobody cared because it was the Democrat controlled Federal government doing it.
HockeyDad Offline
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One thing we have learned from this whole affair is that Martha’s Vineyard has been able to effectively mobilize the infrastructure necessary to rapidly ship Venezuelans off of Martha’s Vineyard and to a mainland military base.

They even set up a GoFundMe.
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DrafterX wrote:
I may have missed it but where was the outrage when Biden was leading planes in the middle of the night a d dropping off illegals around the country..?? Mellow

the difference is in the accuracy of the details.

separated children of illegals in the flights you reference (under Biden and Trump) vs adults and children with parents and conned...it's fairly easy to look into the differences each case.
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#67 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
One thing we have learned from this whole affair is that Martha’s Vineyard has been able to effectively mobilize the infrastructure necessary to rapidly ship Venezuelans off of Martha’s Vineyard and to a mainland military base.

They even set up a GoFundMe.


not as adorable as the first attempt to discredit some amazing acts of kindness that is apparently not just rare but increasingly hard to accept.

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#68 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I was horrified. It was like cattle cars being loaded in Germany.


it's possible I overstated things...though I did preface it with something like I was not fully committed to that take at that time, but before revisiting this thread went off into this comparison in which the common ground might only be airplanes.
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DrafterX wrote:
You want Frank and me should have a talk with Romaine..?? Huh

despite border issues, we can still work together!
HockeyDad Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
not as adorable as the first attempt to discredit some amazing acts of kindness that is apparently not just rare but increasingly hard to accept.



I live in the land of Democrat NIMBY. If that plane landed here I have no doubt we would muster some amazing acts of kindness to ship those Venezuelans out quick!

You want to see an amazing act of kindness? Keep them on Martha’s Vineyard. Is Martha’s Vineyard asking for more inbound flights? Let’s not kid ourselves.

This whole thing is like ten wrongs make a right. The southern border is a perpetual mess. Sometimes we get reminded of it.

Can we deputize the residents of Martha’s Vineyard and send them down to the Texas border?! They would shut it down.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I live in the land of Democrat NIMBY. If that plane landed here I have no doubt we would muster some amazing acts of kindness to ship those Venezuelans out quick!

You want to see an amazing act of kindness? Keep them on Martha’s Vineyard. Is Martha’s Vineyard asking for more inbound flights? Let’s not kid ourselves.

This whole thing is like ten wrongs make a right. The southern border is a perpetual mess. Sometimes we get reminded of it.

Can we deputize the residents of Martha’s Vineyard and send them down to the Texas border?! They would shut it down.

I'm sticking with what really happened in this case.
CBid Law of Proximity and stuff.

And no one is questioning the need for a real border plan/policy.
Maybe you can get both sides to the table...but you'd have to convince them to solve one of their beloved hot buttons to push during election season.
Different thread though.
HockeyDad Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm sticking with what really happened in this case.
CBid Law of Proximity and stuff.


44 hours. They were gone in 44 hours. I hope with enough counseling they will get over this. (Martha’s Vineyard, not the migrants!)

44 hours for eviction is a tough standard but my area might be able to beat that.
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Why did the nurse need a red pen?
In case she needed to draw blood
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Yes stePHan what a perfect thread to illustrate this place….

How long has Pedo Joe been flying them around in the middle of the night and you haven’t said boo. But now you have a chance to virtue signal against people you disagree with!

This is why you don’t get One Ton chips and your wife doesn’t open beers for you.
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might be wrong but the flights that happened with the children of illegals under both Trump (look it up) and Biden were intended, by law, to place them with relatives where possible. I assume the secrecy was to protect them.
These flights of people arriving legally is not in the same category.
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frankj1 wrote:
might be wrong but the flights that happened with the children of illegals under both Trump (look it up) and Biden were intended, by law, to place them with relatives where possible. I assume the secrecy was to protect them.
These flights of people arriving legally is not in the same category.



I looked it up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-planning-fly-immigrants-u-s-cities-away-border-n1007061

They planed it because in 2019 with the race ramping up illegals were invited to stream the borders. For the most part what I was able to find were that they were mostly children. Under Trump children were separated from adults when there was no proof the adults with them were their parents. They went to great lengths to find said parents. Sucks. However, I place the blame right back on the parents that decided to break our immigration laws by coming here illegally in the first place. Under Obama they were placed in open population and targets for abuse even on our soil.

