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Mississippi edumaction....
opelmanta1900 Offline
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/24/us/mississippi-schools-lawsuit-southern-poverty-law/

I won't post the whole story... basically, poor black children in Mississippi receive the worst education in the nation by nearly all accounts... white kids in the sip aren't much better off...

The above suit alleges a lack of books, teachers, toilet paper, working toilets, edible food, and a whole lot of other things at poor, predominately black schools in the sip...

My thought is this: why the $#%@ is anyone against school vouchers? If every parents has $15k per child to spend on nothing but school, then anyone who cares about these disadvantaged kids Could open a school in these poor neighborhoods and provide them with as quality an education as just about anywhere in the US...

I've probably just made an overly simplistic argument that can be easily defeated, so by all means, someone please tell me why I'm wrong...
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Simple economics. If every family received $15, 000 in vouchers the market would adjust to an even more inflated rate and the cost of goods would skyrocket.
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But they gots good water tho right..?? Huh
jjanecka Offline
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Dey can drank frum dee see. Dat wadda is gud but sawlty.
teedubbya Offline
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There could be a Trump U in every city!
DrafterX Offline
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If they're getting 15K and choose not to spend 5 bucks on water it's their own fault... Not talking
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teedubbya wrote:
There could be a Trump U in every city!

Ya, that's essentially what we have.... Moron factories... they're called public schools....
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Ya, that's essentially what we have.... Moron factories... they're called public schools....



In a lot of areas. In my area for example the KCMO district is terrible (the state took it over for awhile) however most of the school districts in the area are very good to excellent.
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Well what i meant by comparing public schools to trump university is, a bunch of people have realized there's good money in undereducating... trump knows it, hence trump u... and some folks down Mississippi way seem to have figured it out too, hence sh*tty schools for black kids where the toilets don't flush, the food can't be eaten, and the text books recommend confederate solidarity in these uncertain times....
DrafterX Offline
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well, they are removing all the cool statues and stuff... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Well what i meant by comparing public schools to trump university is, a bunch of people have realized there's good money in undereducating... trump knows it, hence trump u... and some folks down Mississippi way seem to have figured it out too, hence sh*tty schools for black kids where the toilets don't flush, the food can't be eaten, and the text books recommend confederate solidarity in these uncertain times....



I got you. That was sort of my point too.... when a hail storm comes and insurance money starts to flow I always see lots of out of state plates and sub standard roofs being built.... but that's the home owners fault. I guess you could say the same for education but you really only get one shot and it's not the kids fault.
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Ya good point... i rarely try to be an optimist, but i guess i just hope if school choice becomes a reality, then people who actually care about educating will finally get a crack at forming schools that provide solid education to kids who wouldn't otherwise have it because of money limitation...

But ya, it makes sense that the exact opposite type of person would also get a crack at providing a much sh*ttier education... but it seems like right now, these people already have a monopoly on the educational system in places like the sip... a voucher program would allow parents to tell those people to f*ck off, were gonna send our kids somewhere else....
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well, the world needs ditch diggers too.... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Why? You get a lot of use out of the ones we already have?
DrafterX Offline
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I do need one soon... gotta replace my french drains and stuff... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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1 out of 4 dollars reach the classroom in Oregon.

They're from the government, and they're here to help.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
1 out of 4 dollars reach the classroom in Oregon.

They're from the government, and they're here to help.

Does that include teacher salary, do you know? Either way, insane...
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DrafterX wrote:
I do need one soon... gotta replace my french drains and stuff... Mellow

Well if you can sleep at night, i guess we can let you keep one poor kid from Mississippi undereducated so that you can have your French drains redid...
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They need done pretty bad... Think
teedubbya Offline
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eff the french. merica
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What if they just used the 15k to buy books, and toilet paper, nutritious food, and hire quality teachers? They aren't building schools (usually charter schools) these days bc people "care".

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Surely the education unions will help.






























........................................Sarcasm
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Alabama is like the French Riviera to the 'Sippians!
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What really pisses me off is the damn Lottery.. it was suppose to contribute like 70% of the funds into education when we voted on it... now I think they barely contribute 30%. If that..!! Mad
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Alabama is like the French Riviera to the 'Sippians!




Shame on you , that is a secret.
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DrafterX wrote:
What really pisses me off is the damn Lottery.. it was suppose to contribute like 70% of the funds into education when we voted on it... now I think they barely contribute 30%. If that..!! Mad

Beats the scam they have going in California... they say a large portion of Lottery proceeds are contributed to the educational system, but what actually happens is when X amount of dollars of Lottery money come into the schools, X amount of state money is withdrawn... the school doesn't benefit, state politicians do...
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Poor X
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it's kind of a wash. if they serve horrible food, no one eats it...no need to buy toilet paper.

I'm like a born-again Conservative!!! I'm rich!

Momma, stop choppin' wood, cuz Daddy's coming home wif a load tonight
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Not much industry growth here in da swamp. You have your well-to-do cities like any other states. You also have struggling small towns that commerce pulled out of years ago... Just like other states. With low taxes and property values, there isn't much need for high paying jobs. Mississippi has a struggle getting doctors to practice in the state for this very reason. It's a reflection of today's economy. They just felt like poking Mississippi today.

With all the bears, hawgs, gators, Cougars, and venomous snakes in all flavors, The politicians ain't the only predators round' here.



And we do have durn good water.


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Well now....

GUESS WHAT....

YOUR BUD-DAYYYYY

CHEETO TRUMPEDO JUST TOOK AWAY^^^ THEY're
Poor parents MEDICAID AND FOOD STAMPS

A
N
D

IS GIVING THAT MONEY TO THE COPS AND
THE MILITARY BUDGETS.....

