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atccigar Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, May 19 2016, 9:08 PM EST
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But i am curious why torch vs not and why multiple vs single?
edin508 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, May 19 2016, 9:14 PM EST
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Easier to toast that foot and they work great outside even in the wind.
Torch, 3 or 4 multi FTW.
tank71663 Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, May 19 2016, 9:26 PM EST
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I use a double to lite...

An a single to touch up or re lite...

But really...find out what U like an go with it...


Tank
NoisyTutor Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 6:19 AM EST
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I have seen people light them with a bic and it's a big no no.

You want something that will evenly toast and light the cigar without leaving behind anything that would affect the flavor, I.E. unburned gas exiting the Bic. An even light will help prevent running or an uneven burn right off the bat which can at time be hard to recover from.

Some people light with a strip of cedar to impart some additional aroma.
atccigar Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 6:40 AM EST
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So the multi flame is just more efficient at get the whole tip or most at once. There seems to be an elitist feel to using matches. Is that just a throw back to nostalgia or more to it? The cedar somewhat makes sense to me but clearly less convenient as you would have to have cedar and something to light it with
99cobra2881 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 7:10 AM EST
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Nothing toasts better than a stick match. My local gives away long matches that work very well to light a cigar. I use two, first one to toast the foot second one to light it completely.

Some just throw fire to it, good for them I do the same when I'm burning a pile of sticks in the yard. For a cigar, taking my time to slow down and light it is all part of why a cigar is so relaxing.

Matches have their time and place. When I'm golfing I carry two jetlites and when I'm elsewhere I carry a twin flame my wife bought for me.
hnixon12 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 7:22 AM EST
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atccigar wrote:
But i am curious why torch vs not and why multiple vs single?


New York Quad lighter...just buy it, you will see!
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 7:45 AM EST
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I've used just about every method of lighting a cigar and I think the best bang for the bucks lighter is a zippo with a torch insert or a BIC style lighter. You can use aged wooden whatever, etc... and in the end it's the cigar that matters not how it is lit. YMMV fog
dstieger Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 7:46 AM EST
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NoisyTutor wrote:
I have seen people light them with a bic and it's a big no no.

You want something that will evenly toast and light the cigar without leaving behind anything that would affect the flavor, I.E. unburned gas exiting the Bic. An even light will help prevent running or an uneven burn right off the bat which can at time be hard to recover from.

Some people light with a strip of cedar to impart some additional aroma.


Huh?

Not my preferred method, but I've used a Bic hundreds (thousands?) of times and have NEVER tasted anything that I might consider having any odor or aroma. What is the difference in the fluid in a bic and the fluid in a torch...other than pressure?

The reason that I (and most, I believe) use cedar splints is not for the aroma of the cedar! I like the way my cigars taste...I'm not so presumptuous as to think that I can improve upon what Pete, Matt, Arturo, Carlos, Jon, Dion and others have blended by adding a cedar flame.

A bic, or a match or a splint will all give you a softer flame and is far less likely to scorch/burn the foot than a torch. That will affect the taste. Obviously, you need to burn the tobacco, but if you have the patience to light it much slower with a softer flame...AND light it EVENLY, you're going to have a better cigar experience. For three reasons off the top of my head: even burn; more attention and concentration on the effort/cigar; better initial taste. That first is key -- slower, careful lighting is likely to give you a much better burn for the first inch or two of your cigar.

The drawback to the soft flame methods is wind....and time/patience. It is time consuming and it doesn't work well in even a light breeze. Thus, many of us use a torch. You can get a gentle, even light with a torch, but it does take a bit of practice for some of us.
cacman Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 7:52 AM EST
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Bic all day long. Only cost a buck. And if you lose it, it only cost a buck.

Torches don't last more than a week here. Think it has to do with the altitude.
atccigar Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 8:16 AM EST
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dstieger. Nice explanation. I do appreciate it and for what it is worth makes sense to me. On the torch then you would just hold it a little further away?

