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dlandri21 Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 4:54 PM EST
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I'm having a high humidity issue right now with my two storage humidors. I pretty much buy everything here, so my cigars arrive wet to begin with. Anyway, I'm using 65 rh boveda packs, but my digital hygrometer reads about 68 to 70 rh.It was calibrated with the boveda kit, so I assume it's correct. I picked up some exquisicat on friday and put that in my humidor. Two days later and it hasn't dropped at all. I haven't ever used a silica based product, so I'm wondering if the delay is normal. Any suggestions?
Abrignac Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 4:58 PM EST
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Our kitty litter box has perfect humidity. I'm guessing if it wasn't the cat wouldn't use it.
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#3 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 5:15 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Our kitty litter box has perfect humidity. I'm guessing if it wasn't the cat wouldn't use it.

+1. Kitty Litter is for cats to chit in not for cigars. horse
edin508 Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 5:41 PM EST
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Heartfelt beads!!!
fishy1 Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 5:44 PM EST
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pm cacman for kitty litter advice
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#6 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 6:06 PM EST
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fishy1 wrote:
pm cacman for kitty litter advice


This.

Cacman is our go-to on kitty litter
sd72 Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 6:22 PM EST
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I had to dry my beads out yesterday in the oven. Same type of issue, humidity was higher than the beads are conditioned. Maybe the kl is at max moisture and not drawing in, but letting out.

See if you can dry some at 170 in the oven on a cookie sheet, till they turn white. Let those cool and try them in the humi.
dlandri21 Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 6:30 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
I had to dry my beads out yesterday in the oven. Same type of issue, humidity was higher than the beads are conditioned. Maybe the kl is at max moisture and not drawing in, but letting out.

See if you can dry some at 170 in the oven on a cookie sheet, till they turn white. Let those cool and try them in the humi.

I forgot to mention its dry. I put it in there with the bovedas hoping it would draw out the extra humidity.
sd72 Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 6:48 PM EST
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Then I don't know bud. It's designed to "get wet",maybe try misting it with a spray bottle to give it a jump start. Just guessing though. Sorry bros.
cacman Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 7:17 PM EST
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dlandri21 wrote:
I'm having a high humidity issue right now with my two storage humidors. I pretty much buy everything here, so my cigars arrive wet to begin with. Anyway, I'm using 65 rh boveda packs, but my digital hygrometer reads about 68 to 70 rh.It was calibrated with the boveda kit, so I assume it's correct. I picked up some exquisicat on friday and put that in my humidor. Two days later and it hasn't dropped at all. I haven't ever used a silica based product, so I'm wondering if the delay is normal. Any suggestions?

How many Broveda packs are you using? Try using less. d'oh!

Send your Kitty Litter to tonygraz so he can use it to get the swampazz smell out of his humi. KL is not made to regulate humidity. Buy Beads.
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#11 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 7:22 PM EST
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When using kitty litter it works better if the cats have already used it, just make sure to remove any big clumps that could be confused as a cigar…
dlandri21 Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 7:35 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
Then I don't know bud. It's designed to "get wet",maybe try misting it with a spray bottle to give it a jump start. Just guessing though. Sorry bros.

No worries. I think it might be time for a new hygro. I have a xikar that seems like it might be hit and miss. Its a few years old
KingoftheCove Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 7:42 PM EST
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All KL is not the same......not a fan at all of Exquisicat
IMHO........this is the stuff to get
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HWE6F0/ref=pe_175190_21431760_cs_sce_dp_1

yeah I know.....KL is not for cigars......whatever
shaun341 Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 8:10 PM EST
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If I can remember correctly kitty litter is around 70 rh. I would say just take some boveda packs out of the humi or try what SD suggested.
Philly Jack Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 8:24 PM EST
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Leave kitty Litter to the Kitties use Beads
Oscar Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 8:27 PM EST
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Meow what is wrong with kitty litter?
dlandri21 Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 9:02 PM EST
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Thanks for the replies...even the less than serious ones. We've had a few damp days here in new jersey lately and I'm running the a/c lessand opening the windows more. Hopefully it's just a temporary issue.
skillett Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Sep 28 2014, 11:42 PM EST
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add a pound or two of fresh KL for sure and keep door shut for 3 or 4 days.