THE CHEETO WANTS ALL ABLE BODIED MEDICAID AND FOODSTAMP PEOPLE TO WORK AT ALL
THE NEW JOBS HE's creating...
(****...any open job for POOR people pays minimum wage with no health INSURANCE..take a look in the want ads...)

Trump: "I'M CREATING SOOOOOO MANY NEW JOBS"
Which is total BULLSHIIT...

HE HASN'T CREATED ONE FREAKIN' job...
Except for SPECIAL PROSECUTORS AND CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS STAFF PEOPLE ROOTING THROUGH FILES IN BASEMENTS
( like on "BETTER CALL SAUL")

TRUMP IS *****ING THE POOR MEN , WOMEN,
AND CHILLIN' up the AZZ and GIVING more money to FELON CRIMINAL MURDERERS THAT WORK FOR THE FBI-SSG DIVISION...
WHAT A CROCK OF SHIIT...

ALL those coal miners, rust belt laid-off factory workers ARE GEETING *****ED IN THE AZZ,
WHILE THE SECRET SERVICE spends millions $$$$$ FOLLOWing TWEEDLE DEE AND TWEEDLE DUM AROUND THE GLOBE because they are TRUMPS ADULT SPAWN???
Hire their own security and pay for it themselves like they did before daddy got elected...

TRUMP WILL BANKRUPT AMERICA WITH JUST HIS
SECURITY DETAIL EXPENSES....

HE doesn't care if POOR people have health care or food...HE COULD GIVE A RATS AZZ ABOUT THEM,
HE keeps playing this COP AND SOLDIER
PLOY LIKE A BROKEN RECORD TO GAIN POINTS IN THE POLLS...
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After swapping a few texts with Frank, I decided to pop in.

Just to clear the air....

It's the poor democratic communities that are against the charter school idea.
These schools, in the article, that are poor is no fault of the government. See a school receives money based on attendance. If parents don't make kids attend, the school district doesn't get that money.
So it's the parents that allow kids to skip or drop out that are the root cause.
My son attends a nice public school. The school begs me to get a dr excuse if he's absent. That way the missed day is excused and doesn't cost funds.

Also it's the democrats that are fighting against charter schools. They don't want that money to leave.

So know the facts before pointing a finger.
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Sorry. Enjoying some wine. I made a statement twice in there.

Oh well

It was worth repeating.
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For the most part, schools are controlled by the teacher's unions who overwhelmingly support Democratic candidates. Is it any wonder why Democrats are against anything that would reduce their power? Yet, they blame Republicans for ruining schools and people actually believe what they say.
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Mattie B wrote:
Sorry. Enjoying some wine. I made a statement twice in there.

Oh well

It was worth repeating.

I blame me for even liking you.
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Mattie B wrote:
So know the facts before pointing a finger.



But it is so easy to be a crusader from afar.


abjd14 Offline
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These rich powerful teachers are ruining our country.
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So how do you fix the problem Mattie? What you say may all be true, but a problem still exists.
Mattie B Offline
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You can't regulate parents to care/invest is their children.

My solution would be charter schools. If kids don't perform or attend, kick them out to the public school system.
Our district has what they call the alternative school. This is a campus for those with disciplinary issues They get the attention they need and remove them from those who are willing to act right.

Kids need to learn there are consequences for action, or rewards. I think that lesson has been lost.

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MATTIE B!
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I think the lesson was lost by rewarding everyone.... Mellow
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Even though it seems counter intuitive the poor students need to be rewarded for becoming good students. Just kicking them out doesn't solve the problem. It continues a vicious cycle.
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The problem is public schools but if kids don't perform in the charter schools u want to kick them out back to the public schools. That will create a bigger problem. (This is actually happening already in great numbers)

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Why can't we hold parents accountable for their children's education? Parents should be the primary pillar of their education.
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the thing about schools in general, especially high schools, they're not a place for smart people to be, right? there's not a single subject I was taught in high school over the course of 4 years that I can't learn more about in 2 weeks watching youtube videos... the way of educating young people in this country is archaic and outdated at best...
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Social skills. .. otherwise they'd just hang out on da internets all day like idiots. .. Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
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that does seem to be the argument against homeschooling... it's weird because homeschooled kids I've met (aside from the ultra religious crazies) seem to be very well adjusted... they attend youth groups, they play sports, many of them work small part time jobs, they're more likely to attend college, more likely to get good paying jobs, less likely to be involved in gangs, drugs, domestic violence, teen pregnancy... but I guess all those things don't transate into the real world if you don't have 1000 instagram posts and 50,000 twitter followers... #socialskills...
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The odd girl out on my daughters softball team was home schooled. She was very socially awkward and an outcast. She would get upset at the other girls for "chanting" when they were doing the typical cheers etc. She ended up leaving the team. That's just anecdotal and a denominator of 1 but in here that's good enough.
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Did they beat her up and stuff. .?? Huh
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teedubbya wrote:
The odd girl out on my daughters softball team was home schooled. She was very socially awkward and an outcast. She would get upset at the other girls for "chanting" when they were doing the typical cheers etc. She ended up leaving the team. That's just anecdotal and a denominator of 1 but in here that's good enough.

There are definitely those types, both in home schools and public/private schools... a greater percentage in homeschool kids? I don't think so but that's just a hunch... i knew some really weird kids in highschool...
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They sheltered her from the rest of the world. The "chanting" was the work of the devil.
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