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Kari Lake in AZ won't concede the Governor's race...
RayR Offline
#51 Posted:
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Ya, can't have that. it'll rock the boat...upset the status quo...it's the will of the people they say.
RayR Offline
#52 Posted:
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Who is this despicable individual?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n0DuBFLCbIs

rfenst Offline
#53 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Kari Lake ain’t gonna be governor.

It's over.
She would have to show ACTUAL FRAUD and a material (enough to change the outcome) vote discrepancy, if any , as well as overtake the number of votes she lost by.
Brewha Offline
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rfenst wrote:
It's over.
She would have to show ACTUAL FRAUD and a material (enough to change the outcome) vote discrepancy, if any , as well as overtake the number of votes she lost by.

I dunno - she sure got a lot of chumps buying it just by whining about it.

Next election Republican platform talking point:
“..and when I loose, I will vigorously protest the obvious voter fraud…”
ZRX1200 Offline
#55 Posted:
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Anyone who dislikes Kerri Lake or her politics is obviously just upset she won’t date them.

~AOC
Brewha Offline
#56 Posted:
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Come on man, Kari Lake looks like a milf with a expired date stamp
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Come on man, Kari Lake looks like a milf with a expired date stamp



Misogynist
rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Anyone who dislikes Kerri Lake or her politics is obviously just upset she won’t date them.

~AOC

I think she dates/would date women?
Sunoverbeach Offline
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You know you're an adult when you care more about your parents health than they do
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I think she dates/would date women?


And there's something wrong with that?
But you are just spreading fake news.
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
I dunno - she sure got a lot of chumps buying it just by whining about it.

Next election Republican platform talking point:
“..and when I loose, I will vigorously protest the obvious voter fraud…”



Typical. Just swallow the load because your side won. Ignore the evidence presented in a court of law by subject matter experts who clearly showed it was intentional. Ignore poll workers (both dem and rep agreeing) that the number of people who came in and signed in to vote did not match the actual number of ballots they counted (by hundreds).

And once again... go fornicate yourself you flaming douchenozzle.
frankj1 Offline
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actually, she's down to two possible shots out of her original 8 or 10 that the courts won't even hear.
Still a better batting average than Donald and Rudy who got one out of 62.

Shawn, when someone states BEFORE the election that if she loses she will claim a conspiracy fraud, why wouldn't that be a hint of nonsense to ensue?
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#63 Posted:
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Remember, the Cheetoh and Chief wanted all of the credit for all the congressional republican victories and none of the blame for any of the loses?

The quick guide is if a Trumper lost, it was stolen. It has to be, because Trump and his acolytes are Perfect.

Lake is the obvious error-a-parent to Trump.
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The funny thing is Lake would have won easily against a weak Katie Hobbs if she had run on issues instead of just being Trump in a skirt.
MACS Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
actually, she's down to two possible shots out of her original 8 or 10 that the courts won't even hear.
Still a better batting average than Donald and Rudy who got one out of 62.

Shawn, when someone states BEFORE the election that if she loses she will claim a conspiracy fraud, why wouldn't that be a hint of nonsense to ensue?


When she's polling waaaaaaay ahead of a weak opponent who won't even debate, why the hell WOULDN'T she believe shenanigans happened?

Why would the media even ask her if she would concede if she lost when she was so far ahead? Does that make sense to you?

How do they have a candidate for governor in charge of the whole election? Didn't the dems say that was no bueno in GA (or wherever it was) when it happened there? But now it's cool?
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Being a baby must be difficult. Imagine utilizing all of tour power to the end of a room, and some big one just picks you up and replaces you where you started.
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
When she's polling waaaaaaay ahead of a weak opponent who won't even debate, why the hell WOULDN'T she believe shenanigans happened?

Why would the media even ask her if she would concede if she lost when she was so far ahead? Does that make sense to you?

How do they have a candidate for governor in charge of the whole election? Didn't the dems say that was no bueno in GA (or wherever it was) when it happened there? But now it's cool?


MACS, we have RIGGED ELECTION DENIERS here, they are still convinced no matter the evidence that it can't happen here because this is AMERIKA. Brick wall
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MACS wrote:
Typical. Just swallow the load because your side won. Ignore the evidence presented in a court of law by subject matter experts who clearly showed it was intentional. Ignore poll workers (both dem and rep agreeing) that the number of people who came in and signed in to vote did not match the actual number of ballots they counted (by hundreds).