The Biden Administration went out of their way to hide what they were doing by dumping illegals all over the nation. So, yes the flights were illegal to begin with. If you're going to dog whistle Freedom and citizenship for free just red Rover red Rover let xxxxxx come over like...well you hold the culpability of breaking the law too. His oath of office is a joke to him. Every single thing he's done...immigration, Afghanistan, Iran, spend spend spend, cutting off energy independence, Covid mandates, placing people that are not qualified to hold cabinet positions and his SCOTUS pick of just selecting a Black woman as well as the Green New Deal con game...everything has been a train wreck. When people ask what good he's done we get this blank stare and "Trump isn't in office" answer. That's not good enough. He said he was going to be a Uniter. Our nation is broken and he's causing more damage each and every day. Instead he screams on about White Terrorism and Ultra MAGA...both of which haven't raised to the level of BLM and ANTIFA even despite the often bandied about so called insurrection.

That GoFund Me that raised all that dough for the illegals on Martha's Vineyard? The money didn't go to them. It went to a very Harvard-like endowment fund.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathell/2022/09/16/marthas-vineyard-millionaires-launch-gofundme-over-humanitarian-crisis-n2613214
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Those bassards..!! Mad
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Ron DeSantis Admin Hits Back Against Class Action Lawsuit Filed by Martha’s Vineyard Migrants

The administration of Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis hit back against the class action lawsuits filed by the illegal migrants he shipped to Martha’s Vineyard lost week.

As Breitbart News reported on Tuesday, the migrants sued the governor, claiming that he violated their Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment rights by being deceived into taking the trips up to the wealthy liberal enclave.

The lawsuit filed by lawyers with the non-governmental organizations (NGOs) Alianza Americas and Lawyers for Civil Rights said:

The Doe Defendants made false promises and false representations that if the individual Plaintiffs and other class members were willing to board airplanes to other states, they would receive employment, housing, educational opportunities, and other like assistance at their arrival,” said the lawsuit filed by lawyers with the non-governmental organizations (NGOs) Alianza Americas and Lawyers for Civil Rights.

In fact, Defendants had made no arrangements for employment, housing, educational opportunities, or other assistance for the individual Plaintiffs or other class members at their destination. Defendants had not even notified any governmental or non-profit entity that could provide such services that the individual Plaintiffs and their similarly-situated class members would be arriving.

The office of Ron DeSantis responded to the lawsuit on Tuesday, saying the migrants made a voluntary journey to Martha’s Vineyard and that they were well cared for.

DeSantis spokeswoman Taryn Fenske said:

If these activists spent even a fraction of this time and effort at the border, perhaps some accountability would be brought to the Biden Administration’s reckless border policies that entice illegal immigrants to make dangerous and often lethal journeys through Central America and put their lives in the hands of cartels and Coyotes.

Fenske even provided a copy of the consent form that migrants were asked to sign before boarding the plane.

The form said in both Spanish and English:

“I agree to hold the benefactor or its designed representatives harmless of all liability arising out of or in any way relating to any injuries and damages that may occur during the agreed transport to locations outside of Texas until the final destination in Massachusetts.

Fenske added that the immigrants were homeless and abandoned and that activists cared nothing for them until they were shipped to Martha’s Vineyard:

Florida’s program gave them a fresh start in a sanctuary state and these individuals opted to take advantage of chartered flights to Massachusetts. It was disappointing that Martha’s Vineyard called in the Massachusetts National Guard to bus them away from the island within 48 hours.

Immediately after the migrants arrived on Martha’s Vineyard, Democrats began pushing the absurd talking point that DeSantis “kidnapped” the migrants in order to use them as political pawns. Democrat California Gov. Gavin Newsom even called on Attorney General Merrick Garland to investigate potential wrongdoing.

Newsom wrote on Thursday:

Like millions of Americans, I have been horrified at the images of migrants being shipped on buses and planes across the country to be used as political props. Clearly, transporting families, including children, across state lines under false pretenses is morally reprehensible, but it may also be illegal.

“I strongly urge the U.S. Department of Justice (US DOJ) to open an investigation into possible criminal or civil violations of federal law based on this alleged fraudulent scheme,” he added.

Speaking to reporters in Martha’s Vineyard near the shelter where migrants were being housed, immigration attorney Rachel Self also accused DeSantis of “kidnapping” the migrants by sending them to an island where millionaires vacation.




https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/20/ron-desantis-admin-hits-back-against-class-action-lawsuit-filed-by-marthas-vineyard-migrants/
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes stePHan what a perfect thread to illustrate this place….

How long has Pedo Joe been flying them around in the middle of the night and you haven’t said boo. But now you have a chance to virtue signal against people you disagree with!

This is why you don’t get One Ton chips and your wife doesn’t open beers for you.


Why yes JaMIe, this IS the perfect thread and you've supplied the perfect response to illustrate my point.

I HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED BIDEN AND I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM. Did you get it this time? I've made that point repeatedly. But, this thread wasn't about Biden. It was about what Abbott and DeSantis did with people who were desperate and have nothing and how you all thought what happened was funny. If the thread was about Biden doing this I'd have said the same thing with one minor difference. None of you would have been laughing if this had been a Biden thread.

