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I just got off the phone with customer service - shipping updates in comments
emma447 Offline
#1 Posted:
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I spoke with a very lovely lady there and she stated that they are back to as close to normal as possible with NEW orders being placed. The average turnaround time is 2-4 days for shipping out. She did not come right out and say it, but everything she said lead me down the path of they are giving new orders priority to keep things flowing and working their "hardest" on orders that were impacted by the "Great CB IT F-Up of 2017." They are also limiting what they put on the site to keep up she stated.

She stated that they are still, (take your blood pressure medication boys) anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks from catching up on orders dating back to February 10th. I asked a few probing questions and basically they did not bring in extra staff, its still just the two girls working in CS, and they have been pretty much told do the best you can with what you have.

It took a while to get through but they encouraged me to tell y'all to call and keep calling as eMails are not really getting responded to as they don't have the time to do them, especially the back and forth aspect. And remember there are only two ladies in CS, its not their fault.




I really was not able to get an answer as to when my stuff would get here, the order could be up next or it could be 3 weeks from now; so we opted to just cancel everything. So now I sit and wait 3 to 7 business days to get the money back on my card. Le sigh...guess that's the way the tobacco bunches today. So no sticks for me - but alas, life goes on.

So we have our updates on 03-08/2017 as of 1420 CST so now we all know what the scoop is and what options are so we can play nice in the sandbox again.


Toodles.



99cobra2881 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-19-2013
Posts: 2,472
Ya but what about my order I never placed and the cigars I never bid on, when am I gonna get those!?!?!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
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I don't know... we know this chick has lied before... no reason to believe her now...
cameroon Offline
#4 Posted:
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I heard as customer incentive if someone cancels their winning bid, the lot will go to the next lower bidder. Sweet!
elRopo Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 02-17-2014
Posts: 905
cameroon wrote:
I heard as customer incentive if someone cancels their winning bid, the lot will go to the next lower bidder. Sweet!

Under "normal" circumstances maybe. Now???Think
RobertHively Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 01-14-2015
Posts: 1,817
emma447 wrote:
I spoke with a very lovely lady there and she stated that they are back to as close to normal as possible with NEW orders being placed. The average turnaround time is 2-4 days for shipping out. She did not come right out and say it, but everything she said lead me down the path of they are giving new orders priority to keep things flowing and working their "hardest" on orders that were impacted by the "Great CB IT F-Up of 2017." They are also limiting what they put on the site to keep up she stated.

She stated that they are still, (take your blood pressure medication boys) anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks from catching up on orders dating back to February 10th. I asked a few probing questions and basically they did not bring in extra staff, its still just the two girls working in CS, and they have been pretty much told do the best you can with what you have.

It took a while to get through but they encouraged me to tell y'all to call and keep calling as eMails are not really getting responded to as they don't have the time to do them, especially the back and forth aspect. And remember there are only two ladies in CS, its not their fault.




I really was not able to get an answer as to when my stuff would get here, the order could be up next or it could be 3 weeks from now; so we opted to just cancel everything. So now I sit and wait 3 to 7 business days to get the money back on my card. Le sigh...guess that's the way the tobacco bunches today. So no sticks for me - but alas, life goes on.

So we have our updates on 03-08/2017 as of 1420 CST so now we all know what the scoop is and what options are so we can play nice in the sandbox again.


Toodles.





Thanks for the update.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#7 Posted:
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Posts: 1,291
emma447 wrote:
I spoke with a very lovely lady there and she stated that they are back to as close to normal as possible

Earlier today, the main page, cigarbid.com (not some sub-page of the site) kept bringing up what appeared to be a .NET error message.

So, yeah, when your site's main page is a big fat application server error message, you're certainly not normal yet.

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they did not bring in extra staff, its still just the two girls working in CS, and they have been pretty much told do the best you can with what you have.

Great management! Giant disaster that's tarnishing your brand and permanently losing you lots of customers daily, and you decide not to add extra manpower to fix the problem, rather you tell the small number of existing people "do the best you can with what you have".

Result: you save $X by not adding temporary extra manpower, and lose $10X in customer defections, many of them permanent.

Also, no simple message on the top of the site briefly explaining things to customers, which shows good faith, retains customers and costs basically ZERO money and time to do!

Brilliant!
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shaun341 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Posts: 8,826
I just got off the phone with Jamie's mom and it went goooood!!!!!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted:
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Posts: 55,394
RobertHively wrote:
Thanks for the update.