And once again... go fornicate yourself you flaming douchenozzle.

Sorry macs. Emotional opinion pieces on YouTube are not considered “evidence” in a court of law (I have no idea why - who bout you?)

But perhaps you could show us the “real” evidence?
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frankj1 wrote:
actually, she's down to two possible shots out of her original 8 or 10 that the courts won't even hear.
Still a better batting average than Donald and Rudy who got one out of 62.

Shawn, when someone states BEFORE the election that if she loses she will claim a conspiracy fraud, why wouldn't that be a hint of nonsense to ensue?

I dunno Frank.

Macs could be onto something. He is “wicked smart” - He told me so. More than once.
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I think Schiff seen some... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Misogynist

Philistine!
RayR Offline
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Is this the way to run a DUHMACRACY?

Arizona Election Lawsuit REVEALS Un-Disclosed Ballot Printing Issues

https://youtu.be/xHEZ1t_PorU
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Arizona Judge Rejects Kari Lake’s Effort to Overturn Her Election Loss

NYT

A state judge on Saturday rejected Kari Lake’s last-ditch effort to overturn her defeat in the Arizona governor’s race, dismissing for lack of evidence her last two claims of misconduct by Maricopa County election officials.

The ruling, after a two-day trial in Phoenix that ended Thursday, follows more than six weeks of claims by Ms. Lake, a Republican, that she was robbed of victory last month — assertions that echoed the false contention that was at the heart of her campaign: that an even larger theft had stolen the 2020 presidential election from Donald J. Trump.

Ms. Lake and her supporters conjured up what they called a deliberate effort by election officials in Maricopa County, the state’s largest county, to disenfranchise her voters. But they never provided evidence of such intentional malfeasance, nor even evidence that any voters had been disenfranchised.

In a 10-page ruling, Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson acknowledged “the anger and frustration of voters who were subjected to inconvenience and confusion at voter centers as technical problems arose” in this year’s election.

But he said his duty was “not solely to incline an ear to public outcry,” and noted that, in seeking to overturn Katie Hobbs’s victory by a 17,117-vote margin, Ms. Lake was pursuing a remedy that appeared unprecedented.

“A court setting such a margin aside, as far as the Court is able to determine, has never been done in the history of the United States,” Judge Thompson wrote.

He went on to rule flatly that Ms. Lake and the witnesses she called had failed to provide evidence of intentional misconduct that changed the election’s outcome.

“Plaintiff has no free-standing right to challenge election results based upon what Plaintiff believes — rightly or wrongly — went awry on Election Day,” the judge wrote. “She must, as a matter of law, prove a ground that the legislature has provided as a basis for challenging an election.”


Undaunted, Ms. Lake insisted her case had “provided the world with evidence that proves our elections are run outside of the law,” and said she would appeal “for the sake of restoring faith and honesty in our elections.”

Ms. Lake, a former Phoenix television news anchor, lost to Ms. Hobbs, a Democrat who is the Arizona secretary of state, and who rose to national prominence when she resisted efforts by Trump loyalists to overturn the vote in 2020.

A moment of reflection. In the aftermath of the midterms, Democrats and Republicans face key questions about the future of their parties. With the House and Senate now decided, here’s where things stand:

Biden’s tough choice. President Biden, who had the best midterms of any president in 20 years as Democrats maintained a narrow hold on the Senate, feels buoyant after the results. But as he nears his 80th birthday, he confronts a decision on whether to run again.

Is Trump’s grip loosening? Ignoring Republicans’ concerns that he was to blame for the party’s weak midterms showing, Donald J. Trump announced his third bid for the presidency. But some of his staunchest allies are already inching away from him.

G.O.P leaders face dissent. After a poor midterms performance, Representative Kevin McCarthy and Senator Mitch McConnell faced threats to their power from an emboldened right flank. Will the divisions in the party’s ranks make the G.O.P.-controlled House an unmanageable mess?

A new era for House Democrats. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the first woman to serve in the post and the face of House Democrats for two decades, will not pursue a leadership post in the next Congress, paving the way for fresher faces at the top of the party.

Divided government. What does a Republican-controlled House and a Democratic-run Senate mean for the next two years? Most likely a return to the gridlock and brinkmanship that have defined a divided federal government in recent years.

