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Buckwheat Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
Brewha wrote:
Please Victor, we all knew the Right wanted this all along. They hate people in need - all of them.


Not bankers. They LOVE them and use our money to bail them out and then turn around and blame the people who borrowed from these human paraquats. Ever wonder why there's a bank on every FN corner in America? ram27bat
tailgater Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
opelmanta1900 wrote:
I personally have only seen one thing about obamacare that i hate, the insurance requirement/ penalty... i know so little about healthcare it's ridiculous, but as soon as the government is allowed to force citizens to buy something, I'm out...


This was a requirement in MA for Romneycare before Obamacare.

There is no single solution, but you're correct: when it's government mandated it's bad.

And having a government insurance is a joke. You can't be the insurer AND the regulator of an industry.
People are furious that President Trump has business ventures in foreign countries while sitting POTUS.
Yet they applaud Obamacare and it has a much more direct conflict of interests. (worded poorly, but you get the point).

Health Insurance only works if the healthy are forced to buy in.
My wife and I get Blue Cross through her work. We pay into it, but it's a good plan. She just got a $300 gift card for being healthy. Because private insurers know it benefits them long term.
Government insurers can't do this. It wouldn't fit the government idea of being "inclusive".
I mean, what if mostly white upper class people earned the gift card??

It's a joke, and Obamacare is doomed to fail. Not because it's poorly designed, but because it's an impossible and misguided concept.




MACS Offline
#53 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,584
My appointment for my annual physical is Wednesday. We get $250 for doing the physical and providing our blood screening biometrics (bp, sugar, cholesterol, etc).
delta1 Offline
#54 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,753
^ #53 Good example of forward thinking in the healthcare field. I belong to Kaiser and while they do not offer monetary incentives to promote preventative medicine, they do have a lot of programs on-line and at their facilities that are designed to educate and motivate patients to take better care of themselves. Keeping us healthier will save money in the long run...and hopefully result in lower costs along with more profits (grin) ... win-win

^#50 Abrignac's observation about ER's being the medical clinics as a last resort for the poor driving ER's out of business in LA is what happened here. Nearly all of the ER's in the L.A. County area went out of business. Only the State/Fed funded non-profits still have ER's...all the private ones shut down...a mandate may be the solution.

In CA, we resisted the statewide mandate for auto insurance 40 years ago. It was pushed through and after a few tough years, premium costs came down and more providers started selling auto insurance in the state. This may be a positive example for the national healthcare mandate...

Funny how the government is bad until bad crap happens: Wall St Bailout, auto industry bailout, poisons in consumables and household products, air pollution choking our cities, children dying or maimed while working. Businesses, corporations, and private enterprise won't regulate themselves, despite all the "market driven corrections" rhetoric.
elRopo Offline
#55 Posted:
Joined: 02-17-2014
Posts: 905
opelmanta1900 wrote:
Medicaid is an unecessary crutch for the lazy... what do these people want? Are there no prisons? are there no work houses? and if they would rather die, they had better do it and decrease the surplus population!

Humbug! Boo hoo!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#56 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
delta1 wrote:
^ #53 Good example of forward thinking in the healthcare field. I belong to Kaiser and while they do not offer monetary incentives to promote preventative medicine, they do have a lot of programs on-line and at their facilities that are designed to educate and motivate patients to take better care of themselves. Keeping us healthier will save money in the long run...and hopefully result in lower costs along with more profits (grin) ... win-win

^#50 Abrignac's observation about ER's being the medical clinics as a last resort for the poor driving ER's out of business in LA is what happened here. Nearly all of the ER's in the L.A. County area went out of business. Only the State/Fed funded non-profits still have ER's...all the private ones shut down...a mandate may be the solution.

In CA, we resisted the statewide mandate for auto insurance 40 years ago. It was pushed through and after a few tough years, premium costs came down and more providers started selling auto insurance in the state. This may be a positive example for the national healthcare mandate...

Funny how the government is bad until bad crap happens: Wall St Bailout, auto industry bailout, poisons in consumables and household products, air pollution choking our cities, children dying or maimed while working. Businesses, corporations, and private enterprise won't regulate themselves, despite all the "market driven corrections" rhetoric.


we LOVE kaiser... our fresno office even has a big organic farmers market out front twice a week...

one thing I also hate: we were told that if I start working and am offered insurance but choose to stay with my wife's plan so I can keep kaiser, we'll be charged $100 a month... thanks obama... Herfing
opelmanta1900 Offline
#57 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
elRopo wrote:
Humbug! Boo hoo!

thank you...
delta1 Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,753
yah...same thing happened to my daughter and SIL. They had Kaiser through his employer, and his company was bought by another one. The new company decided Kaiser premiums were too high, so effective June 2017, they will not let employees with Kaiser coverage cover their spouses without paying for a high monthly premium.

Luckily, they had their baby at Kaiser while she was still covered and has a few more months of postnatal care. And his new PPO plan reimburses him about $150/month, covers my daughter and baby and they have found some good medical care facilities nearby...thanks corporate capitalist greedy pigs! Herfing
MACS Offline
#59 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,584
I have Kaiser as well, through work. They don't pay us to do the physicals, our union does.

Riverside has the farmer's market as well... and Kaiser did my shoulder surgery. I got no complaints with Kaiser.
ZRX1200 Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,473
Jesus Kaiser is a PITA for vendors......puk those guys
delta1 Offline
#61 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,753
#59 Dammm.....so my rush to judgment in lauding the healthcare industry for becoming forward thinking is tossed aside into the dung heap...

On the other hand, kudos to the Labor Union...


I'm not totally a Kaiser fan...I had severe chondro-malacia and arthritis on both knees. Kaiser had a prescribed regimen of treatment that would postpone surgery until all less invasive procedures were exhausted, dooming me to about 10 years of pain. I spoke to someone who said the reason was the low quality of artificial knees they provided. They postpone surgery until a patient reaches 65, because the artificial knees were expected to last only 10 years and they don't want to do the procedure more than once. At Kaiser, you have to be a patient patient.

Went outside Kaiser using my PPO plan, (I'm covered under my wife's Kaiser plan) and the orthopedic surgeon looked at the MRI and recommended an immediate replacement. I've enjoyed 6 relatively knee-pain free years and have been able to resume most physical activities, except running and sports involving running, jumping and physical contact.
victor809 Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
Kaiser has made some great moves in information tech tho. You can get test results online easily, email your Dr instead of wasting the time to go in, reorder scripts online and have them delivered. I gotta give them credit on that.
delta1 Offline
#63 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,753
+1
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
They have some of the best health care delivery data out there.

Of course it's not as good as blogs and stuff
Abrignac Offline
#65 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,216
victor809 wrote:
Kaiser has made some great moves in information tech tho. You can get test results online easily, email your Dr instead of wasting the time to go in, reorder scripts online and have them delivered. I gotta give them credit on that.



I'm thinking that's the wave of the future. I've been able to get all of that for the last 3-4 years. It's nice to be able to get a med refill by scanning a bar code with my pharmacy app. Emailing my Dr is great. Been able to take care of all sorts of things, short of actual exams, without an actual appointment.
victor809 Offline
#66 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
I suspect it has the potential to save them a lot of money too. If a Dr can take care of a patient with 2 emails for something minor that frees them up to handle other issues. And being able to then review your own info later and see when you were last in... it's very well executed.
MACS Offline
#67 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,584
victor809 wrote:
Kaiser has made some great moves in information tech tho. You can get test results online easily, email your Dr instead of wasting the time to go in, reorder scripts online and have them delivered. I gotta give them credit on that.


Yup... had my blood drawn last week and the results the next day.
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