You're still not getting anything.
tonygraz Offline
#10 Posted:
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Posts: 20,231
When did they get down to only 2 in customer service ?
bgz Offline
#11 Posted:
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Hey puddin... stfu.

We don't like competition here.
RobertHively Offline
#12 Posted:
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Posts: 1,817
DrMaddVibe wrote:
You're still not getting anything.



Not until it gets back to normal
defk3000 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 01-30-2017
Posts: 20
Nobody is getting a shipment! I've placed new orders and still didn't get my stuff. Our orders will sit in limbo for another month.

For pain and suffering they need to compensate is with a free 5 pack and a bottle of whiskey! 🤣
elRopo Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 02-17-2014
Posts: 905
Prices are at an all time high

Its an AUCTION site

Limited # of items

Think about it, they're not hurting

You'll get your gars in time for summer

Life goes on

End of rant
jespear Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 03-19-2004
Posts: 9,464
Pudding Mittens wrote:
Earlier today, the main page, cigarbid.com (not some sub-page of the site) kept bringing up what appeared to be a .NET error message.

So, yeah, when your site's main page is a big fat application server error message, you're certainly not normal yet.


Great management! Giant disaster that's tarnishing your brand and permanently losing you lots of customers daily, and you decide not to add extra manpower to fix the problem, rather you tell the small number of existing people "do the best you can with what you have".
TYPICAL Management !

Result: you save $X by not adding temporary extra manpower, and lose $10X in customer defections, many of them permanent.
How THIS escapes the "powers that be" at CBid is the REAL "head scratcher".
BAD BUSINESS . . . plain and simple.


Also, no simple message on the top of the site briefly explaining things to customers, which shows good faith, retains customers and costs basically ZERO money and time to do!
Again, (see above reply), BAD BUSINESS !

Over the many years I've been here on CBid, CUSTOMER SERVICE has ALWAYS come through with flying colors.
I truly feel bad for the two CS agents who are catching most of the grief for this situation, when in fact, it's MANAGEMENT
who is truly to blame.



jes


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opelmanta1900 Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
defk3000 wrote:
Nobody is getting a shipment! I've placed new orders and still didn't get my stuff. Our orders will sit in limbo for another month.

For pain and suffering they need to compensate is with a free 5 pack and a bottle of whiskey! 🤣

liar and a fool...
RoosterCogburn Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 09-08-2015
Posts: 24
A little consumer notice brought to you by the Federal Trade Commission.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/business-guide-ftcs-mail-internet-or-telephone-order
defk3000 Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 01-30-2017
Posts: 20
You're an idiot opelmanta1900! I purchased some my father le bijou's on Feb 21. Haven't seen them. That's just one recent purchase you fool. I've even got more recent orders and older orders that haven't been sent.

So if my recent orders aren't filled my older orders will sit and wait for quite a while. There is only so much defending of them you can do before you sound like their little tool.


opelmanta1900,
Do they pay you to come to there defense?
Are they responsible for your livelihood?
You having sex with somebody that works there?


Otherwise opelmanta1900 stfu!
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#19 Posted:
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Posts: 3,677
Popcorn

Sipping tea
dgomberg Offline
#20 Posted:
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Posts: 132
^^^ this is what happens when everyone gets participation trophies....
RMAN4443 Offline
#21 Posted:
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Posts: 7,683
dgomberg wrote:
^^^ this is what happens when everyone gets participation trophies....

Damn, I didn't know we got trophys..........I never got a trophy........I want my trophy horse horse horse









opelmanta1900 Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
defk3000 wrote:
You're an idiot opelmanta1900! I purchased some my father le bijou's on Feb 21. Haven't seen them. That's just one recent purchase you fool. I've even got more recent orders and older orders that haven't been sent.

So if my recent orders aren't filled my older orders will sit and wait for quite a while. There is only so much defending of them you can do before you sound like their little tool.


opelmanta1900,
Do they pay you to come to there defense?
Are they responsible for your livelihood?
You having sex with somebody that works there?


Otherwise opelmanta1900 stfu!

I don't get it... you've been exposed as a liar, then exposed yourself as a fool, and now you come back and tell a bunch more lies???

stfu? as in st. felipé's university? No, I didn't graduate college... I didn't even know st. felipé had a university... I didn't even know felipé made sainthood! good on you felipé... good on you...
drpaoletta Offline
#23 Posted:
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Posts: 4
Look on the bright side - it's just cigars right? Not like it's your heart medicine people!

After @20 minutes on hold I finally got through and the nice person at CI cancelled the "stuck" order from early February and put the order in the "new system" (whatever) with expedited shipping.
- Despite the whole "not notifying me about the problem"- thing, they did what they could to fix my issue and my smokes are on the way.