Ms. Lake’s legal challenge, brought against Maricopa County and Ms. Hobbs, was a rallying point for the election denial movement that grew out of Mr. Trump’s refusal to accept his defeat. Since Election Day, Ms. Lake has appeared twice alongside the former president at his Mar-a-Lago resort, vowing to fight on.

The verdict deals a blow to that movement’s efforts to challenge the results of the 2022 election. Republican candidates running on Mr. Trump’s false claims lost important races in battleground states and, according to postelection polls, generated an increase in confidence in the election system among both Democrats and Republicans.

According to Democracy Docket, a left-leaning election law group founded by the Democratic campaign lawyer Marc Elias, 15 lawsuits have been brought by candidates or their campaigns over federal, statewide and legislative races since this year’s election — a steep drop from the 36 filed in 2020, 16 of them on behalf of Mr. Trump and his campaign and more by his allies.

On Monday, the judge had rejected eight of 10 claims by Ms. Lake, including a hodgepodge of conspiracy theories and vague allegations contained in a complaint filed earlier this month. He ruled that Ms. Lake could proceed on two counts

To prevail on one claim, Ms. Lake needed to prove that a county election official had deliberately caused ballot printers to malfunction for the purpose of swaying election results, and that the outcome flipped as a result.

To prevail on the other, she needed to prove that officials had purposely violated chain-of-custody procedures for handling ballots and, again, that this noncompliance had swayed the election’s outcome.

But Judge Thompson ruled that Ms. Lake came nowhere near meeting those benchmarks. No election official was ever identified as responsible for malfeasance, and no voters were identified as having been disenfranchised — let alone the thousands it would have taken to tip the ou
tcome.

About the best Ms. Lake’s team was able to come up with was a cybersecurity specialist from Alabama, Clay Parikh — one of a number of people who have been working nationwide to promote election-denial theories — who testified that he had inspected some Arizona ballots and concluded that they were printing out 19-inch ballots on 20-inch paper.

“This could not be an accident,” Mr. Parikh said. But he could offer no more than theories to support his contention.

Mr. Parikh and others involved in Ms. Lake’s case have ties to Mike Lindell, the pillow manufacturer who is a central figure among election conspiracy theorists. Mr. Lindell has said he was helping to finance Ms. Lake’s legal challenge, and his own lawyer, Kurt Olsen, has led Ms. Lake’s legal team.

Testifying on Thursday, as thousands of people watched online, Maricopa County’s Election Day director, Scott Jarrett, said that the ballots Mr. Parikh had inspected all came from a few voting locations where technicians had mistakenly switched the settings of ballot printers in an effort to try to fix problems with printers that weren’t heating up properly.

Mr. Jarrett stressed that, regardless of the printer malfunctions and any other issues that created lines at some voting locations, none of those were intentional and all voters were able to vote, one way or the other.

Judge Thompson wrote that even Mr. Parikh had acknowledged that voters who faced mechanical snags still had their votes counted. The “printer failures did not actually affect the results of the election,” he wrote.

Other witnesses for Ms. Lake sought to portray the problems on Election Day as causing longer lines than the county acknowledged. One right-wing pollster cited data from his own exit poll as support for the idea that turnout must have been affected, because many people who had told him they planned to vote did not complete his survey.

But an expert testifying for the defense, Kenneth Mayer, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin, called the claims made by Ms. Lake’s witnesses “pure speculation” and said their use of polling data was invalid.

Judge Thompson dismissed the pollster’s whole line of argument. “Election contests are decided by votes, not by polling responses,” he wrote.


Ms. Lake’s lawyers and witnesses also sought to raise doubts about county procedures that ensure security throughout the vote-counting process.

Mr. Jarrett, however, detailed extensive security procedures, including the sealing and documentation of batches of ballots, and insisted that they were followed. “If any ballots were inserted or rejected or lost in that process,” he testified, “we would know.”

Three other midterm election challenges in Arizona have also failed in court, including the dismissal on Friday of a challenge brought by Abraham Hamadeh, a Republican attorney general candidate whose 511-vote deficit to Kris Mayes, a Democrat, triggered a state-mandated recount...
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rfenst wrote:
Arizona Judge Rejects Kari Lake’s Effort to Overturn Her Election Loss

NYT

A state judge on Saturday rejected Kari Lake’s last-ditch effort to overturn her defeat in the Arizona governor’s race, dismissing for lack of evidence her last two claims of misconduct by Maricopa County election officials.

