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Saints and sinners out there?
patrickh44231 Offline
#1 Posted:
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If nobody has a spoken for referal to use. I would like to please sign up. Send me a pm. I know if you respond youll probably get flooded with tagalongs. Ive gone to multiple tat events and love the company and the direction it's heading and would love to help. I know the membership signup and referal is within a couple days so please consider it.
Thanks,
Patrick h. Harmon
[email protected]
shaun341 Offline
#2 Posted:
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I did it for a year and thought it was ok but not worth the coin. All the deals and early notice on the monsters hit the social media spots first now and the one offs are done so there is little to no benefit of being a member anymore. Herf was cool though that they threw!

Oh and another thing, if you want to get Petemas or any of those offerings you have to be online all day every day while they are offering it or you will not get it. I had no chance at scoring a bundle of the Le Vignoble because I work during the day and can't be on the internet while working and Petemas basically same way.
kombat96 Offline
#3 Posted:
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What's this saints and sinners?
patrickh44231 Offline
#4 Posted:
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They're getting into specialty wine and bourbon now too
patrickh44231 Offline
#5 Posted:
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I still think it's worth it. Basically a box and some swag that's nice. And some other perky things. And first dibs at loot.
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted:
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I'd spend the money on perky tits.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#7 Posted:
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Ooooh, pick me! Pick me! Pick me!
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Where do I stick the quarter in...
reckless Offline
#9 Posted:
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shaun341 wrote:
I did it for a year and thought it was ok but not worth the coin. All the deals and early notice on the monsters hit the social media spots first now and the one offs are done so there is little to no benefit of being a member anymore. Herf was cool though that they threw!

Oh and another thing, if you want to get Petemas or any of those offerings you have to be online all day every day while they are offering it or you will not get it. I had no chance at scoring a bundle of the Le Vignoble because I work during the day and can't be on the internet while working and Petemas basically same way.


Slacker... I got extras of the aforementioned, you low?
shaun341 Offline
#10 Posted:
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patrickh44231 wrote:
They're getting into specialty wine and bourbon now too


The wine is around $150 after shipping for the cheapest bottle. I just went through one of the 2012 Encre. While good the price was not justified but I used it as a special occasion so that smoothed it over in my head. The bourbon is just barrel selected, which just about every major liquor store does now and puts an up charge on it because they selected it.


If you want the swag and cigars from the membership then yeah maybe $150 is worth it for you but if your looking for perks of being a member it's a waste of money. For me personally it was a waste because I wanted the perks and social media ruined that for members.


patrickh44231 Offline
#11 Posted:
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That makes sense. Yes that is pretty pricey wow. I think the membership kit is worth it alone. I like the brand so I think it's something worth adventuring into.
bgz Offline
#12 Posted:
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I might be in the minority, but of the special release tats I've had, didn't think they were much different/better than their standard lines.

I think the special bands make people think there's truly something special about the cigar, but I have my doubts.

I guess in my mind that makes them equivalent to their expensive wine, or expensive special select whisky.

IMO, almost all their broadleaf cigars more or less taste the same... also IMO almost all Nicaraguan broadleaf cigars more or less taste the same.
kombat96 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Didn't you pimp me out for the Le vignobles over the pork chop at an event you didn't even know about?
bgz Offline
#14 Posted:
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kombat96 wrote:
Didn't you pimp me out for the Le vignobles over the pork chop at an event you didn't even know about?


No, I tried to get your pork tenderloins bro, they only let me pick one thing, they ran out of tenderloins before I got up there.

I gave away more of the Vignobles than I smoked, only have a few left. If you want one hook me up with your address, I know it changed :P

IMO, the vignobles aren't all that special.
bgz Offline
#15 Posted:
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Ya, was just thinking about that event....

I think that kind of left a sour taste in my mouth for tats.

First thing:

I had sh1t to do that day and they showed up 2.5 hours late.

They made you buy a 5er of regular production cigars before they even got there to put you on the list to buy cigars off the bus.

Then when they finally did get there, they only let you pick one thing, and the one thing it seems everyone was there for, they only sold like 3 bundles of them.

They kind of pissed me off.
reckless Offline
#16 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
No, I tried to get your pork tenderloins bro, they only let me pick one thing, they ran out of tenderloins before I got up there.

I gave away more of the Vignobles than I smoked, only have a few left. If you want one hook me up with your address, I know it changed :P

IMO, the vignobles aren't all that special.


Thats cause youre a noop and bought the second release.. First release were tiiiitays!!

As for other special releases were equivalent to normal release... the PC and PT were great, Noellas and Regios, the TAA line... yea you smoking something just not LE Tatuaje Not talking
bgz Offline
#17 Posted:
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All good dude, I get it, you're all up on Pete Johnson's D.

My pallet probably just isn't as refined as yous though, all the tat broadleaf cigars taste the same to me... I do like them mind you, but IMO with such a dominating wrapper, the filler doesn't really make a whole lot of difference.

(That's the ones people tend to rave about most).
reckless Offline
#18 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
All good dude, I get it, you're all up on Pete Johnson's D.

My pallet probably just isn't as refined as yous though, all the tat broadleaf cigars taste the same to me... I do like them mind you, but IMO with such a dominating wrapper, the filler doesn't really make a whole lot of difference.

(That's the ones people tend to rave about most).


My Father CBL is unlike any CBL on the market and its not about being on his D as its his blending ability to take the same leaves and with subtle changes completely change the cigar. I can agree they arent all home runs but 75% could be considered so.

As for my pallet not sure what to say there but if you sit down and smoke a TAA 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 (same blends pretty much with CBL wrapper) and tell me they all taste the same then yea idk... if you like RP edge then thats what you smoke bud Herfing
bgz Offline
#19 Posted:
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Well, I've had quite a few of the TAAs, good? Yes, better than Cojonu 2012 Reserva? Not IMO.

