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MACS Offline
#51 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Damn MACS - you really will believe any god damn thing, won’t you?

Well I have an EV that costs me 20 cent on the dollar to gas and never need oil changes.
And it’s faster that your car - sight unseen.

Smoke that in you YouTube pipe.


Can you refute ONE thing that was discussed in that video? Rhetorical question... you can't. So if I believe anything... that means you refuse to change your mind, even when confronted with the facts. Like most leftists.

Your Tesla may be quick 0-60, but a sports car with an engine will beat it in the 1/4 mile. And your car can't tow a boat.

I'd bet even my heavy ass truck with a 5.7L hemi would catch up to your Tesla if it wasn't governed at 104 mph.
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#52 Posted:
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Teslas are quick from 0-60 but the never go faster than 60! They’re the modern Prius.
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#53 Posted:
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And Katie Hobbs... the lady that would not debate, and was in charge of the vote tabulation by the way, beat Kari Lake??

And folks believe that? What do Arizonans think?
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Our jaws can only bite upwards, so you can't actually bite down.
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MACS wrote:
And Katie Hobbs... the lady that would not debate, and was in charge of the vote tabulation by the way, beat Kari Lake??

And folks believe that? What do Arizonans think?

finally!
Sounds like you may have some facts.
Please share, it's been two years of innuendo and stuff!

What did you find out that Hobbs did?

Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
Can you refute ONE thing that was discussed in that video? Rhetorical question... you can't. So if I believe anything... that means you refuse to change your mind, even when confronted with the facts. Like most leftists.

Your Tesla may be quick 0-60, but a sports car with an engine will beat it in the 1/4 mile. And your car can't tow a boat.

I'd bet even my heavy ass truck with a 5.7L hemi would catch up to your Tesla if it wasn't governed at 104 mph.

The video sites "Nobel laureates" - no names. Cause no one with a Nobel prize would back that sh1t. And there were no real "facts" to debate.

Why not pick a "fact", and we will debate.



My Model 3 Long Range does 0-60 in 4.2 seconds (3.7 seconds in boost mode), runs the 1//4 mile in 12.5 seconds and tops out at 145 miles per hour. Few "sport cars" can match that. Even a GT350 would be hard pressed to find a driver that good - mine is AWD computer driven.

And Tesla sell a trailer hitch for it.

You know that "Hemi" is just a name, cause the haven't built hemispherical heads since the 20th century, right?
Brewha Offline
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Back to the OP - what is the Right selling as their platform?

Besides taking away our social security?
ZRX1200 Offline
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LMMFPWAO
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Wouldn't be that hard to find. Car and Driver found one that could get the 350 to 60 in 4.2. The R version (same engine, weight reduced) in 3.9.

But the 350's not designed to be a drag strip monster. It's a high revving, well balanced, production race car. I'd be interested in a track comparison. You've got the acceleration, but that's a lot of weight to get around corners
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Wouldn't be that hard to find. Car and Driver found one that could get the 350 to 60 in 4.2. The R version (same engine, weight reduced) in 3.9.

But the 350's not designed to be a drag strip monster. It's a high revving, well balanced, production race car. I'd be interested in a track comparison. You've got the acceleration, but that's a lot of weight to get around corners

Now that is a really good question.

The Tesla is a couple of hundred pounds heavier than the Mustang. But the Tesla has a much lower center of gravity.
And there is a **** ton of difference in how these cars handle.

Having driven SCCA Autocross in my youth - I would love to see it. The driver would make a big difference.

Now I had a '94 GT and know the chassis dynamic under race conditions.

It would be a hell of a race.
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To the YouTube machine!
HockeyDad Offline
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Things you NEVER hear Tesla owners say:

“Let’s take our Teslas out to the track.”
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There was a short lived series called Getaway Driver that pitted drivers, in their own cars (drifters, rally builds, dragsters, etc) against 3 chase vehicles in an industrial complex. The driver tried to find the exit and the chase cars tried to trap or incapacitate them. They rammed the hell out of those things.

