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Kari Lake in AZ won't concede the Governor's race...
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#101 Posted:
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Kari Lake appeals her loss in election lawsuit, judge's order to pay rival $33K in fees


Arizona Republic
Kari Lake is appealing her election challenge loss, asking the state Court of Appeals late Tuesday to reconsider all 10 counts she originally cited in her lawsuit, as well as a decision ordering her to pay $33,000 in fees to Katie Hobbs' legal team.

Lake, a Donald Trump-endorsed Republican, also indicated she will ask the state Supreme Court for direct review of the appeal.

Her filing comes hours after Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson closed her case, which played out over a two-day trial and then a holiday weekend of court filings between plaintiff's attorneys and defense attorneys over sanctions and legal fees.

Lake lost her race for Arizona governor to Democrat Katie Hobbs by 17,117 votes.

Lake is asking the Appeals Court to examine Thompson's dismissal of eight of her original 10 complaints, Thompson's Dec. 24 ruling rejecting the remaining two counts and Tuesday's decision on fees — essentially questioning every decision he made in her case.

Lake's case revolved around claims that Maricopa County officials and Arizona Secretary of State Hobbs deliberately rigged the election to prevent Lake from winning. Thompson ruled that Lake failed to provide clear and convincing evidence there were intentional moves to change ballot-printer settings and to disrupt the chain of custody for ballots in Maricopa County, the key arguments Lake and her attorneys made to the court during the trial.


The courts are likely to move quickly on this matter. Hobbs and other statewide officials are slated to be sworn into office on Tuesday.

Republican Mark Finchem, who lost his race for secretary of state, also has signaled he will appeal his case, which was dismissed Dec. 16.

Abe Hamadeh, the Republican candidate for attorney general, also lost his election challenge. But he said he would wait for the results of an automatic recount of his race against Democrat Kris Mayes before deciding what to do next. He lost by 511 votes. The recount results are scheduled for release at 10 a.m. Thursday.
RayR Offline
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Ah! ...So there are 3 cases. Must have been a whole lot of cheatin' going on.
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#103 Posted:
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Kari Lake@KariLake

🚨 BOMBSHELL DISCOVERY 🚨

Today’s Senate Testimony CONFIRMS nearly 40,000 ballots illegally counted (10% of the signatures reviewed).

I think all the “Election Deniers” out there deserve an apology.



https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/01/in_arizona_bombshell_new_evidence_of_maricopa_county_election_wrongdoing.html

Think

weird.
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#104 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Ah! ...So there are 3 cases. Must have been a whole lot of cheatin' going on.



There is no cheating going on, no election fraud whatsoever. Unless a Republican wins, then there is Russian collusion and then there is sooo much cheating!

See, the cheating hides itself until a Rep wins, it like "rests" until next time.
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#105 Posted:
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teddyballgame wrote:
There is no cheating going on, no election fraud whatsoever. Unless a Republican wins, then there is Russian collusion and then there is sooo much cheating!

See, the cheating hides itself until a Rep wins, it like "rests" until next time.



So it's like herpes?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
So it's like herpes?



BINGO!

But very targeted OCD political herpes.

I think the scientific term is "HypocriHerpes"
Mr. Jones Online
#107 Posted:
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DMV IS REALLY A JANITOR IN TEXAS....


BWUUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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#108 Posted:
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https://youtu.be/pnVxaDwFXn8

Well, that was interesting.
RayR Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://youtu.be/pnVxaDwFXn8

Well, that was interesting.


Holy Corruption, Depravity, and Wickedness! She going way down the rabbit hole!


“The State is an inherently illegitimate institution of organized aggression, of organized and regularized crime against the persons and properties of its subjects… a profoundly antisocial institution which lives parasitically off of the productive activities of private citizens.” - Murray Rothbard
MACS Offline
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Hope this lady has a protective detail. If the politicians are conspiring with the cartels... she is now a big ol' target.
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Yeah, but nothing to see here.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, but nothing to see here.


I'd ask how this is not on every news channel, but I know the answer.
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I wouldn't jump on this lady's bandwagon too quickly, there are serious issues with her credibility...

https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2023/02/27/republican-leaders-condemn-defamatory-accusations-made-during-elections-hearing/


Among other reasons, the attorney she references "working for" has his law license suspended (I confirmed).
RayR Offline
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They are all on the take of cartel money, it's too convenient for them to launch ad hominem attacks on the accusers to discredit the evidence.
Character assassination first, that's always the corrupt accused political class's first move.
Why weren't the police notified of the evidence? They are on the take too ALlEGeDlY?
Why did the Democrats not even show up for the hearing? Everybody knows they are on the take. Even showing up would lend credibility to the hearing.
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Stogie1020 wrote:
I wouldn't jump on this lady's bandwagon too quickly, there are serious issues with her credibility...

https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2023/02/27/republican-leaders-condemn-defamatory-accusations-made-during-elections-hearing/


Among other reasons, the attorney she references "working for" has his law license suspended (I confirmed).

curious if there's any connection between Rep Liz Harris and Harris/Thaler Law Firm...
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Here's more at GP...

