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Propylene glycol and distilled water. Am I wrong here?
nogamesguy Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-18-2021
Posts: 49
I have been using Propylene glycol and distilled water + the green foamy stuff from florist shops for nearly 20 years now without issue.

Today I decided to ask my local cigar hut (that's the name of the place _ Cigar Hut) what the latest technology was because I'm in need of re-charge. He pulls out this 1/2 brick looking thing that looked like gel and he told me to just distilled water and that it should keep about 250 cigars at 72%.

At first I thought "great" , but then I asked him how long that thing would last and he tells me a minimum of 30 days. I ask him how much $$$ does it cost and he tells me it's $29 for that thing. I specifically asked him if I could add more distilled water to it over the course of several months and he basically told me that I could but that it wouldn't really work all that great.

Are you freakin' kidding me????? $29 a month just to keep my gars at an over humidified 72%? No thanks. I'll stick to my PG and distilled water and florist sponges trick for about $15 a year......

I feel like Donny in The Big Lebowski. Am I wrong here? This is not Nam Smokey.....
LeeBot Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2020
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I do the same thing.

People swear by bovedas, or bovedas and beads as a system. Seems like a good option for some people. The temperature swings too much in my house between summer and winter. I'd have to have two sets of bovedas, on for each season, seems harder than it's worth. Maybe I'll do it one day.

I don't find it to be all that bothersome to squirt some PG juice on the foam every once in a while when I have the box open. I think the PG builds up on the foam, so sometimes I just go straight distilled water.
Tiver Offline
#3 Posted:
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You familiar with Boveda? Go to their website and read up a little. They have formulated what are essentially salt/water gel packs that will maintain a 2 way humidity condition that has a predetermined RH and will last months depending on demand.

Then there are the gel beads and crystals that absorb water and slowly release it as the surroundings RH goes lower.....much like your florist sponge with perhaps a little less maintenance and mess.

I am in the bead/crystal camp at this point. The Boveda are a little pricey (relative perspective), but have gained a lot of fans and are certainly the least fussy as far as maintenance.

Sounds like your smoke shpo owner might have been selling 320g Boveda?
nogamesguy Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 01-18-2021
Posts: 49
Tiver wrote:
You familiar with Boveda? Go to their website and read up a little. They have formulated what are essentially salt/water gel packs that will maintain a 2 way humidity condition that has a predetermined RH and will last months depending on demand.

Then there are the gel beads and crystals that absorb water and slowly release it as the surroundings RH goes lower.....much like your florist sponge with perhaps a little less maintenance and mess.

I am in the bead/crystal camp at this point. The Boveda are a little pricey (relative perspective), but have gained a lot of fans and are certainly the least fussy as far as maintenance.

Sounds like your smoke shpo owner might have been selling 320g Boveda?

No it definitely was not Boveda which surprised me because that's what I was expecting.
He showed me this rectangle thing, about the size of a brick but 1/2 the thickness of a brick and the markings on it were AKAR
KingoftheCove Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
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If temp swings are an issue, use coolers. (There is a reason so many of us use them)
Tupperware is great if your temps are relatively stable.

Bovedas and beads in a cooler, pretty much bulletproof and EASY to maintain.
BuckyB93 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-16-2004
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For me, I use beads and (I'm gonna get flamed for this) cat litter "trained" to about 65% RH. Once trained, just a spritz of distilled water now and again but otherwise pretty much maintenance free.

http://www.cigarbid.com/...8/Are-all-beads-the-same

http://www.cigarbid.com/...-Crystals-Whos-Up-For-It
Stogie1020 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 12-19-2019
Posts: 5,327
nogamesguy wrote:
No it definitely was not Boveda which surprised me because that's what I was expecting.
He showed me this rectangle thing, about the size of a brick but 1/2 the thickness of a brick and the markings on it were AKAR

It's Zikar. This is likely what he showed you:

https://www.amazon.com/Xikar-Humidification-Kit-Humidifier-Solution/dp/B00XHLWSPE/ref=asc_df_B00XHLWSPE/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198068632238&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6790448494782301026&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030073&hvtargid=pla-351353131137&psc=1


I write the month and date on my bovedas because I am like that. I have some that are fresh and worknig and have 2020 markings... Buy some, stick them in the tupperadore, enjoy life.

In a year or two, when you start to wonder why life is so easy, buy a few more and replace your old ones. Maybe.
nogamesguy Offline
#8 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
For me, I use beads and (I'm gonna get flamed for this) cat litter "trained" to about 65% RH. Once trained, just a spritz of distilled water now and again but otherwise pretty much maintenance free.

http://www.cigarbid.com/...8/Are-all-beads-the-same

http://www.cigarbid.com/...-Crystals-Whos-Up-For-It

Not from me......

65% is the goal for me. Anything more = too wet for my taste. I can tolerate 66 or 67 but I know 70% is too much for me.
nogamesguy Offline
#9 Posted:
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Stogie1020 wrote:
It's Zikar. This is likely what he showed you:

https://www.amazon.com/Xikar-Humidification-Kit-Humidifier-Solution/dp/B00XHLWSPE/ref=asc_df_B00XHLWSPE/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198068632238&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6790448494782301026&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030073&hvtargid=pla-351353131137&psc=1


I write the month and date on my bovedas because I am like that. I have some that are fresh and worknig and have 2020 markings... Buy some, stick them in the tupperadore, enjoy life.