All that to say, one guy brought his Tesla. I don't recall the model, but cost like $90k. He escaped. Took some fair damage. Won $2,000
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You sound jealous of Brewha too.
MACS Offline
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I would love to see a Tesla tow something. LMFAO! What's the weight rating? 500 lbs? And does your battery die in 100 miles instead of 300?
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Wouldn't be that hard to find. Car and Driver found one that could get the 350 to 60 in 4.2. The R version (same engine, weight reduced) in 3.9.

But the 350's not designed to be a drag strip monster. It's a high revving, well balanced, production race car. I'd be interested in a track comparison. You've got the acceleration, but that's a lot of weight to get around corners


Well, actually because of the torque advantage of the EV it would probably beat your GT350 on a track as well. I go to the autocross events at Goodguys twice a year. The events on Friday and Saturday are for American cars only or those with American engines. But on Sunday they allow whatever you want to race and a Tesla usually turns the best times even against the modern Mopars, Fords and Chevys running track race prepped equipment.

These are short tracks with a lot of turns. I can't say who would win on a larger road course but the acceleration is a
major advantage.
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MACS wrote:
I would love to see a Tesla tow something. LMFAO! What's the weight rating? 500 lbs? And does your battery die in 100 miles instead of 300?



Yeah, a 30' 3 horse slant with living quarters trailer...gooseneck hitch...sure...I'll just get that ordered up. Why 20 cents to the f'n dolla...here I comes!
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MACS wrote:
I would love to see a Tesla tow something. LMFAO! What's the weight rating? 500 lbs? And does your battery die in 100 miles instead of 300?


Any idea of the towing capacity of the Tesla Cybertruck?
I don’t speak Engines and Performance.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You sound jealous of Brewha too.

Ah we have a window into each others souls....

But that would be envy not jealousy - common mistake.
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MACS wrote:
I would love to see a Tesla tow something. LMFAO! What's the weight rating? 500 lbs? And does your battery die in 100 miles instead of 300?

Granted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TF5CRifPWo
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8trackdisco wrote:
Any idea of the towing capacity of the Tesla Cybertruck?
I don’t speak Engines and Performance.


From the interwebs:


"While the single- and dual-motor Teslas have a maximum tow rating of 7500 and 10,000 pounds, respectively, models with a third motor will be able to pull a whopping 14,000 pounds. "
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8trackdisco wrote:
Any idea of the towing capacity of the Tesla Cybertruck?
I don’t speak Engines and Performance.


Pound for pound electric motors tend to have more torque than ICE’s. The problem is the battery size to make a meaningful tow route.

To maximize distance ideally the heaviest drops would happen sooner in the route thereby requiring less battery load as the day progresses. Unfortunately, that’s not really how it works in the freight world. Instead routes are built on time efficiency.

An example would be having to back down an angled dock still heavily loaded with marginally charged batteries. The customer is going to be real pi$$ed if he has to pay for additional labor while his dock workers mash their nutz waiting for one of these new-age trucks to get pulled out of a dock because it doesn’t have sufficient battery power to get out itself. BTW, last mile delivers are by far the hardest and tightest of places to back a delivery truck. So that will add to the wait as well.
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Brewha wrote:
From the interwebs:


"While the single- and dual-motor Teslas have a maximum tow rating of 7500 and 10,000 pounds, respectively, models with a third motor will be able to pull a whopping 14,000 pounds. "


I’ve got a 43,000 lb load. How many motors and batteries will that take?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Lets say 10...could be nine, but you think you hate it now just wait till you drive it.
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Abrignac wrote:
I’ve got a 43,000 lb load. How many motors and batteries will that take?

Just one of these for that weight - with room to spare.

https://www.tesla.com/semi
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Lets say 10...could be nine, but you think you hate it now just wait till you drive it.

So…you’re not really a Doctor, are you?
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Granted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TF5CRifPWo


Weak.

#1 - it didn't tow anything, it merely won a tug-o-war with a 2wd vehicle vs an awd vehicle.
#2 - it can tow 20k lbs... but at WHAT RANGE?

Most folks want to tow a boat or a trailer. They don't tow these things 25 miles. And if you go camping... where ya gonna charge that thing in the wilderness, dipsheit?
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MACS wrote:
Weak.

#1 - it didn't tow anything, it merely won a tug-o-war with a 2wd vehicle vs an awd vehicle.
#2 - it can tow 20k lbs... but at WHAT RANGE?