I haven't said "boo" about Biden flying anyone around because I haven't seen a thread about it if there even is one. Every time someone criticizes something a Republican does you guys started yelling "Well, the Democrats did this!". I've rarely seen anyone say something along the lines of "What is happening to my party? These aren't real Republicans.". You're allowed to criticize one political party without having to come up with a reason to criticize the other.

Laughing about desperate people being used as political pawns would definitely bring a certain type of new person in... if you guys didn't immediately run them off. You're never going to get enough members for your militia that way. How are the preparations for the civil war going?

One thing you guys all missed in your thread with the poll about people leaving. You all agreed people come and people go and that used to be true. What you missed was that people are going and no one is coming to take their place. Someone new posts ANYTHING and they get piled on and "poof" bye bye new guy and who can blame them.

Oh and for the record. I've had One Ton Chips and I'm not a fan.
CelticBomber Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:

If these activists spent even a fraction of this time and effort at the border, perhaps some accountability would be brought to the Biden Administration’s reckless border policies that entice illegal immigrants to make dangerous and often lethal journeys through Central America and put their lives in the hands of cartels and Coyotes.

Fenske even provided a copy of the consent form that migrants were asked to sign before boarding the plane.

The form said in both Spanish and English:

“I agree to hold the benefactor or its designed representatives harmless of all liability arising out of or in any way relating to any injuries and damages that may occur during the agreed transport to locations outside of Texas until the final destination in Massachusetts.

Fenske added that the immigrants were homeless and abandoned and that activists cared nothing for them until they were shipped to Martha’s Vineyard:


So, "someone" went to a migrant center RUN BY ACTIVISTS IN TEXAS and said to a bunch of homeless people if you sign this paper we're going to get you everything you need! A home, a job, food, help with your immigration status, money etc. etc. and they were then flown to Florida so that the Florida Governer could make a political point about "illegals" that weren't even in Florida to begin with?

Why would some desperate homeless migrant hoping for asylum agree to that? The fools...

BTW you conveniently left out this part of the form

the benefactors agree they are "not providing transportation made in furtherance of any unlawful entry into the United States."

So are they unlawful migrants or not?
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Um...they were already in the US thanks to Biden. So, yes...illegals

You can go to the link I posted and see a link to the actual paper they all signed. They weren't lied to like you and others have claimed. Its really that easy.
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CelticBomber wrote:
So, "someone" went to a migrant center RUN BY ACTIVISTS IN TEXAS and said to a bunch of homeless people if you sign this paper we're going to get you everything you need! A home, a job, food, help with your immigration status, money etc. etc. and they were then flown to Florida so that the Florida Governer could make a political point about "illegals" that weren't even in Florida to begin with?

Why would some desperate homeless migrant hoping for asylum agree to that? The fools...

BTW you conveniently left out this part of the form

the benefactors agree they are "not providing transportation made in furtherance of any unlawful entry into the United States."

So are they unlawful migrants or not?

the ones in the OP are legal and have done everything to the letter of the law.
The children in the night flights that have been tossed into this thread to purposely muddy the waters were the children of illegals separated from their parents.

Both Trump and Biden administrations, by law, made secret flights in attempts to reunite them with relatives, failing that to place them in proper shelters.

The flights under current and previous administrations were secret supposedly to protect the children...this actually makes sense. But it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

It is a good question as to why DeSantis arranged with Abbot to bring the legal migrants to Florida from Texas on planes paid for by Florida tax payers...

Who is Mrs. Perla?
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Icing on the cake...Newsom has no room to bark at all. Seems he likes shipping people around too.

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/flashback-gavin-newsom-shipped-homeless-people-out-of-san-francisco-with-one-way-tickets/

He wants to debate with DeSantis??? The American Psycho wannabe has zero credibility on anything and was almost tossed out of office with a recall. Once again the DNC shows their hypocrisy and the media...they allow it with no ramifications.
HockeyDad Offline
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Technically they were not illegal.

If you show up to the border and say “asylum” you get processed and released into the USA pending an asylum hearing. Many people aren’t trying to evade border patrol. They walk right up to border patrol immediately. This is the border flood that Biden encouraged during campaigning.

The backlog on the asylum hearing is 3-4 years. During that time you get to stay in the US. It’s a pretty decent deal.
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We might as well just fast forward and discuss an amnesty law. We know where this is going.
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So technically they're not US citizens and a high percentage never show up for their hearings they simply vanish.

If they were pleading asylum they're technically supposed to admit that in the 1st country they step into. They didn't do that.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Um...they were already in the US thanks to Biden. So, yes...illegals

You can go to the link I posted and see a link to the actual paper they all signed. They weren't lied to like you and others have claimed. Its really that easy.