Cacman. What do you mean they don't last? Run out of fuel or quit working all together?
cacman Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 8:26 AM EST
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atccigar wrote:
Cacman. What do you mean they don't last? Run out of fuel or quit working all together?

Quit working completely. Even a Ronson Z sent quit after a half-dozen uses. I have no faith in torch lighters.
Plus I don't want to carry 2 different lighters, torch for the cigar and soft-flame for the pipe. Can't use a torch in a pipe.
dstieger Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 8:43 AM EST
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atccigar wrote:
dstieger. Nice explanation. I do appreciate it and for what it is worth makes sense to me. On the torch then you would just hold it a little further away?



As a general rule, keep the flame just out of reach of the foot. Rotate the foot; or at least move it around to keep the light even. Some old-schoolers will tell you that you should never inhale when lighting: keep the cigar out of your mouth and rotate it just out of reach of the flame - blow on the foot once it just starts to get red across the entire foot. ....not the way I generally do it, but if I'm reviewing or particularly into that particular cigar experience, I do.
NoisyTutor Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 8:52 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Huh?

Not my preferred method, but I've used a Bic hundreds (thousands?) of times and have NEVER tasted anything that I might consider having any odor or aroma. What is the difference in the fluid in a bic and the fluid in a torch...other than pressure?

The reason that I (and most, I believe) use cedar splints is not for the aroma of the cedar! I like the way my cigars taste...I'm not so presumptuous as to think that I can improve upon what Pete, Matt, Arturo, Carlos, Jon, Dion and others have blended by adding a cedar flame.

A bic, or a match or a splint will all give you a softer flame and is far less likely to scorch/burn the foot than a torch. That will affect the taste. Obviously, you need to burn the tobacco, but if you have the patience to light it much slower with a softer flame...AND light it EVENLY, you're going to have a better cigar experience. For three reasons off the top of my head: even burn; more attention and concentration on the effort/cigar; better initial taste. That first is key -- slower, careful lighting is likely to give you a much better burn for the first inch or two of your cigar.

The drawback to the soft flame methods is wind....and time/patience. It is time consuming and it doesn't work well in even a light breeze. Thus, many of us use a torch. You can get a gentle, even light with a torch, but it does take a bit of practice for some of us.


Well to clarify a touch when I said enhance the aroma with cedar I wasn't referring to the flavor that the guys you listed have created. Literally some people like to smell the aroma of the cedar before they light or smoke the stogie, it doesn't change the flavor itself but can help you to draw different tasting notes from the cigar like different foods or smells can enhance a wine tasting.

Getting an even burn with a BIC can be a challenge, almost impossible. The gas escaping is something I read on a blog about the proper way to light, not fact but opinion only.
cacman Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 9:20 AM EST
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NoisyTutor wrote:
Getting an even burn with a BIC can be a challenge, almost impossible.

Maybe cause you're not doing it right.
I've never had a problem getting an even burn with a cigar that's stored properly.
NoisyTutor Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 9:24 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
Maybe cause you're not doing it right.
I've never had a problem getting an even burn with a cigar that's stored properly.



it's possible, not much practice with a bic but I prefer my Xikar or a good ol match.
dstieger Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 9:26 AM EST
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I can't find the shovel smiley
cameroon Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 9:49 AM EST
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Hey guize! Should I leave the cellophane on my cigars, or take it off?
atccigar Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 1:18 PM EST
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Now i gotta find a lighter. Woohoo. The search is on
atccigar Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 1:18 PM EST
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Now i gotta find a lighter. Woohoo. The search is on
deadeyedick Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, May 20 2016, 5:49 PM EST
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[quote=cacman]Bic all day long. Only cost a buck. And if you lose it, it only cost a buck.

Torches don't last more than a week here. Think it has to do with the altitude.[/quote]

Thats what happens when you live in the mountains. Bring that same torch down to the flatlands and it's fine.