SHOCKING: AZ Senate/House Elections Presenter Claims That Sinaloa Cartel Uses Bribes, Money Laundering, Election Fraud to Control Elected Officials and Traffic Drugs, Humans, Ballots in Arizona\

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/shocking-az-senate-house-elections-presenter-claims-that-sinaloa-cartel-uses-bribes-money-laundering-election-fraud-to-control-elected-officials-and-traffic-drugs-humans-ballots-in-arizona/
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Stogie1020 wrote:
I wouldn't jump on this lady's bandwagon too quickly, there are serious issues with her credibility...

https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2023/02/27/republican-leaders-condemn-defamatory-accusations-made-during-elections-hearing/

Among other reasons, the attorney she references "working for" has his law license suspended (I confirmed).


Certainly a reason to withhold judgment... but if the Dems are doing it ya know the Reps gotta be in on that boondoggle or they'd have spilled already.

I have no faith in Dems and very little in Reps at this point. Our gov't is fooked on every level.
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This lady didn’t accuse democrats, she accused a large swath.

Stogie I don’t whole cloth believing anyone, and I think my first impression was not believing their “expert” but wondering about the charges or leaving back doors in programs. What she said the cartels were doing is very believable, the involvement of politicians wouldn’t shock me. Nor would it shock me if untrue.

However the stuff with the back doors I think warrants a vetting, I don’t trust our centralized powers though if this does have a tie in.
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Don't mess wit da sinaloa cartel...

Unless you like eternity in a mexican drainage ditch...
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So the independant 3rd party investigation into the AZ election ballot boondogle has wrapped up and a report has been filed saying it was not human caused, but rather a techincal problem. It also says that ALL of the problem ballots were eventually counted.

Here's the rub, though.

1. The report identified the voting locations that had the problem. My voting location was not listed depsite it having the problem (I was there and witnessed it).
2. The report says that all of the problem ballots were counted anyway, so it doesn't matter. Truthfully, I saw people NOT vote because the line to get your ballot grew so long people were unwilling to wait. Maybe they went elsewhere, maybe not. The ballot printer issues caused poll workers to suspend printing ballots for a time period and the lines grew and grew. I personally saw people get fed up with waiting and leave the line. Unrecorded disenfrachisement.

Possibly a pre-ordained conclusion in search of a legitimatizing report...
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Plan your work, and work your plan.
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The whole purpose of early voting is to avoid last minute problems and time issues on Election Day. Too bad those people chose not to stay and vote. Maybe they shouldn't have waited all the way until Election Day to try to vote?
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I remember back in the day, maybe 3 years ago, early voting was for people who wouldn't be in town on voting day... Mellow
MACS Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I remember back in the day, maybe 3 years ago, early voting was for people who wouldn't be in town on voting day... Mellow


Now it's so the democrats can cheat. Mellow
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rfenst wrote:
The whole purpose of early voting is to avoid last minute problems and time issues on Election Day. Too bad those people chose not to stay and vote. Maybe they shouldn't have waited all the way until Election Day to try to vote?

hasn't Arizona (perhaps Utah too?) had a fairly long and successful run of massive early and mail voting? And until recently hasn't it been fairly reliable to elect GOP candidates?

Rhetorical.

I have to chuckle at the outrage of those who were inconvenienced by these long lines...an easy search can show who has routinely been subjected to interminable waiting in lines to vote (and where) enhanced recently by banning merciful donations of water to those intent on staying in line...a pattern of undeniably purposeful intent.

Reminds me of why corporations have machines to rout phone calls anywhere but to a human for endless waits...they want you to hang up.

Arizona's case seems different though.
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rfenst wrote:
The whole purpose of early voting is to avoid last minute problems and time issues on Election Day. Too bad those people chose not to stay and vote. Maybe they shouldn't have waited all the way until Election Day to try to vote?

Funny, it's called Election "Day"...
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I heard Keri Lake just bought a bunch of Dominion stock…..
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Funny, it's called Election "Day"...

Of course you are correct, but ya have to admit times have changed, as have the needs and schedules of the voters.
You have to know some people near you who have availed themselves of the ease it brings to their lives by voting other than the conventional Election Day, no?
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frankj1 wrote:
Of course you are correct, but ya have to admit times have changed, as have the needs and schedules of the voters.
You have to know some people near you who have availed themselves of the ease it brings to their lives by voting other than the conventional Election Day, no?


