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anyone Freeze cigars to kill cig beetles?
teddyballgame Offline
#1 Posted:
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Hey all, I never heard of this, but a new golfing buddy of mine swears by it. Said he once had a cigar beetle infestation that ruined most of his cigars. The guy has a great cigar collection. He says anytime he gets new cigars, he freezes them before he will introduce them to his humidor to kill any beetles and eggs.
I thought he was pulling my leg, but he says 4 days- 1 day ref. 2 days freeze, 1 day ref. and THEN puts him in his humidor.

I looked it up online and found info on it. Just wondering if anyone has ever done this?

this site has info:

https://bettercigar.com/cigar-beetles-guide/#Freezing_Cigars_To_Prevent_Cigar_Beetles


Thoughts?
dkeage Offline
#2 Posted:
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Yup
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted:
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teddy!!!
The Splendid Splinter!
Missed ya bud.
I still appreciate some info you provided several years ago when I was going to San Diego.

there's been lots of talk here over the years about freezing cigars to kill the beetles and eggs.
Whistlebritches (Ron) has a system he follows religiously, maybe a search would help.

My limited experience was straight into the freezer for a couple days and then into the humidor...not refrigerator steps required, but other do know more than me about the best method.
One thing to know is that if the cigars spend time above 70 degrees the eggs can hatch.

Stick around.
teddyballgame Offline
#4 Posted:
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I tried a search first and came up finding talks about snow.. I'll try again


Good to see ya frank. Been busy A.F. with life and golf and changes in life and all that.

Thanks for the help. (That golfing buddy is also a sarcastic funny guy, so didn't know if he was F-ing with me.)
Sunoverbeach Offline
#5 Posted:
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Like so?

Whistlebritches wrote:
First thing I recommend is never smoke a cigar right off the truck(ROTT).Place all cigars bag and all in a freezer that will freeze below 0 f for 72 hours.If your other sticks have not taken the deep freeze nap I suggest you freeze all of them.Once you've bug proofed your sticks place them in your humidor and let them acclimate for a few weeks........I usually wait months to even years before smoking a new cigar.

If you'll follow these directions you will have a completely different experience I assure you.You can thank me later.


Ron

rfenst Offline
#6 Posted:
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Nothing, absolutely nothing, no matter who or where it comes from, even if it has even been frozen before, goes into my humidor- without a five-day hard freeze.
HockeyDad Offline
#7 Posted:
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I boil mine. Kills germs too.
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I boil mine. Kills germs too.

Ever seen pics of gars and boxes ravaged by beetle holes?
MACS Offline
#9 Posted:
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No. I have never had a beetle outbreak and I never froze cigars.

Also... I think those that do are paranoid.
BuckyB93 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Use to work at a place where we had easy access to liquid nitrogen (qty 2 big two story tanks outside with taps inside so we could fill dewars for "research" purposes). The tanks got filled once a week since we used gallons and gallons of LN2 everyday. We did lot's of fun stuff with it. One PhD was able to gargle with for a few seconds before spitting it out and getting freezer burn (Leidenfrost effect). But I digress.

Froze a cigar and used it to pound a nail into a 2x4... pretty sure any beetles or eggs didn't survive... does that count?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#11 Posted:
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But how'd it smoke afterwards?
tonygraz Offline
#12 Posted:
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I used to freeze cigars, but heard that it is unnecessary unless you store them at 70 degrees or higher. I like mine at 65.
HockeyDad Offline
#13 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Ever seen pics of gars and boxes ravaged by beetle holes?


My shop protects me. They don’t sell me the ones with beetles.
BuckyB93 Offline
#14 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
But how'd it smoke afterwards?


Didn't smoke it. Just tossed it in the trash... in the name of science.
Palama Offline
#15 Posted:
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I listened to The Beatles this afternoon.
deadeyedick Offline
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MACS wrote:
No. I have never had a beetle outbreak and I never froze cigars.

Also... I think those that do are paranoid.


May it never happen to you but iffn it ever does you will change your tune real quick bucko.
LeeBot Offline
#17 Posted:
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Yeah, I never did it, but Ron convinced me it was a good idea. I've never had a beetle outbreak, don't want one. I freeze new stuff coming in and went back and froze the old ones too.

My system is to double bag in ziplocs, a day in the fridge to lower the temperature some, three days in the deep freezer, a day back in the fridge to gradually bring the temp back up. Wifey thinks it's funny.

Oh, here's a tip I read online. After filling the bags, I stick a straw in the corner and close the bag around it, squeeze the air out, then suck the rest out to provide a bit of a vacuum seal. Helps cut down on freezer burn.
deadeyedick Offline
#18 Posted:
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About 15 years ago I had a box of SCdH Mercedares (CC) that hatched and infected many other cigars in that humidor.