The ruling, after a two-day trial in Phoenix that ended Thursday, follows more than six weeks of claims by Ms. Lake, a Republican, that she was robbed of victory last month — assertions that echoed the false contention that was at the heart of her campaign: that an even larger theft had stolen the 2020 presidential election from Donald J. Trump.

Ms. Lake and her supporters conjured up what they called a deliberate effort by election officials in Maricopa County, the state’s largest county, to disenfranchise her voters. But they never provided evidence of such intentional malfeasance, nor even evidence that any voters had been disenfranchised.

In a 10-page ruling, Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson acknowledged “the anger and frustration of voters who were subjected to inconvenience and confusion at voter centers as technical problems arose” in this year’s election.

But he said his duty was “not solely to incline an ear to public outcry,” and noted that, in seeking to overturn Katie Hobbs’s victory by a 17,117-vote margin, Ms. Lake was pursuing a remedy that appeared unprecedented.

“A court setting such a margin aside, as far as the Court is able to determine, has never been done in the history of the United States,” Judge Thompson wrote.

He went on to rule flatly that Ms. Lake and the witnesses she called had failed to provide evidence of intentional misconduct that changed the election’s outcome.

“Plaintiff has no free-standing right to challenge election results based upon what Plaintiff believes — rightly or wrongly — went awry on Election Day,” the judge wrote. “She must, as a matter of law, prove a ground that the legislature has provided as a basis for challenging an election.”


Undaunted, Ms. Lake insisted her case had “provided the world with evidence that proves our elections are run outside of the law,” and said she would appeal “for the sake of restoring faith and honesty in our elections.”

Ms. Lake, a former Phoenix television news anchor, lost to Ms. Hobbs, a Democrat who is the Arizona secretary of state, and who rose to national prominence when she resisted efforts by Trump loyalists to overturn the vote in 2020.

A moment of reflection. In the aftermath of the midterms, Democrats and Republicans face key questions about the future of their parties. With the House and Senate now decided, here’s where things stand:

Biden’s tough choice. President Biden, who had the best midterms of any president in 20 years as Democrats maintained a narrow hold on the Senate, feels buoyant after the results. But as he nears his 80th birthday, he confronts a decision on whether to run again.

Is Trump’s grip loosening? Ignoring Republicans’ concerns that he was to blame for the party’s weak midterms showing, Donald J. Trump announced his third bid for the presidency. But some of his staunchest allies are already inching away from him.

G.O.P leaders face dissent. After a poor midterms performance, Representative Kevin McCarthy and Senator Mitch McConnell faced threats to their power from an emboldened right flank. Will the divisions in the party’s ranks make the G.O.P.-controlled House an unmanageable mess?

A new era for House Democrats. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the first woman to serve in the post and the face of House Democrats for two decades, will not pursue a leadership post in the next Congress, paving the way for fresher faces at the top of the party.

Divided government. What does a Republican-controlled House and a Democratic-run Senate mean for the next two years? Most likely a return to the gridlock and brinkmanship that have defined a divided federal government in recent years.

Ms. Lake’s legal challenge, brought against Maricopa County and Ms. Hobbs, was a rallying point for the election denial movement that grew out of Mr. Trump’s refusal to accept his defeat. Since Election Day, Ms. Lake has appeared twice alongside the former president at his Mar-a-Lago resort, vowing to fight on.

The verdict deals a blow to that movement’s efforts to challenge the results of the 2022 election. Republican candidates running on Mr. Trump’s false claims lost important races in battleground states and, according to postelection polls, generated an increase in confidence in the election system among both Democrats and Republicans.

According to Democracy Docket, a left-leaning election law group founded by the Democratic campaign lawyer Marc Elias, 15 lawsuits have been brought by candidates or their campaigns over federal, statewide and legislative races since this year’s election — a steep drop from the 36 filed in 2020, 16 of them on behalf of Mr. Trump and his campaign and more by his allies.

On Monday, the judge had rejected eight of 10 claims by Ms. Lake, including a hodgepodge of conspiracy theories and vague allegations contained in a complaint filed earlier this month. He ruled that Ms. Lake could proceed on two counts

To prevail on one claim, Ms. Lake needed to prove that a county election official had deliberately caused ballot printers to malfunction for the purpose of swaying election results, and that the outcome flipped as a result.

To prevail on the other, she needed to prove that officials had purposely violated chain-of-custody procedures for handling ballots and, again, that this noncompliance had swayed the election’s outcome.

