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DrafterX Offline
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Office of Management and Budget director Mick Mulvaney delivered a tough message on Tuesday as he explained the cornerstone of the Trump administration’s budget blueprint for fiscal year 2018; ween capable, low income Americans off of welfare programs and put them back to work.


“We’re no longer going to measure compassion by the amount of money we spend, but by the number of people we help. That is how you can get 3 percent economic growth … Everything that we do in this administration, every single time I’m called into the Oval Office … the focus is sustained 3 percent economic growth,” Mulvaney said during a press conference Tuesday.

While the budget, which Mulvaney said should have been called the taxpayer first budget, aims to streamline agencies, trim bloat and eliminate waste, it has been criticized heavily for decreasing fiduciary support to popular social programs like food stamps and Medicaid. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) called the proposal a “cruel” reflection of President Donald Trump’s values.

“Families across America would suffer, with particularly harsh effects on rural communities,” Pelosi said in a statement.

Funding for food stamps, also known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), will be trimmed by $193 billion over the next decade. Cuts will also be made to climate science research and Medicaid spending will be slowed. While Mulvaney made it clear Medicaid spending would not be reduced on a year-over-year basis, funding will fall short of what the Congressional Budget Office estimates the government should pay.

The director also defended the decision to tighten the belt on some social programs by asking whether every recipient is qualified to receive the corresponding services. He said the administration will be taking steps toward making sure Americans aren’t exploiting programs, like food stamps or Social Security Disability Insurance, while assuring that the administration would not deny deserving people services.

“We have plenty of money in this country to take care of people who need help and we will do that,” he said.

For those who don’t need it, the government wants to create a pathway to employment.


Film at 11... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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I've been a supporter of welfare/work programs...but some working people are so poor, they qualify for govt assistance...When the GOP learns that a whole lot of hard-working Americans, many of whom voted for Trump, but at below poverty level wages will be hurt, I expect a re-calibration...

He isn't doing enough actual job creation...budget cuts and deregulation alone won't increase employment opportunities or wages...he should roll-out the infrastructure re-building plan that he spoke about while campaigning and during the first few days of his Presidency...
gummy jones Offline
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yea but its mean
think of the childruns
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"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question"
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
I've been a supporter of welfare/work programs...but some working people are so poor, they qualify for govt assistance...When the GOP learns that a whole lot of hard-working Americans, many of whom voted for Trump, but at below poverty level wages will be hurt, I expect a re-calibration...

He isn't doing enough actual job creation...budget cuts and deregulation alone won't increase employment opportunities or wages...he should roll-out the infrastructure re-building plan that he spoke about while campaigning and during the first few days of his Presidency...


True job creation isn't infrastructure. Too much of that is controlled by public unions. We're often better off putting those worthless loads onto welfare than to feed the beast.

Deregulation helps keep jobs here.
You're correct in that it's not enough. But it's a good start.

It's funny, in a morbid sort of way:
People complain that corporations move over seas. But when they try to set up shop here, they're taxed to death and caught in between EPA, OSHA, Workers Comp, insurance liabilities, employee healthcare, Workplace violence, Sexual harrassment, gender sensitivity. Hell, it's a wonder ANYONE runs a shop here.


Stinkdyr Offline
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As a wise man once said, End Welfare Breeding.

fog
bgz Offline
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I've known people to sell their food stamps for .50 to .75 on the dollar.

The vast majority of people I knew that got food stamps did this (I know this because back in the day I would buy them, lol).

I know they've made it difficult over the years to do this, but it can still be done.

Stop supporting you're local crack heads and enforce drug testing on welfare recipients.

I've been bashed by many liberals on my stance on this, but why should I have to fund crackhead's habits?

Also, I know there are plans out there that will pay crackheads to sterilize them, which I think is a wonderful idea.

Anyway, my point is, if you get rid of crackhead/heroin junky funding, that should cover the budget cuts
DrafterX Offline
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TW said someone was trying to sell him their meat outside a Walmart once... Mellow
bgz Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
TW said someone was trying to sell him their meat outside a Walmart once... Mellow


Well, did he buy it?
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Stinkdyr wrote:
As a wise man once said, End Welfare Breeding.

fog

thought you'd never get here!
MACS Offline
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tailgater wrote:
It's funny, in a morbid sort of way:
People complain that corporations move over seas. But when they try to set up shop here, they're taxed to death and caught in between EPA, OSHA, Workers Comp, insurance liabilities, employee healthcare, Workplace violence, Sexual harrassment, gender sensitivity. Hell, it's a wonder ANYONE runs a shop here.