Why can we not have an "Election Day" holiday? Nobody works. Everything is shut down except a whole lot of polling places.

We've made holidays out of sillier things. This is vitally important to our REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. Not a democracy.

Why can't we do this? And actually make it an election day... no mail ins, with military exceptions and serious cases of disabilities.

NO OTHER EXCEPTIONS.

Tell me why this isn't right, Frankie.
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MACS wrote:
Why can we not have an "Election Day" holiday? Nobody works. Everything is shut down except a whole lot of polling places.

We've made holidays out of sillier things. This is vitally important to our REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. Not a democracy.

Why can't we do this? And actually make it an election day... no mail ins, with military exceptions and serious cases of disabilities.

NO OTHER EXCEPTIONS.

Tell me why this isn't right, Frankie.


I actually think this is a (somewhat) good idea but only about 60% bother to vote and the rest would just get another holiday to not GAF.
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And it’s only a few days away from Veterans Day.
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#132 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Funny, it's called Election "Day"...

Then that is the only date YOU can vote on.
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#133 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Why can we not have an "Election Day" holiday? Nobody works. Everything is shut down except a whole lot of polling places.

Yes. In addition to early voting.
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we can bank online but not vote?
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HockeyDad wrote:
we can bank online but not vote?

While on-line fraud is wide spread, the selling point of the right wing candidates LOOSING is voter fraud.

Why, just look at the thousands of people each year that are arrested for voter fraud right in your home town. d'oh!

Can you believe that Dominion Voting Machines has a 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit against Fox saying they cause "Trumps loss"???

btw - the right has a deal on some swamp land in New Jersey for you...
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HockeyDad wrote:
we can bank online but not vote?

I don’t think the people fraudulently assuming somebody else’s identity to vote online are interested in putting deposits into strangers accounts as well. Herfing
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JGKAMIN wrote:
I don’t think the people fraudulently assuming somebody else’s identity to vote online are interested in putting deposits into strangers accounts as well. Herfing

But the Right said they would make us "Great" again...
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We were doing fine. Now the world has pretty much allied against us to sink the dollar.

But yeah... the left has answers. Nobody knew the question was "How to ruin America in 2 years".
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MACS wrote:
We were doing fine. Now the world has pretty much allied against us to sink the dollar.

But yeah... the left has answers. Nobody knew the question was "How to ruin America in 2 years".

The worst thing for the world economy would be intentional devaluing of the dollar. Chines and Saudi's, among many, many others, would go broke. Both countries would suffer terribly from their investments here as well- like Treasury Notes, etc., etc. Do you know oil is basically sold worldwide in U.S. dollars. What stable currency could replace it? LOL.
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There you go again Robert, trying to mix facts with HARD CORE OPINION!!!

LOL
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Brewha wrote:
There you go again Robert, trying to mix facts with HARD CORE OPINION!!!LOL

Please accept my apology for dual majoring in finance and economics. LOL. It must have been the financial docs, charts, graphs and calculations that made me a liberal- without me ever having any idea it would do that to me...
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Except countries recently agreed to trade for oil in Chinese dollars.

Maybe you should go to some night classes in current affairs?
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Historically speaking, all fiat currencies eventually go to zero. I bet they don't teach that in finance and economics classes.
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The dollar in decline? Not so fast.


Paul Krugman (NYT)

The dollar is about to become “toilet paper,” says Robert Kyosaki, author of “Rich Dad, Poor Dad.” “Get rid of your U.S. dollars now,” says the investor and economic commentator Peter Schiff. They aren’t alone: I’m seeing a lot of stuff like this in my inbox lately.

Now, some of this is coming from “Weimarists,” people who are always predicting hyperinflation. Schiff, for example, insisted back in 2009 that the Obama administration’s policies would cause runaway inflation. (For the record, they didn’t.) Still, as it says on investment prospectuses, past performance is no guarantee of future results: People who have been consistently wrong in the past could be right in the future.

And today’s Weimarists have a new argument. Recently a number of countries, alarmed or maybe just annoyed by what they perceive as the weaponization of the dollar against Vladimir Putin, have been taking at least symbolic steps to reduce the dollar’s role in the world economy. For example, China has asked oil producers to accept payments in yuan instead of dollars.

This has even relatively sober commentators like Fareed Zakaria warning that the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency is at risk. And losing reserve-currency status, many people imagine, would be an economic catastrophe for America.

Put aside for the moment the question of whether dollar dominance is really at risk. (Short answer: no. But I’ll get to that.) Let’s ask instead whether losing reserve currency status would really be a disaster.
So let me start with what should be an obvious point: Most of the world’s currencies aren’t widely used outside their issuing nations. Yet many of these non-international currencies do just fine at home, continuing to serve the traditional roles of money: medium of exchange, store of value, unit of account.