You're anxiety doesn't help the sticks, just makes them more hyper to :>[ and harder to manage.
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#19 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 9:27 AM EST
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Pull the KL and Boveda pack from the humidor for 24 hours and see what the hygrometer reads - it should start to head south within a day. If it does not - you need a new hygrometer, its stuck.

You can always restore the humidity a few degrees without affecting the smokes, but do not go more than a few days without something in there to maintain the RH.

If the RH in your home is higher than 60% you are increasing the possibility of mold/mildew growing in your home. Get a dehumidifier.
cacman Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 10:00 AM EST
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skillett wrote:
add a pound or two of fresh KL for sure and keep door shut for 3 or 4 days.

You're anxiety doesn't help the sticks, just makes them more hyper to :>[ and harder to manage.

Shame on you KL is NOT made to absorb or regulate humidity. It IS made to absorb moisture and odors!!! Shame on you

Take a Broveda Pack or two out of your humi. Don't be a cheapskate. Buy beads!
dlandri21 Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 3:16 PM EST
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Problem solved...the litter needed to be dried out. I have a 63 rh reading as of this morning.
sd72 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 3:47 PM EST
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KL, the cigar miracle stuff.
tonygraz Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 5:31 PM EST
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I took my kitty litter to the dump today---the cat soiled it.
wheelrite Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 6:03 PM EST
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I hate cats,,,
we're dog people..

Cats are for queers,,

wheel,
dlandri21 Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 6:49 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
I hate cats,,,
we're dog people..

Cats are for queers,,

wheel,

I don't get why cats like to pee on this stuff. They're weird animals. I'm a dog person myself.
shaun341 Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 7:17 PM EST
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Well you could teach your cat to go in the toilet but they can't flush
tonygraz Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Sep 29 2014, 8:30 PM EST
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Yes they can, but they can't wipe well unless there's a rug nearby.
skillett Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Sep 30 2014, 5:55 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Shame on you KL is NOT made to absorb or regulate humidity. It IS made to absorb moisture and odors!!! Shame on you

Take a Broveda Pack or two out of your humi. Don't be a cheapskate. Buy beads!



READ POST #21, KITTY LITTER ROCKS AND PROVEN AGAIN. Cheapskate, not hardly, just know how to get the bang for the buck (not wasteful am I). Herfing
ZRX1200 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Sep 30 2014, 6:28 PM EST
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KL is best for storage of Internet cigars.....


I use beads.
skillett Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Oct 1 2014, 7:51 PM EST
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Yup, mine and yours - agree. I use KL with same results.
cacman Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2014, 8:57 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I took my kitty litter to the dump today---the cat soiled it.

Used KL with the same results. Applause
carpentrylai Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2014, 9:22 PM EST
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i use kitty litter no smell silica gel type.

i put them in the aquatic bags you get at fish store. thing is you can just place them at bottom of humidor inside or outside a bag and they work like a machine. 65% humidity at all times. i don't even use those igloos morons suggest.

i put them in a plastic box that isn't airtight. i want that fermentation to release and the kitty litter works so damn well, it doesn't matter that it isn't airtight.


kitty liiter is the best.

btw i use the kind that is both blue and white. no diff from just white gels.

i have over 50k in cigars stored in non airtight plastic tubs bought at walmart with kitty litter gel. been that way for years and 0 issues.
KingoftheCove Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2014, 9:44 PM EST
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carpentrylai wrote:
i use kitty litter no smell silica gel type.

i put them in the aquatic bags you get at fish store. thing is you can just place them at bottom of humidor inside or outside a bag and they work like a machine. 65% humidity at all times. i don't even use those igloos morons suggest.

i put them in a plastic box that isn't airtight. i want that fermentation to release and the kitty litter works so damn well, it doesn't matter that it isn't airtight.


kitty liiter is the best.

btw i use the kind that is both blue and white. no diff from just white gels.

i have over 50k in cigars stored in non airtight plastic tubs bought at walmart with kitty litter gel. been that way for years and 0 issues.