Even my trusty Dupont Maxijet which has never failed me in 10 years won't light once I get above about 5500 ft elevation. Guess it's either the oxygen level or the pressure.
99cobra2881 Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 3:35 PM EST
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Here's what I have. It was a gift from my wife. Dependable lighter, triple flame.

http://www.scorchtorch.com
DrMaddVibe Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 3:43 PM EST
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Everyone always forgets about using a hundred dollar bill.
KingoftheCove Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 3:58 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Everyone always forgets about using a hundred dollar bill.

+1
If you roll them up correctly, they'll give off a good flame and stay lit even in a slight breeze, .
It's weird how $20s don't work.........not that I'd ever stoop to that level......I've seen others try it.
atccigar Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 4:50 PM EST
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Scorchs look cool
Propadope61 Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 5:15 PM EST
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Ronson Jet Lite
$2.99 at walmart
Works with any kind of butane.
Still have the same one since 2010
NO PROBLEMS
elk hunter Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 6:07 PM EST
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+1 on the Jet Lite...
99cobra2881 Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 6:18 PM EST
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If I'm using a jetlite I carry two.
atccigar Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 6:30 PM EST
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3 dollar torch?
Propadope61 Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, May 21 2016, 8:55 PM EST
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Yep.
Walmart
I think there $4.50 on line from Ronson
I have about 20 that I use in trades
atccigar Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, May 22 2016, 12:16 AM EST
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3 dollar torch?
atccigar Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, May 22 2016, 12:17 AM EST
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I will look for them
Mr Roso Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, May 22 2016, 2:12 PM EST
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Whatever you use, just make sure you're using good butane. Don't go for cheap here. It makes a ton of difference IMO.
atccigar Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, May 22 2016, 6:20 PM EST
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Can you explain?
tj2001cobra Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, May 23 2016, 12:22 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
Quit working completely. Even a Ronson Z sent quit after a half-dozen uses. I have no faith in torch lighters.
Plus I don't want to carry 2 different lighters, torch for the cigar and soft-flame for the pipe. Can't use a torch in a pipe.


As much as I like Carl, I have to disagree. never had a problem with my torches in Colorado. Perhaps he is using them to light sticky substances which could gum up the works?

Viva Colorado!!!!!!!!!! fog whip
tj2001cobra Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, May 23 2016, 12:33 AM EST
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atccigar wrote:
Can you explain?


Use highly refined butane in your lighters. 5x+ is good. Lower quality crap gums up the works
ZRX1200 Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, May 23 2016, 1:32 AM EST
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I use torches I got on amazon for $12 (6 torches with a big tank) had them for over a year no issues.
Propadope61 Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, May 23 2016, 8:44 AM EST
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I use Ronson butane in my Ronson Jetlite for years without a problem
Proper purging before refilling is a must
dstieger Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, May 23 2016, 8:50 AM EST
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I like Ronson Jetlites. However, since I started buying/using those from dealextreme that The Gerbil recommended many years ago, I haven't bought another Jetlite. Bonus: the dealextreme plastic bodied torches breeze by TSA in your carry on.
Mr Roso Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, May 23 2016, 11:08 AM EST
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I had a terrible experience with Ronson, so I decided to pay the extra couple of bucks for a better grade and haven't had any issues since.
tj2001cobra Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, May 23 2016, 11:02 PM EST
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I use Vector. I think it is filtered 14x or something ridiculous. But, I've NEVER had problems with my lighters. I'm using a bugatti torch I got on cbid for the last 2 years with no issues and literally hundreds of uses.
hc213 Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, May 27 2016, 4:43 AM EST
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I prefer my natural flame Xikar EX with Vector butane
t33bone Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, Jun 4 2016, 1:57 PM EST
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atccigar wrote:
But i am curious why torch vs not and why multiple vs single?

Heck, I use the sun to light mine when it's real hot.
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