I'll probably wait till they clear the backlog before making any more bids.

Life is too short right?

victor809 Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
Opel.. You missed the most important part of his statement...if you're having sex with someone who works there you don't have to STFU!

You can give him as much crap as you want and happily snuggle up with svenR at the end of the night knowing defk (Cameroon is gonna have fun with that) got exactly what he requested...
elRopo Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 02-17-2014
Posts: 905
drpaoletta wrote:
Look on the bright side - it's just cigars right? Not like it's your heart medicine people!

After @20 minutes on hold I finally got through and the nice person at CI cancelled the "stuck" order from early February and put the order in the "new system" (whatever) with expedited shipping.
- Despite the whole "not notifying me about the problem"- thing, they did what they could to fix my issue and my smokes are on the way.

I'll probably wait till they clear the backlog before making any more bids.

Life is too short right?


Are you trying to spoil our fun here?
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted:
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Posts: 23,866
For clarification... do we have to be having full on sex with the CI staff to be able to mock you? Or if we get occassional naked pics from them does that count? Im asking... er... for a friend.

And what if we send them pics of our junk? Or...someone else's junk?
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted:
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Do BJs count or are we going all Clinton here?
defk3000 Offline
#28 Posted:
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Posts: 20
The occassional nude photo of CI employee's is more than enough to justify running to their defence! 😁
dstieger Offline
#29 Posted:
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Posts: 10,889
I don't get it either....if he paid his father for LE BJ....why is he mad at cbid and opel?
dstieger Offline
#30 Posted:
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Return to forum without posting
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted:
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Glad for the clarification defk...
...now stop picking on this nice ladies at cbida
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted:
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Posts: 23,866
...especially trish!... for no particular... reason...
defk3000 Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 01-30-2017
Posts: 20
Because opel is full of crap and chimed in on something not concerning them. Calling me a liar and a fool. I might be a liar or I might be a fool but I am under no circumstances and at no time both! That's preposterous!
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 06-13-2001
Posts: 3,172
Pudding Mittens wrote:
Earlier today, the main page, cigarbid.com (not some sub-page of the site) kept bringing up what appeared to be a .NET error message.

So, yeah, when your site's main page is a big fat application server error message, you're certainly not normal yet.


Great management! Giant disaster that's tarnishing your brand and permanently losing you lots of customers daily, and you decide not to add extra manpower to fix the problem, rather you tell the small number of existing people "do the best you can with what you have".

Result: you save $X by not adding temporary extra manpower, and lose $10X in customer defections, many of them permanent.

Also, no simple message on the top of the site briefly explaining things to customers, which shows good faith, retains customers and costs basically ZERO money and time to do!

Brilliant!
.


I cannot apologize enough for the frustration everyone is experiencing. Trust me - you have one order that's making you crazy...we have thousands.

In the time it takes to train extra manpower on the vagaries of CigarBid, the new computer system and to find a seat for them - keep in mind that all 120 phone lines are constantly in use - the crisis is over. Its not really as simple as it appears. We DID hire temps for the warehouse but CS isn't just answering the phones and you immediately know how to handle the situation or how to resolve it in the new system.

Orders ARE shipping. Now is the time for digging out from under it all. Yesterday, we shipped about 6k more orders that we took in from the websites. At that pace, we should be dug out long before 2018....

Tarnishing our brand - yes it might do that and that is a chance we're taking right now.

We are doing all that we can. Its now 7:20 pm. I've been here since 6 am this morning, responding to emails, contacting customers about their issues, etc. We're busting ourselves to fix it. Its just that overwhelming. The executive level is out in the warehouse picking and packing boxes to get them shipped. Everyone is pitching in.

I've been told to do impossible sexual acts to myself over and over today. Yet here I am, responding to your message after 13 hours of verbal abuse. Doesn't that tell you something about the dedication of the staff?

