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Electric vehicles - what does the future hold?
clintCigar Offline
#51 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Full Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sa5JkeerRo

500k lb of raw materials to make 1 car EV battery. OhMyGod
HockeyDad Offline
#52 Posted:
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clintCigar wrote:
500k lb of raw materials to make 1 car EV battery. OhMyGod


Sometimes you gotta break a few eggs.
DrafterX Offline
#53 Posted:
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Macs said he can eat 50 hardboiled eggs... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Totally green...lollipops, rainbows and unicorn powered.
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Are you trying to be ironic?


I'm not the one trying to save the planet by telling everyone else to go electric.

It's like tryna remove sand from the beach one grain at a time. By the time it makes a difference the Earth will have expired and people will have been long gone, anyway.
MACS Offline
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clintCigar wrote:
The new GMC Denali EV truck costs around $108k and will only tow 9.5k lbs. What a joke. I can tow 1.5x more and my truck cost 1/4 of that. Granted I did buy mine used though.


How far can it tow those 9.5k pounds? 200 miles, at best?
MACS Offline
#57 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Macs said he can eat 50 hardboiled eggs... Mellow


I can! In about 2 weeks.
frankj1 Offline
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I really don't understand the animosity toward perhaps a better, safer potential product...why are so many rooting against the possibility? The benefits to all and the enormous boost a perfected industry would have on employment, health, and wealth, around the world would be tremendous.

I think the key here is to be patient. In a few years or so Capitalism will have invested enough time and money into making batteries that do what we all need, and likely from aluminum and sulfur or some other very available base products (sodium?). End of China control and end of disposal dangers.

A few years, a few million dollars later the problem will be solved.

Corporations, universities and scientists have already begun the search.

Hang in there
HockeyDad Offline
#59 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I really don't understand the animosity toward perhaps a better, safer potential product...why are so many rooting against the possibility? The benefits to all and the enormous boost a perfected industry would have on employment, health, and wealth, around the world would be tremendous.

I think the key here is to be patient. In a few years or so Capitalism will have invested enough time and money into making batteries that do what we all need, and likely from aluminum and sulfur or some other very available base products (sodium?). End of China control and end of disposal dangers.

A few years, a few million dollars later the problem will be solved.

Corporations, universities and scientists have already begun the search.

Hang in there



You really don’t understand the animosity towards a GOVERNMENT MANDATE?

Capitalism is not driving this. Government, the religion of climate change, and corporate environmental, social & governance scores are driving this.

Perhaps a better safer potential product….
Employment….
Health….
Wealth….around the world! Lovely ideas. Could happen. There will be wealth created and surely spread amongst the masses! Well at least the costs will be spread amongst the masses!


I’m in the green energy industry. Everyone buy an electric vehicle. I recognized a long time ago to not stand in the way of government fueled juggernaut!
frankj1 Offline
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animosity toward a mandate? easily understood.

But maybe some here who love to believe conspiracy theories will like what I've been figuring for years now...even before it became apparent when the trash industry segued so smoothly into the recycling commandments that prompted many in the public to whine. it was getting tougher to find ways to get rid of refuse, so along came recycling a whole bunch of the chit. Jobs were created, social and health benefits ensued, and more wealth for the wealthy too...fast forward a few decades and a new "solution" will be coming to cities and towns near you soon cuz nothing lasts forever.
And the major players are still the major players.

Anyway, if people are gonna claim that our elected officials are in the pockets of Big Business, then doesn't it make sense that Big Business must want the mandates?
Who is better positioned to dominate the next generation of fuels and transportation than those already dominating them? They've know for decades the drilling and burning couldn't last forever, they ain't stoopid.



MACS Offline
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Yep.

I got nothing against electric vehicles. Hell, I just bought an electric bicycle.

But nobody made me do it. Nobody threatened to not allow me to buy a gas vehicle (see CA). And my OWN money was used to buy it. It was not subsidized with my tax dollars.

And more importantly, no douche-rocket was trying to virtue-signal me into buying one.
frankj1 Offline
#62 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Yep.

I got nothing against electric vehicles. Hell, I just bought an electric bicycle.