OhMyGod
but. KL is only one way humidification!
and, KL will absorb all the nice cigar odors!
and, you have to use twice as much KL!!
and.....and........KL is NOT for cigars!
50K?? You must have a lot of those expensive Gurkhas.......the one the Sultan smokes................and stuff.
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#34 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2014, 10:39 PM EST
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Note to self, don't ever trade with carpentrtlai.
skillett Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Oct 2 2014, 10:50 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
OhMyGod
but. KL is only one way humidification!
and, KL will absorb all the nice cigar odors!
and, you have to use twice as much KL!!
and.....and........KL is NOT for cigars!
50K?? You must have a lot of those expensive Gurkhas.......the one the Sultan smokes................and stuff.




I guess you're against coolidors also.

2 PLUS years with KL and NO PROBLEMS.

ALL NOTE: KITTY LITTER ROCKS. LET HER RIP. Works on internet, B&M, and all types of good cigars, long filler that is. Your short cut filler, sweepings from the floor, Well they probably do suck up all the nice cigar odors. Not mine though.

KITTY LITTER ROCKS!
cacman Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 1:38 AM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
OhMyGod
but. KL is only one way humidification!
and, KL will absorb all the nice cigar odors!
and, you have to use twice as much KL!!
and.....and........KL is NOT for cigars!

Preach it Brother… preach it! Hallelujah! I'm currently running a 50qt cooledor for aging, a Treasure Dome for CC's, and a 100ct for domestics. Nothing major, but all on beads!

skillett - If you're buying cigars from a B&M that uses kitty litter in their humi, I'd suggest you find another B&M!

No reputable B&M that I know of uses or recommends using kitty litter to store/age cigars. Nor would I buy from a B&M that used kitty litter in it's humi. So why do you you believe it's OK to store your cigars at home with KL??? Why would someone want to buy/trade with someone that uses KL in their humi when they wouldn't buy from a B&M that had KL in it's humi?

Kitty Litter Sucks… literally. Look at the description on the package! It's made to absorb moisture (wet - not humidity - there's a difference) and it absorb odors. Would you want your kitty litter to release the moisture and odors it absorbs after your cat deficates on it? Would you want to breathe that in the air?? NO! So why would you put KL in your humi to store your cigars?

Freakin cheapskate noobs! Wise up!
Not all silica is engineered the same. If it was, you would have no problem putting desicant silica in your humi too!

I find in incomprehensible that folks will go to great lengths and expense to find the cigars they love, only to cheap-out on how they store them with KL. Phfffft! Brick wall
ZRX1200 Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 1:42 AM EST
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Illinichaser in 3.....

2........

1.........


I'm PRO HF beads, but I'm OK with people being KL curious but don't personally condone or agree with the choice.
cacman Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 2:00 AM EST
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I've only recommended using KL in a humi ONCE. And that was to tonygraz to get the swampazz smell out of a humi he bought on eBay. Buyer beware. You get what you pay for!
dlandri21 Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 5:52 AM EST
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This turned into a lively debate. Anyway, for the record, the litter isn't in there by itself. I'm still using boveda packs and just using a small container of the litter to pick up the extra moisture. The boveda packs are still kinda new, but when they start to dry out, I'll consider switching to the beads. The bovedas are good, but not the most cost effective option.
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#40 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 6:25 AM EST
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KL. The magic dust of cbid. It gives your cigars wings
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#41 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 1:21 PM EST
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I stopped using kl my wife's cats kept trying to crap in my humidors.


Pissed me off when I was halfway through it and realized it was a cat turd and not a bait fish!!!!














Sarcasm
KingoftheCove Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 5:50 PM EST
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If one actually understands how KL actually controls "odor" when used as kitty litter for cats, you would learn two things:

1) KL is in fact, two way humidification.
2) KL does not "absorb" odors.

