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Bush Tax Cuts...Bad?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1 Posted:
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Then why is the Kenyan King pushing for an extension?


Thought Bush didn't know what he was doing?

On top of 2 wars, the Patriot Act, abusing govt. agencies upon it's citizenry and now the tax cuts, I'd have to say that Odumba is actually Bush's 3rd term!


This pact may spell 1 & done for prez - Charles Hurt - Inside Washington


WASHINGTON -- President Obama made the first decision of his 2012 re-election bid yesterday, but may have done himself irreparable political harm.
His decision to swallow the Bush tax cuts for people earning more than $250,000 a year was a giant leap toward the middle.
After the years of bashing former President Bush's economic policies -- and specifically the tax cuts for the upper income brackets -- yesterday's decision could not have been easy for Obama.

Admirably, he said as much in his comments to the press last night.

Obama's clear displeasure with the compromise was a rare display of honesty in a town bereft of honesty. Normally, no matter how badly somebody loses around here, they always declare victory before the cameras.

His decision also was a wise acknowledgement that he and fellow Democrats had to cede political ground after last month's "shellacking" in the polls.
The message from the election was that Americans oppose his economic policies and he had to do more than promise to meet with and listen to Republicans. He actually had to adopt part of their vision, and that is what happened last night.

For Republicans at the table, last night's agreement was a no-brainer. Sure, they had to give in on a couple of odious provisions that run counter to conservative principles, but the final sausage looks a whole lot more Republican than Democratic. Perversely, the bad parts of the bill -- in Republicans' view -- might help them down the road. The reduction in payroll taxes will give everyone a little spare change in their pockets and remind them why they love tax cuts so much. Anti-tax fervor always helps Republicans.

And extending unemployment benefits will do little to help -- and could possibly hurt -- efforts to bring down stubbornly high unemployment rates.
If unemployment is still grazing 10 percent in two years, you can guarantee Obama and Democrats will get another shellacking in the polls.
Perhaps most importantly, last night's deal is at least a tacit admission by Democrats that the centerpiece of Bush's economic policies that were embraced by Republicans in Congress were not nearly as destructive as they have always claimed.

At first glance, last night's compromise decision puts Obama on firmer ground for his re-election bid two years from now because it moves him toward the middle. But in truth, he may have sealed his fate as a one-term president. In recent days as the White House and Democrats signaled that the compromise to extend the Bush tax cuts was in the offing, the liberal coalition that carried Obama into the White House began falling apart.
The left is apoplectic that their savior would turn around on them and adopt Bush's most "draconian" tax policies that "only favor the rich."
If they were frustrated before, now they are palpably angry and publicly voicing their disillusionment with Obama.
Without those voters rocking with enthusiasm, Obama could not have won in 2008.

Now, ask yourself this question: How many people do you know who voted for Obama in 2008 but now express regret about the vote or reservations about his leadership?

Probably plenty.

Now ask yourself this: How many people do you know who voted against Obama in 2008 but have since been won over?
Probably not a single one.

All that math adds up to a very lonely number: One, as in One Term.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/this_pact_may_spell_done_for_prez_OJtkMHEviG13EkH2vTf2PL#ixzz17WeWsyNL



The Truth is going to make Mondale's loss look triumphant!

dsmokers Offline
#2 Posted:
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so if Obama is really Bush's 3rd term as you say above shouldn't you like him now? Rationalize your anger however you can, eh?

I'm outraged! (i just don't know why but faux sez i should be so i am)

Yuk yuk yuk.
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted:
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That only connects logically if someone liked GWB.

I think it was well established a few years ago that Bush sucked butt.
wheelrite Offline
#4 Posted:
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I'm shickled Titless...

My taxes won't go up ,,,,for a while...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted:
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Its not a done deal.

The shakedown continues...
HockeyDad Offline
#6 Posted:
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It is generally clear that the rats are abandoning the sinking ship. They've done the math and realized they'll be in office longer than just two more years.
DrafterX Offline
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poor little rats... Sad
snowwolf777 Offline
#8 Posted:
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There is zero downside to allowing people to keep more of what they earn. Tax cuts don't cost anything. Nada. Nothing.

BUT ... spending has to be decreased. That's where we fail.

Spare me the mock outrage posts on how spending cuts "cost" the little poor people some of their free sh*t, please and thanks. Start wacking away at some federal agency payrolls - and dare I say it? - eliminate a few agencies all together.

Shhh

DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted:
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snowwolf777 wrote:
Start wacking away at some federal agency payrolls - and dare I say it? - eliminate a few agencies all together.

Shhh




Homeland Security

Enviromental Protection Agency

and after the last disasters...FEMA!
HockeyDad Offline
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The US military will need to be downsized. It is a sacred cow that must be slaughtered.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
The US military will need to be downsized. It is a sacred cow that must be slaughtered.



That's a given!Applause
snowwolf777 Offline
#12 Posted:
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I would start with the Department of Education and IRS. But that's just me.

Eliminate either the DOT or NTSB, which contain a bunch of redundancy.

smokinson13 Offline
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snowwolf777 wrote:
I would start with the Department of Education and IRS. But that's just me.