How do you know when these people arrived? They could have arrived under Trump. Thousands did. Thousands always will regardless of who is running the White House unless we militarize the border.

I think you've missed the point, again. By yours and everyone else's definition these people are illegal so how is flying and busing them around "not providing transportation made in furtherance of any unlawful entry into the United States."? I think Lucy's gonna have some 'splainin' to do. Maybe not. Everyone seems to be fine with politicians openly flouting U.S. laws and denying the sky is blue these days if they have the right letter next to their name.


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HockeyDad wrote:
We might as well just fast forward and discuss an amnesty law. We know where this is going.


How's about we enact legislation ending you're a citizen if you're born here despite mom and dad being citizens of another nation?

Put up the wall and for the love of God let's finally start using landmines, gun turrets and predator drones.
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frankj1 wrote:
the ones in the OP are legal and have done everything to the letter of the law.
The children in the night flights that have been tossed into this thread to purposely muddy the waters were the children of illegals separated from their parents.

Both Trump and Biden administrations, by law, made secret flights in attempts to reunite them with relatives, failing that to place them in proper shelters.

The flights under current and previous administrations were secret supposedly to protect the children...this actually makes sense. But it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

It is a good question as to why DeSantis arranged with Abbot to bring the legal migrants to Florida from Texas on planes paid for by Florida tax payers...

Who is Mrs. Perla?


I know. I'm just kicking rocks into the well just to kick rocks. I know I'm not going to be winning hearts and minds. It was already a scummy thing to do to these people but, laughing about it? That really bugs me.


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Who's laughing about it?
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#91 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Who's laughing about it?


Umm, you really should reread the thread. I'd suggest starting with post number 1.
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I could be wrong but I really believed he was laughing that the governors were thumbing their nose at the federal government and the President that allows this.

Never thought he was laughing at the illegals...which every article written so far is calling them.
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They are kinda funny tho.. Mellow
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#94 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I could be wrong but I really believed he was laughing that the governors were thumbing their nose at the federal government and the President that allows this.


They're the SAME THING. Laughing that these Governers used desperate asylum seekers to score political points is insult upon injury.

DrMaddVibe wrote:
Never thought he was laughing at the illegals...which every article written so far is calling them.


So, suddenly you of all people are just going with the flow and trusting the media? Mister I've got a link to the real news no matter which subject is brought up? The Governers said they were making a point about illegals and sanctuary cities, these people weren't illegal. I read a bunch of articles that make that distinction. These people were going through the system and were cleared by Homeland Security before they were even given a chance at seeking asylum through our courts. All of these people getting shipped around are seeking asylum and we know they are here. You aren't suggesting that the States of Florida and Texas are knowingly shipping illegal immigrants all over the U.S.? Are you? That would be trafficking.

Enjoy the rest of the thread gents. I'm getting off the merry-go-round.
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#95 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
They are kinda funny tho.. Mellow



Grandpa! Flapper
DrMaddVibe Offline
#96 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
They're the SAME THING. Laughing that these Governers used desperate asylum seekers to score political points is insult upon injury.



So, suddenly you of all people are just going with the flow and trusting the media? Mister I've got a link to the real news no matter which subject is brought up? The Governers said they were making a point about illegals and sanctuary cities, these people weren't illegal. I read a bunch of articles that make that distinction. These people were going through the system and were cleared by Homeland Security before they were even given a chance at seeking asylum through our courts. All of these people getting shipped around are seeking asylum and we know they are here. You aren't suggesting that the States of Florida and Texas are knowingly shipping illegal immigrants all over the U.S.? Are you? That would be trafficking.

Enjoy the rest of the thread gents. I'm getting off the merry-go-round.


I'd love to read those articles. That's one of the reasons why...and it irratates a lot of people here...that I include links to each and every story I'm talking about. I usually italicize and bold them up so there's a distinction between the article and my opinion.
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#97 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
Umm, you really should reread the thread. I'd suggest starting with post number 1.


Oh so Mr Jones is now your standard for outrage around here?
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#98 Posted:
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O.M.G. !!!!

Bwuhahahaha!!!

DMV & H.D. ARE THE BESTEST!!!

LIGHTEN UP ...

I'D TAKE A FREE FLIGHT TO MARTHA'S VINEYARD ANY DAY OF THE WEEK...
OVER 6+ YEARS OF FBI-SSG INCESSANT GANGSTALKING AND
9+ ATTEMPTED MURDER EVENTS PLUS LOSING
$ONE++
MILLION IN CASH...

IT WAS A REAL BUMMER TO SAY THE LEAST...

JUST SAYIN'...
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I’d take a free flight to Martha’s Vineyard! I just hope I don’t get GITMOed in 44 hours like those Venezuelans.
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