So I will apologize again and again sincerely apologize for the extreme delays. If you used this site before, you know this isn't how we operate. We will get back to that level of service again.
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 06-13-2001
Posts: 3,172
defk3000 wrote:
The occassional nude photo of CI employee's is more than enough to justify running to their defence! 😁



OH GAWD!! NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT!!!!BARF!
corey sellers Offline
#36 Posted:
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Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

Thanks So Much For The Update Can I Get Some Matches


Just joking
corey sellers Offline
#37 Posted:
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I will send cupcakes if need be
ovid Offline
#38 Posted:
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Posts: 141
Ahh. Trish again. Trying her damnest to appease the angry mob and getting no thanks for it.
I think she deserves a (((Trish)))
As for the IT manager. Welll..... I've gone zen on this one
Can I get an OOOOOM
ovid Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2017
Posts: 141
Update to the update.
I received my $507.00 order today from
2/10. All items are present and accounted for and packed well (see even senior management can do something's right). And all cigars are in good condition
I have put them in my long term storage Tupperdor
For a nice long rest They deserve it after suffering such trauma
Pudding Mittens Offline
#40 Posted:
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Posts: 1,291
TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
In the time it takes to train extra manpower on the vagaries of CigarBid, the new computer system and to find a seat for them - keep in mind that all 120 phone lines are constantly in use - the crisis is over.

Yeah, the more I thought it over, the more I realized it might be a case of "takes too long to train to be practical". Those situations really suck. I've been in them. You have my sympathies!

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We DID hire temps for the warehouse

Yup, that part doesn't involve nearly as much training, so that makes sense.

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Tarnishing our brand - yes it might do that and that is a chance we're taking right now.

Communication helps with that. Customers will put up with a LOT more if the company tells them what's going on. So thanks for posting here and giving us some info!

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We are doing all that we can. Its now 7:20 pm. I've been here since 6 am this morning, responding to emails, contacting customers about their issues, etc. We're busting ourselves to fix it. Its just that overwhelming. The executive level is out in the warehouse picking and packing boxes to get them shipped. Everyone is pitching in.

It really sucks that the customer service folks pay the price for a system conversion gone wrong, something they had nothing to do with. Again, you have my sympathies.

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I've been told to do impossible sexual acts to myself over and over today. Yet here I am, responding to your message after 13 hours of verbal abuse.

What the hell is wrong with people? Seriously!

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So I will apologize again and again sincerely apologize for the extreme delays. If you used this site before, you know this isn't how we operate. We will get back to that level of service again.

Oh, I've been buying large quantities of stuff from the CI family of companies for many, many years. Never a single problem I can think of, which is REMARKABLE given the volume of product I've gotten. This is the first major problem I've seen.

I'm sure that once everything gets caught up, the whole fiasco will be carefully reviewed so that future system changes can be handled much better.

Best of luck in catching up, and thanks for all the effort!
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KingoftheCove Offline
#41 Posted:
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Posts: 7,631
defk3000 wrote:
Because opel is full of crap and chimed in on something not concerning them. Calling me a liar and a fool. I might be a liar or I might be a fool but I am under no circumstances and at no time both! That's preposterous!

That Opel dude is trouble..............and a liar.

I feel your pain man. Did you hear about the time THEY made fun of my car?
KingoftheCove Offline
#42 Posted:
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I think the great cbid melt down of 2017 will someday be a great Harvard Business School Case Study.
tonygraz Offline
#43 Posted:
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Posts: 20,231
KingoftheCove wrote:
...I feel your pain man. Did you hear about the time THEY made fun of my car?


I liked your car- they just made fun of it because it was different (and not a van).
midmofan Offline
#44 Posted:
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Posts: 1,108
KingoftheCove wrote:
I think the great cbid melt down of 2017 will someday be a great Harvard Business School Case Study.


Perhaps a Kookamunga Community College Business School Case Study! Some of the lessons were pretty obvious:

1. TEST TEST TEST before you switch over to a new system. TEST with people that have NOT been involved in creating the new system. Try to break the new system over and over before switching over. A long time ago I, just a regular customer, got to help test updates to the old PalmOS operating system on my Treo smartphone long before they went public, and that is what they wanted me (and lots of other of course) to do - use it like a normal person and let them know the issues.

2. Keep the old system available just in case. I am a subscriber to a internet (um, shall we say, "gaming????") website with thousands of users and they switched over to a new webpage and the whole thing crashed. By the next day they went back to the old system with a big "we are sorry" notice. 6 months later they put the new system back on with no problems (other than I hate the new graphics).

3. Avoid cross-dependent systems. From what I gather, its their whole operation that was messed up because everything is run by one interdependent system, from accounting, to inventory, to orders, to emails and more. This kind of thing often looks good on paper and is what some IT people like to sell to executives, but when one thing goes down, then the whole things goes down. This used to happen in a state I work with that had a large (formerly) interconnected health reporting system that when things went bad in one place, it screwed everything up. They have now "isolated" different key sections of the system so that, for example, if computerized birth reporting screws up, it doesn't shut down computerized death reporting. The IT people HATED it, but now it works.