But Judge Thompson ruled that Ms. Lake came nowhere near meeting those benchmarks. No election official was ever identified as responsible for malfeasance, and no voters were identified as having been disenfranchised — let alone the thousands it would have taken to tip the ou
tcome.

About the best Ms. Lake’s team was able to come up with was a cybersecurity specialist from Alabama, Clay Parikh — one of a number of people who have been working nationwide to promote election-denial theories — who testified that he had inspected some Arizona ballots and concluded that they were printing out 19-inch ballots on 20-inch paper.

“This could not be an accident,” Mr. Parikh said. But he could offer no more than theories to support his contention.

Mr. Parikh and others involved in Ms. Lake’s case have ties to Mike Lindell, the pillow manufacturer who is a central figure among election conspiracy theorists. Mr. Lindell has said he was helping to finance Ms. Lake’s legal challenge, and his own lawyer, Kurt Olsen, has led Ms. Lake’s legal team.

Testifying on Thursday, as thousands of people watched online, Maricopa County’s Election Day director, Scott Jarrett, said that the ballots Mr. Parikh had inspected all came from a few voting locations where technicians had mistakenly switched the settings of ballot printers in an effort to try to fix problems with printers that weren’t heating up properly.

Mr. Jarrett stressed that, regardless of the printer malfunctions and any other issues that created lines at some voting locations, none of those were intentional and all voters were able to vote, one way or the other.

Judge Thompson wrote that even Mr. Parikh had acknowledged that voters who faced mechanical snags still had their votes counted. The “printer failures did not actually affect the results of the election,” he wrote.

Other witnesses for Ms. Lake sought to portray the problems on Election Day as causing longer lines than the county acknowledged. One right-wing pollster cited data from his own exit poll as support for the idea that turnout must have been affected, because many people who had told him they planned to vote did not complete his survey.

But an expert testifying for the defense, Kenneth Mayer, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin, called the claims made by Ms. Lake’s witnesses “pure speculation” and said their use of polling data was invalid.

Judge Thompson dismissed the pollster’s whole line of argument. “Election contests are decided by votes, not by polling responses,” he wrote.


Ms. Lake’s lawyers and witnesses also sought to raise doubts about county procedures that ensure security throughout the vote-counting process.

Mr. Jarrett, however, detailed extensive security procedures, including the sealing and documentation of batches of ballots, and insisted that they were followed. “If any ballots were inserted or rejected or lost in that process,” he testified, “we would know.”

Three other midterm election challenges in Arizona have also failed in court, including the dismissal on Friday of a challenge brought by Abraham Hamadeh, a Republican attorney general candidate whose 511-vote deficit to Kris Mayes, a Democrat, triggered a state-mandated recount...

dismissing for lack of evidence

that's like the millionth time the GOP has been told that...by judges appointed by every POTUS going back to RayGun.
At some point, painful as it is to admit to oneself, ya gotta admit you've been had by a very, very good con man.
rfenst Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
dismissing for lack of evidence

that's like the millionth time the GOP has been told that...by judges appointed by every POTUS going back to RayGun.
At some point, painful as it is to admit to oneself, ya gotta admit you've been had by a very, very good con man.

Another group of lawyers who, just like Giuliani, filed professionally meritless claims...
Brewha Offline
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Yet we STILL have peeps saying “there was something fishy” about the election.

What’s fishy is that again there is ZERO evidence of fraud against another candidate that predicted voter fraud before they lost.

What floors me is that some azzclown like Trump says that you cannot trust anyone, any office of government, any agency- except him.
And people BUY it!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Yes it doesn’t matter that over 300k votes have an admitted in court chain of custody problem and employees were bragging about that. Or that someone testified that if their wasn’t the issues they had she would have been elected. I will state just like with Cheeto the outcome isn’t the problem it’s what’s happening. And as evidenced by posts here you can see the discussions stay in the vein that’s preferred.
MACS Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes it doesn’t matter that over 300k votes have an admitted in court chain of custody problem and employees were bragging about that. Or that someone testified that if their wasn’t the issues they had she would have been elected. I will state just like with Cheeto the outcome isn’t the problem it’s what’s happening. And as evidenced by posts here you can see the discussions stay in the vein that’s preferred.



Dem and Rep poll workers BOTH saying that the number of ballots they had was hundreds more than the number of people who signed in to vote. Yeah. Nothing at all fishy about that.