Most folks want to tow a boat or a trailer. They don't tow these things 25 miles. And if you go camping... where ya gonna charge that thing in the wilderness, dipsheit?

You just don't like change.

Here is what you want - you just don't know it - yet.

https://rivian.com/r1t
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
You just don't like change.

Here is what you want - you just don't know it - yet.

https://rivian.com/r1t


Don't fkn pretend to know me. You know nothing about me.

And I see you completely avoided the points I made... because they're valid, you know it, and you have NO fkn answer.
Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
Don't fkn pretend to know me. You know nothing about me.

And I see you completely avoided the points I made... because they're valid, you know it, and you have NO fkn answer.

Too late, I already did.

And yes, towing decreased the range of any vehicle. I don't happen to know the range degradation with towing on that particular model. But you could look into it if you are in the market.

But I think you are saying the vehicle in impractical. Well, that depends on your usage. Lot's of trucks can't tow a 5th wheel. And I got no reason to tow anything with my sedan - If I did, I'd have bought a truck.

Screw the environment. If and EV was better for your usage would you buy it?
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MACS wrote:
Don't fkn pretend to know me. You know nothing about me.


So, your ex military - Navy I would guess. Had or still have an Infinity, and work as a Corrections Officer.

Close?
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Brewha wrote:
Back to the OP - what is the Right selling as their platform?

Besides taking away our social security?


I'm not the OP, but will give it a shot and only with one issue for now. I'll take Abortion for 500.
Blue & Red both want to "win" the Culture Wars battles, so assuming any type of compromise seems highly improbable.
Before you can find the middle, you have to look at both extremes of the parties.

Republican Extreme: No abortion, no exceptions, period. Well, when there is no period, if you know what I mean.
Democratic Extreme: Birth Mother can choose to have an abortion from the moment of male ejaculation until the child's 18th birthday. *Maybe that is extreme and actually ends when a needle goes into the crowning head of the baby on his her or theys birthday.

So where is the midpoint? The span of ejacu-moment through a normal birth date is 40 weeks.

Would either side agree that 20 weeks? That would be a compromise.

The woman still has a choice up until then. Anti Abortion folks get to end later and late term abortions.

Am thrilled I'm not a woman. Periods, cramping, bloating, child birthing. Plus the pressure of remembering to take birth control pill either every day or have some other spermicides cream, condom or diaphragm with me.

Do you know who loves abortions? Drunk college guys, regardless of how they feel about abortion when they are sober.

Personally, I am unholier than though. Am a Christian, while failing every day, my stand on abortion might put me in hot water as my resume gets reviewed for consideration at the pearly gates. Here goes...

An abortion is something which is the worst thing a woman can do, but should legally be allowed to do it. In the end, it is between her and her maker. Much like me, she'll have to explain it.

That isn't the Republican platform (you asked their platform on this and I can't tell you what it is). There would would be a lot of wringing of hands and shouting with the GOP in order to get to that destination. It would drive a far number of Independents and certainly gain support from some Dem voters who are looking for a reasonable alternative to what the blue team is selling.

And to Bucky's point, it is a moot point because the Supremes have decided it is left to the states to decide.

To bring it home to a similar issue which was hot 15 years or so ago, I see a parallel with Smoking Bans.
Don't want a cigar? Don't Smoke it. But don't tell me I can't. You don't agree with me? Great. Pass the beer nuts.
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Brewha wrote:
From the interwebs:


"While the single- and dual-motor Teslas have a maximum tow rating of 7500 and 10,000 pounds, respectively, models with a third motor will be able to pull a whopping 14,000 pounds. "


Didn't know Tesla's had multiple motor options.
In short, a Cybertruck would need two engines to haul a boat?

Paging MACS..... Your boat and trailer combo. How many pounds were they for towing?
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Brewha wrote:
Too late, I already did.

And yes, towing decreased the range of any vehicle. I don't happen to know the range degradation with towing on that particular model. But you could look into it if you are in the market.

But I think you are saying the vehicle in impractical. Well, that depends on your usage. Lot's of trucks can't tow a 5th wheel. And I got no reason to tow anything with my sedan - If I did, I'd have bought a truck.

Screw the environment. If and EV was better for your usage would you buy it?