Truer words have never been spoken. Well... technically, typed.
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[quote=DrafterX]Office of Management and Budget director Mick Mulvaney delivered a tough message on Tuesday as he explained the cornerstone of the Trump administration’s budget blueprint for fiscal year 2018; ween capable, low income Americans off of welfare programs and put them back to work.

Didn't ol slick Willy do this in the 90s?
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Our welfare system is insidious. It locks generations of families into it once they start on that slippery slope. Give a man a fish and he will eat a meal. Teach a man to fish and he will eat many meals. I don't have an answer, but I do think teaching people an employable skill is a starting point. Just saying less welfare is not the answer in and of itself.
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I never got my Obama-fishes damnit..!! Mad
gummy jones Offline
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bgz wrote:
I've known people to sell their food stamps for .50 to .75 on the dollar.



i know someone who buys them [hes an acquaintance at best]
he has multiple people who sell them to him for $0.50 on the dollar
EVERY MONTH!
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Speyside wrote:
Our welfare system is insidious. It locks generations of families into it once they start on that slippery slope. Give a man a fish and he will eat a meal. Teach a man to fish and he will eat many meals. I don't have an answer, but I do think teaching people an employable skill is a starting point. Just saying less welfare is not the answer in and of itself.


Eliminating the career recipient should take care of reducing welfare costs ... I'm in favor of providing welfare to the truly down and out on a temporary basis until he (she) can regain their footing ... it stabilizes society ... but it should not be a career path ...
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bgz wrote:

Stop supporting you're local crack heads and enforce drug testing on welfare recipients.


I'm all for this as long as every CEO & top executives who's company get federal dollars is also tested.

I've also not seen the administration's budget plan so I really can't comment on it in any great detail. The devil is in the details. fog
tailgater Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
I'm all for this as long as every CEO & top executives who's company get federal dollars is also tested.

fog


If the federal dollars go directly to the CEO's bank account then I would agree.
If the dollars go into the company to help it grow jobs and goods and services, then no.

Nobody is asking for poor people who benefit from government sponsored social services to be drug tested. Only those who receive direct financial assistance such as food stamps or welfare, etc.
The intent is to prevent paying for their drugs.
Your CEO comparison falls flat and reeks of anti-corporation sentiment. Other than that, it's spot on...


Buckwheat Offline
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Tail I think you're being a bit naive if you think that CEO's and top executive's compensation isn't directly tied to their company's bottom line. Which in the case of the bank and auto industry's bailout was improved by tax dollars.
DrafterX Offline
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two completely separate issues and you want to kill one because you don't like the other..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
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well let's drug test all the climate change scientists and universities receiving tax dollars too.... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
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Just to be clear I'm not in favor of testing anyone because I don't believe that we need any more government intrusions on our personal freedoms.

After doing a little research during lunch and some math. Approximately 52.2 million individuals receive some form of government assistance (source - https://tinyurl.com/jfc792r). It costs about $30 per person to test a person for illegal drugs (source - https://tinyurl.com/mztags4). So I'd not be in favor of adding another government program to oversee a potential $1.6 billion testing regiment.

Are there welfare cheats? Absolutely! I don't think the payoff of testing welfare recipients is worth the cost. Here is a more detailed investigation based upon the several states that have some form of drug testing welfare recipients. https://tinyurl.com/glb7wjh

I'm a fan of smaller government and keeping the government out of people's private lives. fog
tailgater Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
Tail I think you're being a bit naive if you think that CEO's and top executive's compensation isn't directly tied to their company's bottom line. Which in the case of the bank and auto industry's bailout was improved by tax dollars.


I am naive. But mostly in regards to the Tantra and how it can improve sexual proficiency.

As for CEO's, I fear you have fallen prey to Elizabeth Warren's hateful venom.
DrafterX Offline
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Prolly wouldn't have to. .. advertise it and cut off the ones that don't show.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
Just to be clear I'm not in favor of testing anyone because I don't believe that we need any more government intrusions on our personal freedoms.

After doing a little research during lunch and some math. Approximately 52.2 million individuals receive some form of government assistance (source - https://tinyurl.com/jfc792r). It costs about $30 per person to test a person for illegal drugs (source - https://tinyurl.com/mztags4). So I'd not be in favor of adding another government program to oversee a potential $1.6 billion testing regiment.