Move along... nothing to see here... these aren't the droids you're looking for.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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People celebrate Dec 31 every year worldwide, but nobody cares about Feb 29th that only happens once every four years
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes it doesn’t matter that over 300k votes have an admitted in court chain of custody problem and employees were bragging about that. Or that someone testified that if their wasn’t the issues they had she would have been elected. I will state just like with Cheeto the outcome isn’t the problem it’s what’s happening. And as evidenced by posts here you can see the discussions stay in the vein that’s preferred.

So where is the evidence Z?

Are you saying the courts are corrupt? Because right now all I see is them not signing off on a Big Foot sighting…
ZRX1200 Offline
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Did I say courts are corrupt? Maybe you should hear testimony from the trial and not just read MSM……because that’s what I was quoting was testimony. Case was dismissed because they didn’t prove intent.

How do you feel about evidence that doesn’t have proper chain of custody? Because I’m this case people could possibly be fired/charged (won’t happen) but no matter what the votes count. Again as with Cheeto I’m not in a huff over results I didn’t vote for. I’m disgusted by what’s happening and the 💩 sandwich people can’t get enough of eating.
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The challenge was doomed. The bar set was you had to prove there was a problem, prove it was malicious, and prove it affected enough votes to change the election. What would the recourse be….redo the election? Reward it to the loser Kari? Never was gonna happen.

rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes it doesn’t matter that over 300k votes have an admitted in court chain of custody problem and employees were bragging about that. Or that someone testified that if their wasn’t the issues they had she would have been elected. I will state just like with Cheeto the outcome isn’t the problem it’s what’s happening. And as evidenced by posts here you can see the discussions stay in the vein that’s preferred.

Proof please.. Not testimony. Proof.
Her experts' testimony was insufficient or rejected by the court.
RayR Offline
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There is no such thing as an honest duhmacracy anymore.
Everything is rigged...ballot harvesting, early voting, conveniently broken voting machines, and a Secretary of State that crowned herself as the winner.
Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
The challenge was doomed. The bar set was you had to prove there was a problem, prove it was malicious, and prove it affected enough votes to change the election. What would the recourse be….redo the election? Reward it to the loser Kari? Never was gonna happen.

She didn't prove any of those things, so the potential recourse is irrelevant, but still should be contained in Arizona's statutes. Her arguments didn't hold up to scrutiny according to the Judge. Now, she can appeal, if the appellate court will even take the case (requires a showing of fundamental error with deference to the trial court ruling).
RayR Offline
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So true...

Ballot Harvesting, Vote Fraud, and “Marxist Tactics” of Today’s Demo-Bolshevik Party

Thomas DiLorenzo

Quote:
“For [Karl Marx] all politics was only the continuation of war by other means; his political art was always political tactics. The socialist parties . . . have kept this up . . . . They have elaborated the technique of agitation, the cadging for votes and for souls, the stirring up of electoral excitement, the street demonstrations, and the terrorism. To learn the technique of these things requires years of hard study . . . . [T]he Marxians give more attention to questions of organization and of tactics than to the most important problems of politics . . . . [N]othing interests them at all except from the point of view of party tactics . . . they have no interest to spare for anything else.”

— Ludwig von Mises, Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis, pp. 417-418

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/ballot-harvesting-vote-fraud-and-marxist-tactics-of-todays-demo-bolshevik-party/
ZRX1200 Offline
#87 Posted:
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Oh FFS Robert can you be any more sanctimonious?

Problems at 132 tabulation machines. FACT.

Chain on custody issues for 275k ballots. FACT.

Ballots printed in the wrong format (19” not 20” witness stated could NOT be done on accident) FACT.

I care as much about Lake as you do talking about what’s actually wrong here.
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
She didn't prove any of those things, so the potential recourse is irrelevant, but still should be contained in Arizona's statutes. Her arguments didn't hold up to scrutiny according to the Judge. Now, she can appeal, if the appellate court will even take the case (requires a showing of fundamental error with deference to the trial court ruling).


No need to appeal. The government ran the election. There was some oddities but the government said that didn’t affect anything. The government certified the election.

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Eye drops are technically blinker fluid
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Did I say courts are corrupt? Maybe you should hear testimony from the trial and not just read MSM……because that’s what I was quoting was testimony. Case was dismissed because they didn’t prove intent.