Think that is one of the main points- the potential impartibility. Think about it in the scope of scenarios.
-Someone has a 16 ft boat and trailer that weighs X, and they go 50 miles round trip.
-What electric vehicle could do that?
-How many engines would it need? Are multiple batteries something needing to be put into the equation?

Same boat & trailer combo, now it is a 200 mile round trip. Same questions as to # of engines and batteries.

I'd then go to what is the largest boat someone can haul without a CDL or any special permitting? Say it us a 26 ft boat (as you can probably tell, I don't speak Boat either), what do you need to move that 50 or 200 miles round trip?

If both sides would simply stay off their rants, ask questions with the idea of gaining knowledge for themselves or inviting the other to further explain or admit they hadn't thought about the question and think of as a problem solving session, we'd be much further ahead as a society and a country.


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8trackdisco wrote:
Think that is one of the main points- the potential impartibility. Think about it in the scope of scenarios.
-Someone has a 16 ft boat and trailer that weighs X, and they go 50 miles round trip.
-What electric vehicle could do that?
-How many engines would it need? Are multiple batteries something needing to be put into the equation?

Same boat & trailer combo, now it is a 200 mile round trip. Same questions as to # of engines and batteries.

I'd then go to what is the largest boat someone can haul without a CDL or any special permitting? Say it us a 26 ft boat (as you can probably tell, I don't speak Boat either), what do you need to move that 50 or 200 miles round trip?

If both sides would simply stay off their rants, ask questions with the idea of gaining knowledge for themselves or inviting the other to further explain or admit they hadn't thought about the question and think of as a problem solving session, we'd be much further ahead as a society and a country.




Screw you, you are wrong.
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BigGrin
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Unsure
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not that many people are towing anything heavier than a fat spouse and a couple husky kids, and only to Gramma's house.
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and HD would have been up my azz if I demolished this thread too!
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You don't own money. You just take your turn with it
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frankj1 wrote:
and HD would have been up my azz if I demolished this thread too!


I dunno. It’s kinda a mood thing.
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
You don't own money. You just take your turn with it


Do you have some time to talk about the Book of Mormon?
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No, but would you be interested in a Watchtower subscription?
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Brewha wrote:
So…you’re not really a Doctor, are you?



Why, no I'm not. I've never pretended to be either. You did though. Done telling people here where the moniker came from. There's a thread all about it that you can read. You'd get to know a lot of the others you have issues with names with as well. Those pesky nondescript names, yeah?
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Brewha wrote:
You just don't like change.

Here is what you want - you just don't know it - yet.

https://rivian.com/r1t



Yeah MACS...you need this. A total fleet recall...every vehicle made.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/08/business/rivian-recall/index.html

Good thing Amazon switched over and had to idle their fleet for the tightening of a bolt that didn't happen at the plant. I mean they're so busy tweaking batteries that they forgot all about using a wrench!
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8trackdisco wrote:
Think that is one of the main points- the potential impartibility. Think about it in the scope of scenarios.
-Someone has a 16 ft boat and trailer that weighs X, and they go 50 miles round trip.
-What electric vehicle could do that?
-How many engines would it need? Are multiple batteries something needing to be put into the equation?

Same boat & trailer combo, now it is a 200 mile round trip. Same questions as to # of engines and batteries.

I'd then go to what is the largest boat someone can haul without a CDL or any special permitting? Say it us a 26 ft boat (as you can probably tell, I don't speak Boat either), what do you need to move that 50 or 200 miles round trip?

If both sides would simply stay off their rants, ask questions with the idea of gaining knowledge for themselves or inviting the other to further explain or admit they hadn't thought about the question and think of as a problem solving session, we'd be much further ahead as a society and a country.



I would expand on your point by saying that any truck or car could fall short in capacity or range if it is mis-matched to the application. That said, as the EV industry expands there are more and more options to support greater towing capacity.

In fairness, if you want to pull a 5th wheel trailer there are no good choices in an EV - today.
And if you need a double heavy duty truck, well the EV market is not there yet either.

One needs a bit more care in selecting an EV today, so that it matches the application they plan to use it for. The two main concerns I look at where:
Occasional business trip where I'd rather not fly - Like going from Dallas to Austin, but not Dallas to Houston.
Can I get a full charge overnight at home.