Are there welfare cheats? Absolutely! I don't think the payoff of testing welfare recipients is worth the cost. Here is a more detailed investigation based upon the several states that have some form of drug testing welfare recipients. https://tinyurl.com/glb7wjh

I'm a fan of smaller government and keeping the government out of people's private lives. fog


You mean a "smaller government" who supports drug users without question.

Private companies use drug testing all the time.
Why shouldn't government employees and welfare recipients be subject to the same screening process?
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I think anyone whom I am paying money to support should be subject to random drug testing. Just like the majority of WORKING Americans are.
DrafterX Offline
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Yep... anf their Mommas too.. Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
well let's drug test all the climate change scientists and universities receiving tax dollars too.... Mellow

is there a test for "high on life"?
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Yeah I am all for mandatory random drug testing of all government employees and employees of federally subsidized institutions. Let them sober up and maybe then it'll give them enough sense to realise that socialism isn't a good idea...
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^ so you are for creating another yuge government program (which a drug testing program of that scope would be). effin big government liberals
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Temporarily until the libs are ran out the country
teedubbya Offline
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I think you are one of them.. you and your big government programs (when they suit you Herfing ) By the way I am cool with the drug testing... it will just take lots of resources if we do it right though we can pay for it by raising taxes... or better yet pretend it's a money saver
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pretty sure the gubment employees are subjected to random tests already... Mellow
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If the government starts mandatory drug testing, I'm gonna get rich investing in one of the LITERALLY THOUSANDS of ways to beat a stupid drug test...

anyone in favor of a drug testing program for welfare recipients doesn't really have an issue with welfare, because clearly they don't have a problem with wasteful government spending... in truth they probably have an issue with poor people... probably specifically black poor people...
tailgater Offline
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Only 34 posts until some idiot makes this about race.

Over/under was 40.
Next time I take the under.

opelmanta1900 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
pretty sure the gubment employees are subjected to random tests already... Mellow

The term government employees covers far more people than you are considering... sure, people in the military are subject to random drug testing.... USDA employees? Not a chance... and even government employees who are "subject to random dt's" probably never get tested, unless it's related to something they've screwed up on the job - which incidentally could probably get them fired even without a positive dt result...
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tailgater wrote:
Only 34 posts until some idiot makes this about race.

Over/under was 40.
Next time I take the under.


So you are good with ISIS, got it.
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
pretty sure the gubment employees are subjected to random tests already... Mellow



nope
teedubbya Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
So you are good with ISIS, got it.



Tail loves ISIS I heard
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tailgater wrote:
You mean a "smaller government" who supports drug users without question.

Private companies use drug testing all the time.
Why shouldn't government employees and welfare recipients be subject to the same screening process?


Being a Libertarian I do support a nation wide legalization of certain recreational drugs. Specifically, Marijuana. Herfing
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tailgater wrote:
Only 34 posts until some idiot makes this about race.

Over/under was 40.
Next time I take the under.


To be clear, what i made about race was the morons advocating for charging people $20 (The cost of a bottle of synthetic urine) to collect their food stamps.... and I'm not really the one who made it about race, just the one who pointed it out....

But your stance does make sense given your new alignment with daesh... they too cling to moronically archaic forms of interference in the personal lives of the people they long to control...
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teedubbya wrote:
I smoke opium all the time and no one's ever checked my pee

Crazy...
teedubbya Offline
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Smoke is bad for you and so 1990... suppository baybee
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tailgater wrote:
Only 34 posts until some idiot makes this about race.

Over/under was 40.
Next time I take the under.



shoulda coulda woulda
now you owe hank a fiver
opelmanta1900 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Smoke is bad for you and so 1990... suppository baybee

I've heard that about champagne, for people who like the buzz not the taste.... if you shook it to hard ahead of time should you throw up fizz? Do your burps ever taste like heroin?
teedubbya Offline
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No but if you tape the suppository to the cork prior to opening the bottle you can get it wayyyy up there
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Smarter than a Roman candle i guess...
teedubbya Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Smarter than a Roman candle i guess...



is that like a Pittsburgh pancake with fire?
opelmanta1900 Offline
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More like a Philadelphia pork jowl with some heat behind it...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
More like a Philadelphia pork jowl with some heat behind it...


ahhhh the drafterx in other words
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