But most people just preach what they think they know, or read, or heard, or want to believe.

How many botl are using KL I wonder?
Prolly just Skillet and me I suppose.............
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#43 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 6:04 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:


How many botl are using KL I wonder?


I don't know, but I think we should identify them, round them up, and put 'em in a camp somewhere until we can decide what to do with them... Herfing
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#44 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 6:16 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't know, but I think we should identify them, round them up, and put 'em in a camp somewhere until we can decide what to do with them... Herfing

ya! and put us on a "no trading" list.......cause our cigars have lost all their nice smells and essential oils and stuff............

but I'm a "cheater".......cause I use Heartfelt too...........................
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#45 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 6:28 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
ya! and put us on a "no trading" list.......cause our cigars have lost all their nice smells and essential oils and stuff............

but I'm a "cheater".......cause I use Heartfelt too...........................


we call your kind "half-breeds"... but ya, you still gotta go to the camp....
KingoftheCove Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 10:16 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
we call your kind "half-breeds"... but ya, you still gotta go to the camp....

Do I get to keep my cigars after my internment?
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#47 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 10:42 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
If one actually understands how KL actually controls "odor" when used as kitty litter for cats, you would learn two things:

1) KL is in fact, two way humidification.
2) KL does not "absorb" odors.

But most people just preach what they think they know, or read, or heard, or want to believe.

How many botl are using KL I wonder?
Prolly just Skillet and me I suppose.............



I won't lie I have used KL in the past. I now have Heartfelt Beads in 1 wineador and the beads Roaster had in another and to be honest I cannot tell the difference between the beads and KL. Humidity stays the same and odor when I open the door seems the same also. KL needed a little more attention to it is all I have noticed as a difference.

I ordered the Heartfelt this past summer and to be honest they are outrageously expensive, I believe it was $48 for a lb shipped. I spend a ton of time finding the best prices I can on my cigars so that I can buy what I want so why not spend the time trying figure out what humidification works for you at the best value. Spending money on a name is not what I am about and never will be.

This topic is like horse, some will always buy the brand with the name on it rather then take the time to see if it is that much better to be worth it.
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#48 Posted: Fri, Oct 3 2014, 10:51 PM EST
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shaun341 wrote:
I won't lie I have used KL in the past. I now have Heartfelt Beads in 1 wineador and the beads Roaster had in another and to be honest I cannot tell the difference between the beads and KL. Humidity stays the same and odor when I open the door seems the same also. KL needed a little more attention to it is all I have noticed as a difference.

I ordered the Heartfelt this past summer and to be honest they are outrageously expensive, I believe it was $48 for a lb shipped. I spend a ton of time finding the best prices I can on my cigars so that I can buy what I want so why not spend the time trying figure out what humidification works for you at the best value. Spending money on a name is not what I am about and never will be.

This topic is like horse, some will always buy the brand with the name on it rather then take the time to see if it is that much better to be worth it.

Talk like that will get you put in the camp, EVEN THOUGH you are using beads.
Retract your statements immediately, before Opel comes knocking..............or worse................Cacman!
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#49 Posted: Sat, Oct 4 2014, 1:20 AM EST
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shaun341 wrote:
I won't lie I have used KL in the past. I now have Heartfelt Beads in 1 wineador and the beads Roaster had in another and to be honest I cannot tell the difference between the beads and KL. Humidity stays the same and odor when I open the door seems the same also. KL needed a little more attention to it is all I have noticed as a difference.

I ordered the Heartfelt this past summer and to be honest they are outrageously expensive, I believe it was $48 for a lb shipped. I spend a ton of time finding the best prices I can on my cigars so that I can buy what I want so why not spend the time trying figure out what humidification works for you at the best value. Spending money on a name is not what I am about and never will be.

This topic is like horse, some will always buy the brand with the name on it rather then take the time to see if it is that much better to be worth it.


we call guys like you "sympathizers"... almost as bad as the half breeds....
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