How do you feel about evidence that doesn’t have proper chain of custody? Because I’m this case people could possibly be fired/charged (won’t happen) but no matter what the votes count. Again as with Cheeto I’m not in a huff over results I didn’t vote for. I’m disgusted by what’s happening and the 💩 sandwich people can’t get enough of eating.

Sounds to me like you are going with Big Foot.

A lot of “what abouts” and no conclusions or evidence.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh FFS Robert can you be any more sanctimonious?

Problems at 132 tabulation machines. FACT.

Chain on custody issues for 275k ballots. FACT.

Ballots printed in the wrong format (19” not 20” witness stated could NOT be done on accident) FACT.

I care as much about Lake as you do talking about what’s actually wrong here.

You realize that finding a drop of blood on the floor does not necessarily mean a murder occurred - right?
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This is this cat
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Now read the 3rd word in each line
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And if the floor is covered in blood you think everything is fine.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
And if the floor is covered in blood you think everything is fine.

No - I’ll give it to you that there are many issues with the voting process that need to be fixed. That without going to gerrymandering or people trying to suppress votes.

That said, if you claim murder then produce the body.

Lake was crying murder before the first vote was even cast. So it was her plan, not a reaction to evidence.
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More like murder but being let off because no proof of intent….

It was an inadvertent murder.

Gerrymandering happens from both sides.

Suppressing votes, that is goddamn ironic given your view on this. Let’s apply the same, no proof of intent no case.

When did you stop beating your wife?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh FFS Robert can you be any more sanctimonious?

No, I cannot.
I lost respect for you years ago.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
More like murder but being let off because no proof of intent….

It was an inadvertent murder.

Gerrymandering happens from both sides.

Suppressing votes, that is goddamn ironic given your view on this. Let’s apply the same, no proof of intent no case.

When did you stop beating your wife?

Who told you I stopped?




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Judge orders Kari Lake to repay thousands of dollars in fees related to election lawsuit



CBS NEWS

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson on Wednesday ordered former Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake to cover about $33,000 in costs for some of the fees related to her failed lawsuit against Democratic Governor-elect Katie Hobbs and Maricopa County officials. But the judge denied the defendants' request to sanction Lake and her attorneys over her lawsuit challenging the integrity of the election.

Thompson also denied a request from the defendants for Lake to repay all of Hobbs' attorneys' fees related to the lawsuit. Maricopa County, in a motion filed and and joined by Hobbs on Tuesday, urged the judge to sanction Lake over the lawsuit, which they said was filed in "bad faith."

On Christmas Eve, Thompson threw out Lake's lawsuit against Maricopa County officials and Hobbs challenging her defeat. Lake has informed the court that she plans to appeal the dismissal.

Thompson said Wednesday that the prevailing party in his court is entitled to an award of some taxable costs, including the fees for witnesses and the cost of compensating someone to be present to inspect the ballots. That amounts to a little over $33,000 in this case.

"There is no doubt that each side believes firmly in its position with great conviction," Thompson wrote. "The fact that the plaintiff failed to meet the burden of clear and convincing evidence required ... does not equate to a finding that her claims were, or were not, groundless and presented in bad faith."


Lake, an ardent Trump supporter, followed in his footsteps in making claims of widespread election fraud. Lake had pledged she wouldn't accept the results of the gubernatorial election if she lost. She did lose, by about 17,000 votes. Her thrown-out lawsuit alleged that printer issues and illegal voting, largely in the populous Maricopa County, where Phoenix is located, cost her the election, but Thompson's ruling said "The Court DOES NOT find clear and convincing evidence of misconduct" to support those claims.
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Where did the man go after the bombing?

Everywhere
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That black-robed diety, Peter Thompson sounds like a gutless coward, carrying water for the regime.

Judge Peter Thompson Rules Elections with Broken Machines in 60% of Precincts and No Chain of Custody for Ballots Are Free, Fair and Certifiable

By Jim Hoft
Published December 25, 2022 at 9:00am

Quote:
Judge Peter Thompson ruled that when 60% of election centers have broken machines and hundreds of thousands of ballots are counted without chain of custody, this constitutes a free and fair election.

It is crooked officials like Judge Thompson who will bring down this great nation.

Here again, are the key points ignored by Judge Thompson in Kari Lake’s lawsuit.

Judge Thompson had to go out of his way to ignore Arizona election laws to dismiss this case.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/judge-peter-thompson-rules-elections-broken-machines-60-precincts-no-chain-custody-ballots-free-fair-certifiable/


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