For example, the Canadian dollar, the Australian dollar, the New Zealand dollar and the Swedish krona have never been reserve currencies. A few decades ago Japanese officials had ambitions of turning the yen into a global currency, but that never went anywhere. Yet Australians, Swedes and Japanese continue to do domestic business in their own currencies, with nary a hyperinflation in sight.

The British pound is an even more interesting example, because once upon a time it was an international currency, and one as dominant as the dollar later became. When Phileas Fogg set off to go “Around the World in Eighty Days,” he traveled with a carpet bag full of pound notes, because he knew that British currency would be accepted anywhere.

But the pound’s international role rapidly declined after World War II, essentially disappearing by 1970. Here’s a chart from Barry Eichengreen, Livia Chitu and Arnaud Mehl:...

Now, that’s what you call reserve currency collapse. Strange to say, however, Britain’s economy still runs on pounds. The pound sterling’s demise as an international currency didn’t even prevent London from, if anything, strengthening its role as a global financial hub.

The great economist and historian Charles Kindleberger once wrote an illuminating essay comparing the international role of currencies with the international role of languages. These days, English is the global language of commerce, science and much popular culture: Everyone doing global stuff speaks English, because everyone else speaks English, just as everyone uses dollars because everyone else uses dollars. One can, however, imagine that changing; maybe someday people doing global stuff will need to speak Mandarin instead. (That’s actually a bit easier than imagining the yuan replacing the dollar; I’ll get there.) But we’d still speak English at home, just as Swedes still speak Swedish, the French still speak French, and so on.

Actually, French has experienced something like the linguistic equivalent of sterling’s international decline. It was once the premier language of diplomacy and much international culture. That’s all gone now — which has, one must admit, damaged national pride. But France still speaks French.
Still, how would the transition work? Foreigners probably hold more than a trillion dollars in U.S. currency, mainly in the form of $100 bills. What would happen if all the foreign holders tried to cash in all of that money?

The answer is that the Federal Reserve would pay them off, withdrawing the currency from circulation, something it could easily afford to do by selling off some of its $5 trillion holdings of Treasury debt or $2.5 trillion in mortgage-backed securities. If you imagine that vast foreign holdings of dollars are the only thing sustaining our currency, let alone our economy, you just haven’t done the math.

In sum, there’s no reason to be terrified of the consequences if the dollar should lose its special international status. But that said, it’s really hard to see that happening in the first place.

It’s true that with the rise of China there are now two bona fide economic superpowers. (There would be three if the euro area were less fragmented.) So it may seem plausible that the yuan could pose a challenge to the dollar.
But the dollar has three big advantages. One is incumbency: Since everyone is already using dollars, it would take exceptional circumstances to get them to switch. A second is that U.S. financial markets are open: Unlike China, we don’t impose controls on people trying to move money into or out of the country. The third is the rule of law. Unless you’re a dictator planning to commit major war crimes, you needn’t fear that the U.S. government will impound your assets; in China, your assets may be at risk if you say something the strongman in charge doesn’t like.

Why, then, all the panicky commentary about the dollar? Well, I studied with Charles Kindleberger, and one of the things he told his students was that “anyone who spends too much time thinking about international money tends to go mad.” The global role of the dollar sounds important and seems mysterious; that makes it a natural subject for conspiracy theories and catastrophic thinking.

In reality, however, the dollar’s role looks pretty secure — with one major caveat. I have no idea what will happen if, as seems all too possible, we end up defaulting on debt payments because a Republican House refuses to raise the debt ceiling. But it’s not likely to be good. Who will trust the currency of a nation that appears to have politically lost its mind?

But if that happens, the threat to the dollar’s reserve-currency status will be the least of our problems.



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Hilarious source, hard to believe anyone reads this hack still.
Mr. Jones Online
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How in the hell?
Can you divest yourself of all your US dollars when you live in America?

Buy gold , silver and diamonds?

Bwuuuuhahahahaha !!!
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Hilarious source, hard to believe anyone reads this hack still.


“Weimarists” Krugman is a Keynesian douche.

All that blather and Scaremongering LEFTY Krugman waits to the end to get to the point and say the world may come to an end if those evil Republicans don't vote to raise the debt ceiling, then the gubment can't print money into eternity and spend more and more and more TRILLIONS ! That would be TERRIBLE to Krugman!
I don't believe the Republicans have the political will to do it anyway, as a whole they never have as they've never had the will to cut the government down to size.

As Voltaire said, 'Fiat currency always eventually returns to its intrinsic value--zero.'
Thousand of years of currency debasement by now dead empires proves that the ultimate end is economic collapse.


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