This made me buy the long range version rather than the standard range, and spend about $150 to upgrade the electrical in my garage.

If I lived in an apartment and was on the long haul trips every day I would not have bought any of the current EV offerings. Just like motorcycles or sedans, they are not for everyone.
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Moving back to the potential platform of the Republican party.

Before I turned on the TV this morning, my guess in rough order was set as...
1-Election Integrity.
2a-Immigration.
2b-Drugs (Fentanyl, Heroin, Meth, Cocaine etc.)
3-Taxes.


One of the first stories was about the Republicans taking over the House and what their priority will be. The apparent #1 priority?


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Investigating Hunter and the Bidens.

I've never thought this before in my life, but I now feel the following may be true.................... Have Republicans become dummererer than Democrats? They just got schlonged 10 days ago in the midterms because they didn't understand what Americans want dealt with.

Sure, Hunter by many accounts is a POS and an investigation makes some sense. With all the other things going on in our country, Hunter Biden is the Priority #1?

Fugging Aye. Just plain dummm.
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Brewha wrote:
I would expand on your point by saying that any truck or car could fall short in capacity or range if it is mis-matched to the application. That said, as the EV industry expands there are more and more options to support greater towing capacity.

In fairness, if you want to pull a 5th wheel trailer there are no good choices in an EV - today.
And if you need a double heavy duty truck, well the EV market is not there yet either.

One needs a bit more care in selecting an EV today, so that it matches the application they plan to use it for. The two main concerns I look at where:
Occasional business trip where I'd rather not fly - Like going from Dallas to Austin, but not Dallas to Houston.
Can I get a full charge overnight at home.

This made me buy the long range version rather than the standard range, and spend about $150 to upgrade the electrical in my garage.

If I lived in an apartment and was on the long haul trips every day I would not have bought any of the current EV offerings. Just like motorcycles or sedans, they are not for everyone.

I am thinking my next car will be a Honda Accord Sport Hybrid.
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Brewha wrote:
I would expand on your point by saying that any truck or car could fall short in capacity or range if it is mis-matched to the application. That said, as the EV industry expands there are more and more options to support greater towing capacity.

In fairness, if you want to pull a 5th wheel trailer there are no good choices in an EV - today.
And if you need a double heavy duty truck, well the EV market is not there yet either.

One needs a bit more care in selecting an EV today, so that it matches the application they plan to use it for. The two main concerns I look at where:
Occasional business trip where I'd rather not fly - Like going from Dallas to Austin, but not Dallas to Houston.
Can I get a full charge overnight at home.

This made me buy the long range version rather than the standard range, and spend about $150 to upgrade the electrical in my garage.

If I lived in an apartment and was on the long haul trips every day I would not have bought any of the current EV offerings. Just like motorcycles or sedans, they are not for everyone.


Thanks, Brewha. I think I see what your are saying. Let me use typed Active Listening to see if I have your position correctly.

-Directionally, you would prefer EVs to expand in an effort to address climate change.
-EVs work for you because of your lifestyle\travel patterns.
-You agree that there isn't an EV for every application at this point, with the promise of networks and technology continuing to advance in the coming years.
-Combustion drive vehicle are still necessary and will continue to be until that point.

How did I do?
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Brewha wrote:
I would expand on your point by saying that any truck or car could fall short in capacity or range if it is mis-matched to the application. That said, as the EV industry expands there are more and more options to support greater towing capacity.

In fairness, if you want to pull a 5th wheel trailer there are no good choices in an EV - today.
And if you need a double heavy duty truck, well the EV market is not there yet either.

One needs a bit more care in selecting an EV today, so that it matches the application they plan to use it for. The two main concerns I look at where:
Occasional business trip where I'd rather not fly - Like going from Dallas to Austin, but not Dallas to Houston.
Can I get a full charge overnight at home.

This made me buy the long range version rather than the standard range, and spend about $150 to upgrade the electrical in my garage.

If I lived in an apartment and was on the long haul trips every day I would not have bought any of the current EV offerings. Just like motorcycles or sedans, they are not for everyone.


That sounds reasonable. Where the hell is the real Brewha and what have you done with him?
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