But nobody made me do it. Nobody threatened to not allow me to buy a gas vehicle (see CA). And my OWN money was used to buy it. It was not subsidized with my tax dollars.

And more importantly, no douche-rocket was trying to virtue-signal me into buying one.

but in 2035...?
the mandate has been bought and paid for, and just needs to be eased in for people to get comfortable...like recycling.
It's now a very normal part of everyday life. But it wasn't an immediate hit.
The same people who control things control this too.
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
You really don’t understand the animosity towards a GOVERNMENT MANDATE?

Capitalism is not driving this. Government, the religion of climate change, and corporate environmental, social & governance scores are driving this.

Perhaps a better safer potential product….
Employment….
Health….
Wealth….around the world! Lovely ideas. Could happen. There will be wealth created and surely spread amongst the masses! Well at least the costs will be spread amongst the masses!


I’m in the green energy industry. Everyone buy an electric vehicle. I recognized a long time ago to not stand in the way of government fueled juggernaut!

So you see this as a political issue.

I see it with engineering eyes. And no - I did not buy an EV to save the planet.
In fact, it was not even a real consideration.




Love the thread though - so many people fighting windmills...
Cheno Offline
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Mandates suck.
HockeyDad Offline
#65 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
So you see this as a political issue.

I see it with engineering eyes. And no - I did not buy an EV to save the planet.
In fact, it was not even a real consideration.




Love the thread though - so many people fighting windmills...


It absolutely is political. It is being driven by government policy, not technology advancements. That’s why it needs government mandates and massive subsidies.

When the government fills the trough with cash, sometimes you just gotta grab a fork.
Cheno Offline
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Let's also get rid of warning labels, the people that need them are the same ones who need the mandates. Things will get back under control really fast after we get rid of the ones who can't think for themselves.
HockeyDad Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
animosity toward a mandate? easily understood.

But maybe some here who love to believe conspiracy theories will like what I've been figuring for years now...even before it became apparent when the trash industry segued so smoothly into the recycling commandments that prompted many in the public to whine. it was getting tougher to find ways to get rid of refuse, so along came recycling a whole bunch of the chit. Jobs were created, social and health benefits ensued, and more wealth for the wealthy too...fast forward a few decades and a new "solution" will be coming to cities and towns near you soon cuz nothing lasts forever.
And the major players are still the major players.

Anyway, if people are gonna claim that our elected officials are in the pockets of Big Business, then doesn't it make sense that Big Business must want the mandates?
Who is better positioned to dominate the next generation of fuels and transportation than those already dominating them? They've know for decades the drilling and burning couldn't last forever, they ain't stoopid.





Recycling. Government created, mandated, and subsidized. Anyone can segue into a subsidy! Jobs were created, social and health ensued, and everyone’s costs went up.

If the government mandated that every single family home must have a tree house in the backyard, the treehouse building and maintenance industry will go wild, jobs will be created and social and health benefits will ensue.

Centralized planned economy by the government for the greater good as deemed by the government.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
You really don’t understand the animosity towards a GOVERNMENT MANDATE?

Capitalism is not driving this. Government, the religion of climate change, and corporate environmental, social & governance scores are driving this.

Perhaps a better safer potential product….
Employment….
Health….
Wealth….around the world! Lovely ideas. Could happen. There will be wealth created and surely spread amongst the masses! Well at least the costs will be spread amongst the masses!


I’m in the green energy industry. Everyone buy an electric vehicle. I recognized a long time ago to not stand in the way of government fueled juggernaut!


Remember when Hammering Hank Aaron broke the home run record? That crack of the bat...that ball screaming out of the park...that sauntering stroll around the bases being manhandled by fans and opposing teams and teammates alike?

Did anyone forget? Here then...https://youtu.be/QjqYThEVoSQ

That's this post. In a nutshell. A record homerun. SMASHED OUT OF THE PARK.

Even after Covid...this is how small their collective memory is. DUH! Now, this...their coveted religion. The sham of all shams...temperatures rising 1.0 degree over time for the last 100 years. Ignoring the facts that we've had ice ages...but no, let's chuck the petroleum industry, the nuclear and coal powered energy industry, the economy of nations all over the globe...and common sense.