Luckily I had a separate humidor for all Cubans. IIRC there were 18 full or partial boxes and 20-30 singles that went immediately into the freezer. (wife was not happy) The humidor was moved outside into 105 degree days in full sun, vacuumed and then wiped down before being reseasoned. All cigars had to be inspected and any that had holes were separated. I actually was able to smoke many of those and only lost something like 20 cigars in total.

Since then I have frozen everything as soon as it is received. Even though I keep my cigars at temps around 76-78 degrees I have never had another issue.
stinger88 Offline
#19 Posted:
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I only do it occasionally. Usually if I buy from an online place I will do 2-3 in freezer and 2-3 in fridge. If it is from a seasoned, respectable person on here, I won’t usually do it.
frankj1 Offline
#20 Posted:
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stinger88 wrote:
I only do it occasionally. Usually if I buy from an online place I will do 2-3 in freezer and 2-3 in fridge. If it is from a seasoned, respectable person on here, I won’t usually do it.

don't know about seasoned, but most people here are well marinated...


urp.
Palama Offline
#21 Posted:
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I’ve never had a beetle problem (…knock on wood…) but since I don’t have any regulated temperature & humidity controlled storage, I tend to freeze more often than not. I leave the cigars in the freezer for at least 4 days, sometimes 5 with 2-3 days in the refridge before and after.

Why so long in the freezer? Think

I read something online that household freezers aren’t normally cold enough to kill the eggs in 72 hours and recommended at least 96. I tried looking for the article again but to no avail. I also take into consideration if the cigars are in bags or boxes. Boxes stay in for at least 5 days. At any rate, that’s what I do to prevent beetle infestation.
delta1 Offline
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paging Dr. Britches...call the front desk
Whistlebritches Offline
#23 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
paging Dr. Britches...call the front desk



You rang???

I have a commercial freezer that runs -12 to -14 degrees so 72 hours has worked for me.If your freezer won't keep the sticks below 0 I'd go with a minimum 96 hours and probably 120.

I've had two outbreaks,both 10-12 years ago...........one small,only lost a handful of sticks.Second outbreak I lost a couple full boxes and this is when I punted...........froze all my stock and from that day forward everything that comes in regardless of source.This became even more important after the 2015 remodel............I took a large closet ,lined it with Spanish cedar,installed an exterior door(double pane glass) and placed the contents of 5 or 6 coolers in that one big humi.Now an outbreak could destroy all my stash so I take zero chances.
rfenst Offline
#24 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
About 15 years ago I had a box of SCdH Mercedares (CC) that hatched and infected many other cigars in that humidor.

Luckily I had a separate humidor for all Cubans. IIRC there were 18 full or partial boxes and 20-30 singles that went immediately into the freezer. (wife was not happy) The humidor was moved outside into 105 degree days in full sun, vacuumed and then wiped down before being reseasoned. All cigars had to be inspected and any that had holes were separated. I actually was able to smoke many of those and only lost something like 20 cigars in total.

Since then I have frozen everything as soon as it is received. Even though I keep my cigars at temps around 76-78 degrees I have never had another issue.

Too add to my comment, with no offense intended, I have frozen or refrozen every single cigar I have ever even received from you- who I trust implicitly. That's just my policy with what I have invested in cigars, There is a scientific paper on the internet (from ThunderGerbill that fully explains the necessity of freezing and doing so in the right way. I will post the link if I find it...
RayR Offline
#25 Posted:
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I think you are all paranoid schizophrenics with acarophobia.
Whistlebritches Offline
#26 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Too add to my comment, with no offense intended, I have frozen or refrozen every single cigar I have ever even received from you- who I trust implicitly. That's just my policy with what I have invested in cigars, There is a scientific paper on the internet (from ThunderGerbill that fully explains the necessity of freezing and doing so in the right way. I will post the link if I find it...



None taken,same here..........ya just never know.
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Too add to my comment, with no offense intended, I have frozen or refrozen every single cigar I have ever even received from you- who I trust implicitly. That's just my policy with what I have invested in cigars, There is a scientific paper on the internet (from ThunderGerbill that fully explains the necessity of freezing and doing so in the right way. I will post the link if I find it...

ThunderGerbil?
I heard he's low on latkes...
8trackdisco Offline
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Killing Beatles is not cool.
-John Lennon.
Stogie1020 Offline
#29 Posted:
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How long will it take for beetles to emerge if not frozen and stored over 70 degrees?
Whistlebritches Offline
#30 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
How long will it take for beetles to emerge if not frozen and stored over 70 degrees?



It'll be a surprise I assure you
Stogie1020 Offline
#31 Posted:
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^ha!

But legitimate question. If I keep new stuff in a quarantine tupperadore, how long would I need to wait before I would see the beetle holes? It's there a set lifespan or something? Our freezer is jam packed, not sure I am getting any real estate in there, but I usually hold new stuff at the office for a few weeks before it comes home and into gen-pop.
Stogie1020 Offline
#32 Posted:
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Ok, found this..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lasioderma_serricorne
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