In a year or two, when you start to wonder why life is so easy, buy a few more and replace your old ones. Maybe.

You're right. That's what he showed me. So you just keep charging them exactly I'm doing with my florist sponges? You just add a little distilled water from time to time and that's it????

So where did the guy get "30 days" from and why did he seem hesitant at the thought of me recharging them and making them last as long long as you apparently are doing? If I can make one last for 2 years.... duh..... I'll buy it. But for just 30 days? No freakin' way.
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Green floral foam is a mold trap waiting to happen.

Kitty litter is a better option than the Glycol, cuz unless you got the dumb and get scented kitty litter it won’t add any taste to cigars. And I’m firmly in the camp that glycol gel does. I ain’t gonna fight anyone over it, it’s my opinion.

I use a combo of floral beads and HF beads. The floral beads are only for mass humidity and the HF beads regulate, very low maintenance but I do go through a fair bit of water (distilled) when I charge the HF and especially the floral beads. I’m humidifying a large space though.

Kingofthecove is right as usual, use coolers if you’re temperature prone and use a good one that utilizes refrigerator grade plastic (Igloo is the cheapest good quality if I remember correctly).

One last thing, do NOT take anything a guy at your shpo tells you as gospel even if you like him/her.
BuckyB93 Offline
#11 Posted:
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Posts: 14,188
nogamesguy wrote:
You're right. That's what he showed me. So you just keep charging them exactly I'm doing with my florist sponges? You just add a little distilled water from time to time and that's it????

Yep, pretty much

nogamesguy wrote:
So where did the guy get "30 days" from and why did he seem hesitant at the thought of me recharging them and making them last as long long as you apparently are doing? If I can make one last for 2 years.... duh..... I'll buy it. But for just 30 days? No freakin' way.


Don't know why or how the guy came up with the 30 days and then have to buy another or hesitant at the thought recharging them. Sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about. They should last for years (as Stogie pointed out).

Just add DI water as needed. But only as needed, you don't want to make a pool of standing water or over saturate it.

I use beads and kitty litter now rather than the PG/water with the floral foam. I started out using the PG/water mix which should give you about 70% RH. I, personally, like my cigars at the lower end around 65%.

If you like 70% RH and use the PG/water mix with the foam, don't recharge the foam with constant dose of 50/50 PG and water. Only recharge with water. The water is what evaporates the PG (essentially) doesn't. If you keep recharging with the 50/50 mix, then what used to be 50/50 will start to drift to higher concentration of PG and throw things out of whack.
KingoftheCove Offline
#12 Posted:
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I really do not understand why anyone fuqs with PG, foam, and similar.
That’s old technology, just one step up from lettuce and apple slices…

The beads and Bovedas combo is so simple, even a dummy like me can manage it.
Whatever works I suppose….
drglnc Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 04-01-2019
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PG and Florist Foam is a big no for me... Boveda packs in Coolers and never look back.
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted:
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Posts: 60,599
^ make humidors great again!

(Couldn’t help it)
JGKAMIN Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 05-08-2011
Posts: 1,403
Synthetic un-scented kitty litter.
nogamesguy Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 01-18-2021
Posts: 49
ZRX1200 wrote:
Green floral foam is a mold trap waiting to happen.

Kitty litter is a better option than the Glycol, cuz unless you got the dumb and get scented kitty litter it won’t add any taste to cigars. And I’m firmly in the camp that glycol gel does. I ain’t gonna fight anyone over it, it’s my opinion.

I use a combo of floral beads and HF beads. The floral beads are only for mass humidity and the HF beads regulate, very low maintenance but I do go through a fair bit of water (distilled) when I charge the HF and especially the floral beads. I’m humidifying a large space though.

Kingofthecove is right as usual, use coolers if you’re temperature prone and use a good one that utilizes refrigerator grade plastic (Igloo is the cheapest good quality if I remember correctly).

One last thing, do NOT take anything a guy at your shpo tells you as gospel even if you like him/her.

I just ordered 32 oz of PG.

I live in NC. Pretty mild, no real temp swings to speak of. Been doing it 20 years with no issues. For less than $20 I'll be good for another 2 years now probably. I've found I only need to re-charge about once every 6 months. After 2 years it's time to get some more foam. RH stays pretty darn constant for me. I've got 3 RH probes and they all stay within 2% of each other. I go by the one I have calibrated with the salt / zip lock bag test and just keep an eye on the other 2. Maybe I'm just lucky or have a great humidor.

Anyway, It's over with now. Ordered and on the way. I didn't mean to start a war. Lol. But no way am I paying extra $$ for the same RH... the RH doesn't know how much $$ I spent. It works for me.
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted:
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If it works for you great buddy. I applaud your happiness and will root for it. But I did say it was my opinion and as always it is worth what it cost you!
tonygraz Offline
#18 Posted:
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I heard Drafter changed to Pretty Litter.
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