Git yer electric cahs he-ah! Lectric cars...guaranteed hot...guaranteed good...git yer cahs he-ah!
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
It absolutely is political. It is being driven by government policy, not technology advancements. That’s why it needs government mandates and massive subsidies.

When the government fills the trough with cash, sometimes you just gotta grab a fork.

Oh No!

The big bad govmuts of the world are making you transition to cleaner technologies - that are all fake, will never work and just a money grab. First they made you wear seatbelt, then no more CFC's, then LED bulbs - OMFG! Time to storm the Capital. What a bunch of whiners.

Well grab a broom and hold back the ocean tide if you like.
Brewha Offline
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Cheno wrote:
Mandates suck.

Dude, you know what this place would look like without them?

Just look around you...
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Oh No!

The big bad govmuts of the world are making you transition to cleaner technologies - that are all fake, will never work and just a money grab. First they made you wear seatbelt, then no more CFC's, then LED bulbs - OMFG! Time to storm the Capital. What a bunch of whiners.

Well grab a broom and hold back the ocean tide if you like.


Here we go again with the CFCs, LED, seatbelts argument as to why government should dictate everything and the people should serve the government. Storm the Capitol yay!

It was only a matter of time before you would crack on this thread. You reek of a Prius owner.
Stogie1020 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
You wreak of a Prius owner.

Hahahahahahahaha!


But seriously, if MACS is getting on board with EVs, I think we should all consider it.
ZRX1200 Offline
#73 Posted:
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https://youtu.be/z2HneqfZGsM
MACS Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Hahahahahahahaha!


But seriously, if MACS is getting on board with EVs, I think we should all consider it.


Whoa, whoa... let's back the welcome wagon up, eh?

It's a bicycle. And I am fully 100% behind the fossil fuels I will use to charge it. But yeah... Brewha will be happy to know that when I use it... my V8 air polluting engine will be dormant.
frankj1 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Recycling. Government created, mandated, and subsidized. Anyone can segue into a subsidy! Jobs were created, social and health ensued, and everyone’s costs went up.

If the government mandated that every single family home must have a tree house in the backyard, the treehouse building and maintenance industry will go wild, jobs will be created and social and health benefits will ensue.

Centralized planned economy by the government for the greater good as deemed by the government.

you're missing the connecting piece. who really wanted the government to mandate recycling and was in position to get the electorate to do exactly that?

I'm betting it wasn't the hippie girls with leg hair.

Better chance it was Tony Soprano, or maybe Waste Management, Republic, etc.

I thought we always follow the money here. Senators don't care what you breathe.

MACS Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://youtu.be/z2HneqfZGsM


Brewha... if he bothers to watch the video... will ignore it and say but, but... YouTube.
Brewha Offline
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https://youtu.be/aHWM4jNVp_w
Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
Brewha... if he bothers to watch the video... will ignore it and say but, but... YouTube.

One must make a fair comparison.

Better does not mean perfect.
HockeyDad Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
you're missing the connecting piece. who really wanted the government to mandate recycling and was in position to get the electorate to do exactly that?

I'm betting it wasn't the hippie girls with leg hair.

Better chance it was Tony Soprano, or maybe Waste Management, Republic, etc.

I thought we always follow the money here. Senators don't care what you breathe.



So did the government want it and offer the affected companies enough money to go along with it or did the affected companies want it and lobby and bribe the government? Both happen.
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
One must make a fair comparison.

Better does not mean perfect.


Says the guy who posts (gasp!) YouTube videos of unfair comparisons. LOL
MACS Offline
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Frank... remember milk bottles? Recycled beer bottles? Recycled brown paper bags?

We were recycling sheit long before big brother said we had to, buddy. You know it, too.
Brewha Offline
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Now I know that many people have a vested interest in not seeing EV's proliferate. And by vested, I mean money.

And I know that many here will be quick to say that NO government agency can ever be trusted to get information from (especially not the CDC).

But, for what it's worth.

Here is the US Environmental Protection Agency on the EV subject.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Here we go again with the CFCs, LED, seatbelts argument as to why government should dictate everything and the people should serve the government. Storm the Capitol yay!

It was only a matter of time before you would crack on this thread. You reek of a Prius owner.



Philistine!
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Philistine!


