I think the cigars are related, but just looking at the cigar band I can see it is completely different than the other. I have heard wind of this coming, apparently the Hoya are being dumped on the market. We talked about the Joya's before, I really like them, very spicey and full bodied, I have enjoyed both the Robusto size which packs a nice punch and the Vijante size, a huge stick, and with a more milder but very pleasant taste. I doubt I will be bidding on these blowouts, but I wouldn't mind trying one to compare to the other.