4. Yes you CAN hire more people to answer phones. No, there is no way to train them to look up orders and solve problems, but they can take down people's information or even just tell them that there is nothing that can be done but wait. Study after case-study will tell you that what gets people the most upset is not being able to get a human on the phone. They can have a simple and honest script that explains they are a temp and that they can't solve the problem but they can tell you what the problem is from the script. Even bad news on the phone is better than nobody picking up the phone. I did this for several disaster operations that I assisted with. The calls to make in-kind donations (mostly people wanting to donate used socks and underwear....) were so overwhelming, we hired temp workers to answer the phone and take peoples name and number and that a representative would get back to them, but explained that it might take a while because of the call volume. They had a script that explained the situation and why certain items were not needed -- like winter coats in July.

5. Communicate! A big yellow highlighted banner at the top of the pages explaining what was going on would have solved a lot of the Customer Relations issues they are having. I get automated emails from cbid all the time, sending out one that explained the problem would have been a big help. I did get an email about the problem -- from another "cigar page" website -- explaining that "it's not us, we are open and have never had problems like that."

Note: None of this is Trish's or the CSR's fault! It was an IT screw-up of monumental proportions that nobody wanted to have happen and they are just dealing with the fallout. If you call, be nice. If it upsets you too much, start shopping elsewhere and send them a polite note telling them that this is why they lost your business. That kind of message REALLY gets the notice of the higher ups.

Oh yes, always ask for free matches....
Pudding Mittens Offline
#45 Posted:
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Posts: 1,291
midmofan wrote:
1. TEST TEST TEST before you switch over to a new system. TEST with people that have NOT been involved in creating the new system. Try to break the new system over and over before switching over. A long time ago I, just a regular customer, got to help test updates to the old PalmOS operating system on my Treo smartphone long before they went public, and that is what they wanted me (and lots of other of course) to do - use it like a normal person and let them know the issues.

Yup, testing at the dev, QA and UAT levels, with three different sets of people with three different roles. Standard procedure. At a BARE MINIMUM you do dev and UAT.

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2. Keep the old system available just in case. I am a subscriber to a internet (um, shall we say, "gaming????") website with thousands of users and they switched over to a new webpage and the whole thing crashed. By the next day they went back to the old system with a big "we are sorry" notice. 6 months later they put the new system back on with no problems (other than I hate the new graphics).

Yup, fail-back capability. Also usually standard procedure.

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3. Avoid cross-dependent systems.

I think their real problem was "the guys who designed this big system are all gone now, and they didn't leave detailed documentation behind". Terrible to let this happen, and they just found out why!

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4. Yes you CAN hire more people to answer phones. No, there is no way to train them to look up orders and solve problems, but they can take down people's information or even just tell them that there is nothing that can be done but wait. Study after case-study will tell you that what gets people the most upset is not being able to get a human on the phone. They can have a simple and honest script that explains they are a temp and that they can't solve the problem but they can tell you what the problem is from the script. Even bad news on the phone is better than nobody picking up the phone.

Absolutely. The temps can also act as triage, sending "I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR WEEKS AND I'VE HAD IT!" customers to a "real", trained CSR for investigation while NOT sending "Hey guys, my order's one day late, just wondering what's up!" customers to one, and just giving them an explanation instead.

Not only do you make customers much happier, but you also get a "filter layer" that makes your real, longtime CSRs much more effective and doesn't waste their time with calls they shouldn't be taking (in a crisis like this, anyway).

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5. Communicate! A big yellow highlighted banner at the top of the pages explaining what was going on would have solved a lot of the Customer Relations issues they are having.

Yeah, and it's essentially FREE to do, as I said above. Inexplicable why they wouldn't do this. I'd even put some humor in the wording, which often helps.

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Note: None of this is Trish's or the CSR's fault! It was an IT screw-up of monumental proportions

Yup, like I said above. The CSRs are getting screwed for the bad decisions and/or negligence of IT/management/execs (or whomever made the terrible decisions that led to this mess with no quick fail-back capability).
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cameroon Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 04-06-2014
Posts: 810
TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
OH GAWD!! NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT!!!!BARF!


TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
I've been told to do impossible sexual acts to myself over and over today.


How bout some pics of this ^ instead then?

Herfing
dstieger Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
what are you going to do with pictures of fools swearing at Trish?
cameroon Offline
#48 Posted:
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Posts: 810
dstieger wrote:
what are you going to do with pictures of fools swearing at Trish?


Heh not bad
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