Eliminate either the DOT or NTSB, which contain a bunch of redundancy.




I wouldnt get rid of Del-dot. They plow the roads in the winter!
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted:
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg


To balance the budget, around 30% of this has to be eliminated. Good fricking luck and pray interest rates stay low.


snowwolf777 Offline
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smokinson13 wrote:
I wouldnt get rid of Del-dot. They plow the roads in the winter!


I'm talkin' federal, not state.

I hear what you're saying, too, HD. But anything in a downward direction is an improvement. Pretty tough to do, as you say, when the jobs are at their highest level ever, and most pay 2 to 3 times what the equivalent job pays in a non-gum-a-mint capacity.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
so if Obama is really Bush's 3rd term as you say above shouldn't you like him now? Rationalize your anger however you can, eh?

I'm outraged! (i just don't know why but faux sez i should be so i am)

Yuk yuk yuk.



Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh...



Profanity, Anger Spill Over in House Democratic Caucus Meeting

By Anna Palmer
Roll Call Staff

The frustration with President Barack Obama over his tax cut compromise was palpable and even profane at Thursday’s House Democratic Caucus meeting.

One unidentified lawmaker went so far as to mutter “f--- the president” while Rep. Shelley Berkley was defending the package the president negotiated with Republicans. Berkley confirmed the incident, although she declined to name the specific lawmaker.

“It wasn’t loud,” the Nevada Democrat said. “It was just expressing frustration from a very frustrated Member.”

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.) was also overheard saying that “we can’t trust him” not to cave to Republicans and extend the tax cuts again in two years, according to a Democratic source.

The anger aimed at the bill was widespread. As Democrats moved to block the bill from coming up on the floor, chants of “Just say no!” could be heard by reporters outside the room.

Berkley is one of the few Democrats publicly supporting the package. While she said it wasn’t necessarily how she would have written it, the bill should go forward in her estimation because it is “chock full” of tax cuts that will help the working class in her state.

“I’m not willing to play Russian roulette to see who blinks first,” Berkley said.


daveincincy Offline
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Sometimes making the right decision means going against the grain and maybe losing a few "friends." Now, I don't know exactly why Obama decided to extend the tax cuts. Because he actually does feel it's the right thing, political pressure? Whatever. But I think it's the right thing, and Obama just scored brownie points with me....granted, he still has a long way to go before he's out of the hole with me, and it doesn't mean I would ever vote for him, but it's a step in the right direction. Baby steps... just watching someone else pull the strings on the Obama puppet, whether it's actually himself or some republicans, makes me feel warm and tingly just knowing how PO'd it makes Pelosi and her drones since they are so used to pulling the strings on the puppet.
SteveS Offline
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daveincincy wrote:
... just watching someone else pull the strings on the Obama puppet ...makes me feel warm and tingly just knowing how PO'd it makes Pelosi and her drones since they are so used to pulling the strings ...

totally agreed, Dave ... anything that upsets that b*tch is a good thing
DrMaddVibe Offline
#19 Posted:
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Watching him squirm like the socialist worm he is while "Rome burns"...his CRAPULOUS BILL...FAILED!

Unemployment is higher than what he said it would be if he got what he wanted.

You can't control and reign a free market. There will be ups and downs...especially if it's manufactured into the system or people are gaming the system.

People slept at the wheel and continued spending money that's NOT theirs!

The taxcuts are only one step to getting the economy chugging again. Cutting spending HAS to be there. So far this Empty Suit has spent more than most of ALL administrations giving away the nation. Now, his own party...the Democrats...the party of the little people (supposedly!)...want to continue their all-time favorite pasttime...TAX and SPEND! Their "leader", Odumba now is faced with the Republican leadership of the House and can no longer push them off to the side and ram things down the American's collective throats and claim "We won.". Odumba was handed his first loss. The House of Representatives. He will lose the Senate next and his re-election bid will fail as well. America sees that he is an Empty Suit. His own party is now telling him to **** off in open session. Mind you, Joe Wilson said he was a liar and got railroaded...he was right and accurate but the continuing hypocrisy of the Democrat Party is right there in front of your own eyes for all to see. You want to bury your head in the sand and not listen to the message? That's on you! There were PLENTY of people that warned what this inexperienced not ready for prime time Soros puppet was all about.

You signed on for Hope and Change.

You're NOT getting it!!!!!
dsmokers Offline
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I'm angry at something I just don't know what! I just wish I had as much knowledge and insight about politics and the economy as some of these hidden gems of knowledge holders that frequent this board.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
I'm angry at something I just don't know what! I just wish I had as much knowledge and insight about politics and the economy as some of these hidden gems of knowledge holders that frequent this board.


At least you're admitting you have a problem. I suppose that could be seen as a first step towards recovery. In your case though, it's just an excuse to go on a weekend bender with a tub of acid.
dsmokers Offline
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A weekend bender on a tub of acid vs what? You getting drunk, yelling at the family, hating your life, being angry at the entire world and thinking that you're better than some stoner. At least you have that, eh?
fishinguitarman Offline
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40-40/3 games all
DrMaddVibe Offline
#24 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
You getting drunk, yelling at the family, hating your life, being angry at the entire world and thinking that you're better than some stoner. At least you have that, eh?



