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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jan 9 2002, 6:04 PM EST
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I don't think Kurt Warner deserved the MVP. I understand that he has immense talent, but I feel that he is much more the result of a great system than he is the most VALUABLE player. His team mate Marshall Faulk deserves it. The prood lies in the fact that when Kurt was hurt last season, Trent Green filled in and put up "Kurt Warner" like numbers. Yet Green is a mediocre QB at best. The SYSTEM is what gives Kurt his outstanding numbers. Heck, look at the INT category. Faulk would be the best player on ANY team. Kurt is only the best because of where he is.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jan 9 2002, 11:23 PM EST
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i like warner, not only because of his ba**s to keep himself going in spite of the fact that no one thought he could make it. but, i must admit, without the system and without faulk he would be hard pressed to do what he does. the rams are so high powered because of the coaching staff. they don't care about interceptions, hell the offense is only on the field for a half a dozwn plays and kick the pat. no bs from the coaching staff "this is a building year for the defense." they just fixed it... what just happened, did we agree?
Charlie Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 4:58 AM EST
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Whoa Hoss, Trent Green is not a "mediocre" QB. He will lead the Chiefs back into contention next season after his first full season at the helm, with one of youngest teams in league! Warner deserves the MVP! Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 6:39 AM EST
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trent green will no longer be starting qb anywhee in the nfl after the completion of next years season.
Charlie Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 6:56 AM EST
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Rick stick to politics! Trent Green is a good quarterback! Charlie
plabonte Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 7:28 AM EST
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IMHO Ahman Green of Green Bay should have got MVP. If not for him the Packers wouldn't have even been in the playoffs.
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#7 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 8:46 AM EST
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I think both Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk are deserving of the MVP but both reep the benefits of the offensive system. When Faulk went down with an injury earlier in the year, the Rams didn't play nearly as well but the replacement still got his yards. When Warner went down, they played terrible! I really think that Jim Miller of the Bears is the most deserving! LOL
tailgater Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 9:33 AM EST
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is he the sober son of Jim Drunkenmiller?
Charlie Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 10:15 AM EST
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I believe he only got a vote or two, but in all honesty Tom Brady of Boston or New England or North Bedford or whatever the Patriots call themselves should have been MVP. Look what they did with him at QB! Now I am not saying he is as good as Warner or Farve, but he damn sure was the Most Valuable Player on Patriots team! Charlie
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#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 12:25 PM EST
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Who is Farve???? Oh wait to you me FAVRE of the Packers?
plabonte Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 12:26 PM EST
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ok I guess if I'm going to crab at you for spelling I should work on my grammer. I meant "Do you mean FAVRE." My face is red.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 4:01 PM EST
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plabonte: measure twice, cut once.
cahr: first you don't like my politics. now you don't like my sports info. i stand by both of my opinions and they aren't humble.
trent green
Att Comp Yds Comp% Yds/Att TD TD % int int %
523 296 3783 56.6 7.2 17 3.3 24 4.6
Long Sack/Lost Rating
67 39/198 71.1
barely a passing grade
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 4:02 PM EST
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char: i typed it correctly but, you get what i mean
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 7:33 PM EST
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"Passing" grade, Rick? Are you getting punny on us?
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 7:39 PM EST
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On the Tom Brady subject: It is true that Tom was the catalyst for the Patriots to realize their potential and then some. But his numbers after his first 4 starts have been anything but allstar. Other than his completion percentage, his stats are slightly better than "good". The reason he has remained the QB is not his ability, but his results. I like the kid, and he's fun to watch, but it's tough to compare him to someone like Warner. When Warner came from nowhere, he did it with record breaking numbers. Brady can't seem to throw the long ball. Defenses are learning to beat him. His decisions have been near perfect, but the execution is average. Don't be totally surprised to see Drew throw again before the playoffs end.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 10 2002, 9:14 PM EST
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tailgator: i have never used and will never again use this abbreviation, but LOL
stogie-man Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2002, 2:45 AM EST
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Gannon. And not cause he's a Delaware alumnis, but it helps. :-)
woodbutchr Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2002, 2:39 PM EST
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I'm from St. Louis and I agree with the original post. As good as Warner is, Faulk deserved MVP, he rarely makes mistakes. But as great a QB as Warner is, he seems to be getting more and more prone to throwing to the wrong colored jerseys. GO Rams!!! Steve
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2002, 6:24 PM EST
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Gannon? Does losing your last three games propel you to MVP status?
Charlie Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2002, 7:56 PM EST
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Rick, don't get so sensitive, I agree that St Louis is going to win the Super Bowl! That is pretty much a given! But Trent Green is going to lead KC back to the playoffs next year.....you can remember I said that! He had a horrible start in the first 5 games of season, but turned out pretty good in the end and that will carry into 2002! Vermeil will do the same job in KC he did in St Louis ( I HOPE )!!!!!!@ Charlie
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2002, 8:19 PM EST
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charlie: if i were sensitive, would i post the stuff i do?
Charlie Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jan 16 2002, 2:27 PM EST
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Rick, great comeback! Charlie
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