How many Prius have you owned? Two?! Three?! We want the truth!
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
How many Prius have you owned? Two?! Three?! We want the truth!

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Now I know that many people have a vested interest in not seeing EV's proliferate. And by vested, I mean money.

And I know that many here will be quick to say that NO government agency can ever be trusted to get information from (especially not the CDC).

But, for what it's worth.

Here is the US Environmental Protection Agency on the EV subject.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths


Sure got a lot of videos for someone who bought a Tesla to NOT save the planet!
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!


Son, we live in a world that has walls. (Except the Mexico border). Those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Those men got to those walls by driving humvees and tanks that run on gasoline.
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Sure got a lot of videos for someone who bought a Tesla to NOT save the planet!

Honest as I can be with you Le HockeyDad, the one thing I did NOT like about my car was that is electric.
But as it turns out, it's the way to go for a lot of reasons.

No - I cannot drive for 300 miles to the middle of nowhere and find gas as easy as a charger.
Yes - it takes 15 minutes to charge rather that 5 minutes to refill.

But a 350 mile charge costs $11.48, and I never stop at a gas station.

And it is god damn fast.

And it effin drives itself - no, really - it does.
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Son, we live in a world that has walls. (Except the Mexico border). Those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Those men got to those walls by driving humvees and tanks that run on gasoline.


DID YOU ORDER THE CODE UNLEADED?!?








So, they make 'lelctric Humvees now....
MACS Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Son, we live in a world that has walls. (Except the Mexico border). Those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Those men got to those walls by driving humvees and tanks that run on DIESEL.


FIFY
MACS Offline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCGIWJu_22M

Global warming, beetches!!
HockeyDad Offline
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When driving to Texas I saw something funky in Needles California. On the side of a Shell gas station were three Tesla charging stations. It was kinda funny watching Teslas pulling in there to charge.

Needles is in nowhere!
HockeyDad Offline
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MACS wrote:
FIFY


I wasn’t sure that Brewha would know the difference! There ain’t no diesel Prius.
Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCGIWJu_22M

Global warming, beetches!!

No way that's climate change.... d'oh!
8trackdisco Offline
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Cheno wrote:
Mandates suck.


Celtic Bomber likes a good Man-Date.
8trackdisco Offline
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Recycling? Even Greenpeace admits it was a mistake.

A good idea with a poor outcome.

From two plus weeks ago. This one surprised

https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/greenpeace-plastic-recycling-a-waste-cuomo/8123118/
8trackdisco Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
When driving to Texas I saw something funky in Needles California. On the side of a Shell gas station were three Tesla charging stations. It was kinda funny watching Teslas pulling in there to charge.

Needles is in nowhere!


Snoopy's brother Spike was from Needles. Then again, in California, there are Needles everywhere.
frankj1 Offline
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MACS wrote:
Frank... remember milk bottles? Recycled beer bottles? Recycled brown paper bags?

We were recycling sheit long before big brother said we had to, buddy. You know it, too.

I remember my parents leaving empty milk bottles in the box on the stoop for the milkman (ours was a man) to take at the next delivery, but no money lost nor earned.

Don't remember brown bags going anywhere other than in my recycling bin.

but, at least around here, beer bottles and cans, soda bottles and cans, etc. etc. had deposits charged to make people feel like they were throwing away money when they littered...idiots used to throw bottles and cans out of the car windows.
Somehow, turning that disrespectful act into throwing away money worked.
At least in MA...much less road side trash.

I think the redeemable money deposits above and recycling glass/plastics/newsprint/cans etc are mutually exclusive acts of recycling.
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I lost faith in recycling. I'm not opposed to the idea, but around here it's a hoax. A guy in waste management said they used to separate items, but it was determined to be too costly, so it all gets dumped now. They still have the different colored bins, but only for the optics.
frankj1 Offline
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
I lost faith in recycling. I'm not opposed to the idea, but around here it's a hoax. A guy in waste management said they used to separate items, but it was determined to be too costly, so it all gets dumped now. They still have the different colored bins, but only for the optics.

in another thread I mentioned how it's time for certain industries to put the touch on government to reimagine recycling...I used different words, but you get the point. (I don't want HD to yell at me again).
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