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I really dislike labor unions
tonygraz Offline
#51 Posted:
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I worked a few years for a company that started a new plant about 50 miles away from their existing plant just so they could start over again without a union. They were sucessfull is closing the old plant and getting the new one operating union free. Without the union and their rules the company muddled along a few years losing money every year. Then the owners sold it. The new owner made lots of changes and layed off some workers. After a couple of years without a profit they sold out.

The point is that the union had given them structure and the workers had experience. The new plant and new workers never really got it together.
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Apparently you don't know too many teachers (k-12... sounds like you're mainly talking college professors).

What happens with teachers, is greedy politicians get in there and rape the education budgets, and when that happens, it forces the skilled and talented teachers to leave the profession. A good teacher has the mentality and drive to take up another profession rather easily, they're good because they actually want to teach and make a difference, not because it's all they can do.

So teachers continually get worse, test scores keep dropping (don't get me started on teaching to the test), class sizes keep getting bigger and then people start talking about how much better it would be if education was privatized.

I've known plenty of people who went to private schools, IMO, it's not really better, I mean, they still have to achieve the same standards as public education, and kids can still turn into screw ups, where they simply get kicked out.

Anyway... you found another topic I generally agree with the left on (just their rhetoric, not their actions as their actions don't support the position).

I believe to stay competitive with other countries, we need solid education system. We need to quit teaching to the test and focus on teaching critical thinking skills as most trade jobs of the future are going to engineering the tools/robots that create the products and do the services as opposed to actually doing the work your self.

I'm rambling now, point is, good teachers are good, don't want to pay teachers sh1t? No good teachers, that's the bottom line.



Regardless of how we feel about good/bad teachers, there should not be a teacher's union. It is counter productive.
tailgater Offline
#53 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
I worked a few years for a company that started a new plant about 50 miles away from their existing plant just so they could start over again without a union. They were sucessfull is closing the old plant and getting the new one operating union free. Without the union and their rules the company muddled along a few years losing money every year. Then the owners sold it. The new owner made lots of changes and layed off some workers. After a couple of years without a profit they sold out.

The point is that the union had given them structure and the workers had experience. The new plant and new workers never really got it together.


LOL!

Sad part is, you probably believe that.

MACS Offline
#54 Posted:
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I'm in a labor union because I have to be. I hate it.

Means to an end... 8 years and they can kiss my ass.
bgz Offline
#55 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Regardless of how we feel about good/bad teachers, there should not be a teacher's union. It is counter productive.


My bad, got off topic, lol.
tonygraz Offline
#56 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
LOL!

Sad part is, you probably believe that.



I lived that, each union has it's own pros and cons. Been on both sides -management and member.
sd72 Offline
#57 Posted:
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You'll never sway him Tony. He is what he complains about.
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted:
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Sway?
LOL!
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted:
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how do you feel about Credit Unions?
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted:
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It's import to protect credit so I guess I'm for them until they outstay their purpose.
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted:
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ya.. once we're all on da welfare it won't matter anymore... Mellow
sd72 Offline
#62 Posted:
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Credit Unions MUST BE OUTLAWED.
sd72 Offline
#63 Posted:
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Pipe unions, gas unions, black pipe unions, dielectric unions, and the Soviet Union too.
MACS Offline
#64 Posted:
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Like I said... I'm in a labor union right now, and I can see where Joe has disdain for them. I don't believe he is speaking about professional/trade unions, which dictate training and experience and such, but labor unions.

The big unions, such as ours, donate money to political candidates and in doing so try to influence policy in their favor... much like the special interest groups most of us do not like. They send out info telling us who they support and who we should support.

For the guys who get in trouble at work, they provide legal representation. If you're falsely accused, that's helpful. If you're just a sh*tbag employee... they help you keep a job you don't deserve. I've seen it.
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted:
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
tailgater Offline
#66 Posted:
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It all started with civil unions.

And the fact that I used to pronounce "union" like "onion".
Quite embarrassing.
For a sophomore.
In college.

DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted:
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it was prolly the style at the time... Mellow
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