You wish!

That way you'd be accurate. You'd have something to hang your hat on, but once again you're just wrong. Out there just guessing and couldn't be further than reality.

You're batting 1000%...1000% wrong...but 1000%.

You go Jimmy!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Dems show signs of abandoning Obama elsewhere after frustration with tax deal
By Susan Crabtree - 12/09/10 11:31 PM ET

Incensed over President Obama’s tax compromise, House Democratic leaders are showing signs of abandoning the administration and going their own way on critical issues such as national security.

In a striking move, the Appropriations Committee late Wednesday attached a provision to a $1.1 trillion resolution to keep the government funded next year that would prevent Obama from spending any funds to try terrorism suspects in civilian court instead of military commissions.

The language would essentially prevent the closing of the detainee prison at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba.

Some House Democrats viewed the move as an act of defiance and a direct demonstration of just how furious the caucus is with Obama’s decision to work with Republicans to extend the Bush-era tax cuts.

But many other Democrats, including Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.), a member of the defense appropriations subcommittee, said they didn’t even know the provision was included.

Moran’s anger with the president boiled over in a short interview Thursday with The Hill about the provision and the tax debate held shortly after the Democratic Caucus voted to reject Obama’s tax-cut deal.

“This is a lack of leadership on the part of Obama,” fumed Moran (D-Va.) “I don’t know where the f*** Obama is on this or anything else. They’re AWOL.”

Most Democrats didn’t know the provision was included in the continuing resolution until the rule for the bill hit the floor, when liberal members began defecting in large numbers. Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), a leading voice on national security issues, and the four top Democrats on the Judiciary Committee found out during the vote on the rule, Moran said.

At one point, the rule governing the bill was hanging by just one vote while Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) rushed around the floor doing damage control.

Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, with the help of congressional Democrats, had previously beaten back any attempt to prevent detainees from being tried in civilian courts, arguing that they needed flexibility in deciding where to try the terrorist suspects.

Republicans, who have long opposed closing Guantánamo Bay, were stunned by what appeared to be a 180-degree turn by House Democratic leaders on the issue.

Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), the incoming chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said Democrats realized that they were losing on the issue of closing Guantánamo Bay as poll after poll showed the idea was unpopular with the majority of Americans.

“[House Democratic leaders] wanted to get out in front and take credit for it,” King said in an interview. “This really was a sneak attack. By the time I got on the floor last night people were realizing it was in there and there was a lot of panic going on.”

Pelosi’s office did not return a request for comment.

Assistant to the Speaker Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said he didn’t agree with the provision but thinks the majority of the Democratic Caucus opposes the administration’s efforts to shutter the detainee facility.

“That particular provision is not a good idea because it ties the president’s hands,” said Van Hollen. “But I think the majority of the caucus supports it.”

In fact, in May the House Armed Services Committee unanimously approved a defense authorization bill that banned spending money to build or modify any facility inside the United States to house Guantánamo detainees.

Holder on Thursday called on the Senate majority and minority leaders to strip away the provision in the continuing resolution passed last night.

He called the move an unprecedented grab of executive authority by Congress.

”We have been unable to identify any parallel … in the history of our nation in which Congress has intervened to prohibit the prosecution of particular persons or crimes,” he wrote.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who chairs the intelligence committee, has supported Obama’s efforts to shut down the prison facility in Cuba in the past, but hesitated when asked what she thought of the House move to add it to the continuing resolution.

“I don’t think it’s a necessary provision,” she said. “I don’t know why it was included. I need to get to the root of it.”

Chris Anders, a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the decision to add the provision to the spending bill seemed like it was very tightly held and caught the administration flat-footed.

“It came as somewhat of a surprise to the administration,” he said. “They did not make a comment on it until the Justice Department came out with a letter this afternoon.”

House Democrats may have been feeling added pressure on the issue since the director of national intelligence issued a recidivism report to Congress earlier this week, which said five of the 69 detainees transferred to other countries form Guantanamo Bay by the Obama administration are believed to have rejoined terrorist groups.

The vast majority of the 598 detainees released from the prison since it was opened in 2002 were transferred under the Bush administration, either to their home countries or to other nations. In all, 150 detainees, or 25 percent, are confirmed or believed to have rejoined the fight, the report said.

Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/133039-dems-show-signs-of-abandoning-obama-after-frustration-with-tax-deal



And the hits keep coming to Odumba's head. This is better than 12 stitches to the lip!

The more I read this, the more it seems that his own party is keel-hauling him!
HockeyDad Offline
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Somebody hit the "self-destruct" button at DNC headquarters.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Somebody hit the "self-destruct" button at DNC headquarters.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE
dsmokers Offline
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I like the way some people make up pet names for people to pretend they know them. It adds to their sense of self worth and all dontcha know!
DadZilla3 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg

To balance the budget, around 30% of this has to be eliminated. Good fricking luck and pray interest rates stay low.


Exactly.

Unfortunately I don't see that any but a very few legislators will vote to reduce the bloated Federal carcass that they feed upon.
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