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delta1 Online
#51 Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2017, 6:00 PM EST
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Expanding on bgz's point...

...look at the Native American tribes as an example. They were killing each other before the European invasion. Europeans were/are killing each other...Asians were/are killing each other, Arabs too: all one race but at each other's throats. It's less about race when there is homogeneity, more about tribe...but when races try to mix, the racial tension and the tribalism magnifies. It doesn't help that religions among members of the same race and different races claim moral and spiritual superiority.

I bought into the American ideal of this being a great melting pot and sincerely hope that we can achieve that in my children's or their children's lifetime. I'm about done and do not see it happening in my lifetime...too many hard-liners who won't begrudge anything to anyone who looks and acts differently than the English/European model. And the reverse. I see fewer hard-liners among the younger generations, so that is my hope for the future. Fewer "all- ____" institutions...

I think that the blending of cultures from around the world has strengthened this country and that our "whole out of many" gives America an edge that will take the rest of the world a while to catch up.
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#52 Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2017, 8:42 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:


I bought into the American ideal of this being a great melting pot and sincerely hope that we can achieve that in my children's or their children's lifetime. I'm about done and do not see it happening in my lifetime...too many hard-liners who won't begrudge anything to anyone who looks and acts differently than the English/European model. And the reverse. I see fewer hard-liners among the younger generations, so that is my hope for the future. Fewer "all- ____" institutions...
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I find the complete opposite is true.
Sure, there are your occasional bonehead racist or malcontent that wants to blame race on all of life's woes.
But overall I find that people are accepting in this country.

Honest question: What would it take for your to view America as being inclusive?


I b*tch a lot on these boards because it's fun.
But pointing out the azzwipes is different than feeling that our country is inherently repulsive. Which is what I consider racism to be in this year 2017.



Sometimes bad things happen.
We need to stop blaming bad things on skin color or religion.
We are no more a nation of racists than we are a nation of murderers. We have both, but they don't define us. Unless we let them.
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#53 Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2017, 9:06 PM EST
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Who gets the reparations?


I have distant family members who were slave owners . Am I due reparations ? They had legally aquire "property" that was taken by the federal government without compensation.



Who pays the reparations ?

Shouldn't the first person who sold the slave pay ? Slaves traded from the Congo arrived to market as captured opponents from other tribes and we're sold by other Africans . At times they were sold by family members .


I'll pass on any reparations I'm due for slavery just pay me for invading my country and take your slaves back to Africa and you back to Europe or Asia .
delta1 Online
#54 Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2017, 10:16 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I find the complete opposite is true.
Sure, there are your occasional bonehead racist or malcontent that wants to blame race on all of life's woes.
But overall I find that people are accepting in this country.

Honest question: What would it take for your to view America as being inclusive?


I b*tch a lot on these boards because it's fun.
But pointing out the azzwipes is different than feeling that our country is inherently repulsive. Which is what I consider racism to be in this year 2017.



Sometimes bad things happen.
We need to stop blaming bad things on skin color or religion.
We are no more a nation of racists than we are a nation of murderers. We have both, but they don't define us. Unless we let them.



That was not the point I was trying, obviously inarticulately, to make. I do not think our country is repulsive, only some of the main levers of power. The last segment of my rant states in a nutshell where my view of the current state of America is. We are better situated than any other country in the world to achieve greater success and move mankind forward. What would it take to make me feel America is more inclusive?

We need an overhaul of our political process that empowers the wealthiest among us (including the Koch Brothers and their cronies who evolved from originating the John Birch Society/spawn of KKK) to control media outlets, buy politicians, write favorable legislation for their businesses, enact tax dodges for themselves and denigrate science and the studies of their industries that prove they are slowly destroying the world. Their media mouthpieces influence their audiences, large swaths of the population, with hate filled propaganda aimed at instilling fear and hatred of poor people, especially colored poor people. While they are lining their pockets, building their wealth at everyman's expense and avoiding paying their fair share of taxes, they pit the middle-class against the poor, blaming the poor for all the nation's problems. They seem to have little interest in advancing knowledge to improve the world, to rebuild the systems that allowed their rise, to replenish public education systems that helped produce the labor pool that filled their company's staffs. They are motivated only to squeeze more profits. Trump is the embodiment of that.

They may or may not be racists...I lean towards the former based on their behavior. They use race to divide us all.
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#55 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 2:07 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
That was not the point I was trying, obviously inarticulately, to make. I do not think our country is repulsive, only some of the main levers of power. The last segment of my rant states in a nutshell where my view of the current state of America is. We are better situated than any other country in the world to achieve greater success and move mankind forward. What would it take to make me feel America is more inclusive?

We need an overhaul of our political process that empowers the wealthiest among us (including the Koch Brothers and their cronies who evolved from originating the John Birch Society/spawn of KKK) to control media outlets, buy politicians, write favorable legislation for their businesses, enact tax dodges for themselves and denigrate science and the studies of their industries that prove they are slowly destroying the world. Their media mouthpieces influence their audiences, large swaths of the population, with hate filled propaganda aimed at instilling fear and hatred of poor people, especially colored poor people. While they are lining their pockets, building their wealth at everyman's expense and avoiding paying their fair share of taxes, they pit the middle-class against the poor, blaming the poor for all the nation's problems. They seem to have little interest in advancing knowledge to improve the world, to rebuild the systems that allowed their rise, to replenish public education systems that helped produce the labor pool that filled their company's staffs. They are motivated only to squeeze more profits. Trump is the embodiment of that.

They may or may not be racists...I lean towards the former based on their behavior. They use race to divide us all.



That IS exactly what Barry and his ilk have done for eight years....Thankfully...that BS is OVER
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#56 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 2:42 PM EST
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Obama hasn't done anything to divide our country.

It's the people trying for some unknown reason to pick apart everything he did and claim it's somehow different than any other president who did that.

Congrats on being part of the problem.
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#57 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 2:56 PM EST
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[quote=victor809]Obama hasn't done anything to stop the divide in our country.



Finally, we agree on something....

He's only ADDED to the problem
victor809 Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 3:14 PM EST
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Changing my quote and pretending to agree isn't particularly clever...
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#59 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 3:18 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Changing my quote and pretending to agree is particularly clever...

I don't think so...
bgz Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 4:06 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Changing my boots and pretending to be a bum isn't particularly clever...


I agree!
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#61 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 4:41 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Georgetown Prof Michael Eric Dyson wants white people to open “an individual reparations account,” he told the New York Times in an interview about his forthcoming book, Tears We Cannot Stop: A Sermon to White America.

The book, written for what Dyson says he considers to be an empathetic white audience, calls for white Americans to give to organizations benefitting people of color.

But more important, Dyson says, are person-to-person reparations like paying “the black person who cuts your grass double what you might ordinarily pay.”

“You ain’t got to ask the government, you don’t have to ask your local politician—this is what you, an individual, conscientious, ‘woke’ citizen can do,” Dyson told the New York Times.
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We already do this.....it is called WELFARE.

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victor809 Offline
#62 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 4:59 PM EST
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.... and this ^ is why we still have racism in America.

Maybe you should go move to higher altitude with cacman....
victor809 Offline
#63 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 5:00 PM EST
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Opel... bgz... I admit... I laughed.
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#64 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2017, 5:01 PM EST
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It's just one of many reasons... stinky is as Much to blame as the professor and vice versa...
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