I actually prefer the Oliva MB3s over tats, not because they're cheap, but because I think they're better and they hold up for me better during a golf round.

Olivas tend to hold up better during golf than all tats, that's not my opinion, that's a fact.

I have a TAA11 waiting that I've been sitting on for a while, I'll smoke it tonight or tomorrow and see if it changes my mind.

The 2014, 2015 and 2016 didn't, I don't really expect the 2011 to either.

I have a legendary CQ1 ... but I'm actually looking forward to that one, as I really like Ecuador Sumatra wrappers, kind of hesitant to smoke it cause I know I'll probably never see another one.

I think both Oliva and LFD make a better broadleaf than Pepin... but from my understanding, broadleaf is more Johnson's thing than Pepin's thing.

One thing about those 2 companies though, is they're not constantly beta testing new blends on the public, so that's probably why my opinion is what it is.

Again, ever since that event though, I've been hyper-critical of anything tatuaje.
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted:
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Beta testing makes the target audience feel a sense of ownership that can't be overlooked. They're directly producing to the market demand......

Between Pete and DPG both I don't see a lot of failure to blend.....so there's that.

Reckless, I'll take all those vigs bro
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted:
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bgz, I would say that the Tatuaje fan boys are redlining into DE fan boy levels....

i.e. Wombat
kombat96 Offline
#22 Posted:
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Go bears.
reckless Offline
#23 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:

BGZ, I'll take all those vigs bro


Fixed
bgz Offline
#24 Posted:
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I don't know man, not a big fan of paying to beta test other people's stuff.

Probably why I don't buy viajes :D

Ya z, fanboys for the same reason as the JD fanboys, they just want PJs/JDs D.
bgz Offline
#25 Posted:
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reckless wrote:
Fixed


You're the one that said you bought extra to share, I was only allowed to buy 1... guess my membership level is trash.
reckless Offline
#26 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
You're the one that said you bought extra to share, I was only allowed to buy 1... guess my membership level is trash.

You offered your leftovers to wombat so that opens it up to the public
bgz Offline
#27 Posted:
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reckless wrote:
You offered your leftovers to wombat so that opens it up to the public


Well, like wombat said, the only reason why I was there was because of his dink a$$.
reckless Offline
#28 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Well, like wombat said, the only reason why I was there was because of his dink a$$.

So why didnt you get him what he asked for? Not fanboy enough obviously Shame on you
bgz Offline
#29 Posted:
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reckless wrote:
So why didnt you get him what he asked for? Not fanboy enough obviously Shame on you


LOL, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it :P

Scroll up Sherlock.
kombat96 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
bgz, I would say that the Tatuaje fan boys are redlining into DE fan boy levels....

i.e. Wombat



Call me what you will. I'm sure your a fanboy as well of some company. I'll leave the rocky patels and perdomos to you.
ZRX1200 Offline
#31 Posted:
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I don't smoke RPs.

And I do smoke Tatuajes.
bgz Offline
#32 Posted:
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k, tat taa 2011 about to get smoked.
robertsccr5 Offline
#33 Posted:
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Every year there is plenty Petemas to go around. The last few days they stay in stock for at least an hour if not more. I've never had a problem getting Petemas, just gotta wait out the horde. Also, I've even been able to purchase extras when at the end of the sale there are leftover packs and they're offered up to anyone else even if you already got some.
bgz Offline
#34 Posted:
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tat 7th reserva about to get smoked.
bgz Offline
#35 Posted:
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Alright, had to do the test (curiosity and stuff).

First off, just as expected, both were excellent smokes, and I probably drank a little too much in the process.

Win win right? Go SCIENCE!!!!

Anyway, both started out pretty much the same, strong peppery blasts as expected from a good broadleaf smoke.

Going into the second third though, the taa really shined. It gained a lot of character, not sure if it was do to being a taa or that it had several more years on it, but in any case, the middle of the the taa 11 was very good, no denying it.

Second third of the 7th reserva, was really good, but was no where on the level of the taa.

Going into the last third though, the 7th held strong and was better till the end where the taa started dropping off towards the end.

In any case, that second third of the taa was really good, so IMO that made it the better smoke over all, where the 7th was more a one trick pony, but it was a real good trick.

Both good smokes, glad I was able to perform this experiment, and ... I concede, the taa was better.
patrickh44231 Offline
#36 Posted:
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Good discussion guys.

I agree with the taa comparison. I think the belle encre and avion 12 are up there as well though as just generally good smokes.

The 7th is fantastic but I also think conjuno 03 is up there.

Pork chops get super tasty with age.

I also think their rc line is worth mentioning. 184 is fantastic I think. The larger one gets too one noted. For the length of time to smoke it.

Also the cabiguan. The only line of theirs that that blend hasn't changed one bit ever. The guapas and maduro rx are great.

Yeah I like tat as you can tell. But I'm not a fanboy where I think their the top of the field.

I don't think oliva makes better broadleaf btw.

lfd has fantastic ones but they can be very hit or miss imo. I think tats are blended much better than lfd. Bit that's just my pallet. And I've smoked just about every lfd out there but the taa2017 that's in the mail atm.

Like I said damn good but not better. Yes they are way cheaper but I'm not comparing that and I think the cost of smokes is a whole different topic to its own when using it to judge "better"

I was just starting this thread to see of anybody was willing to sponsor me perhaps. I guess we'll see tomorrow sometime.

Thanks guys
bgz Offline
#37 Posted:
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Sounds like you're a huge broadleaf fan... me, I like a good broadleaf, but I'll generally take a good natural or good SG over a broadleaf the majority of the time.

I smoked an MB3 last night to compare (wasn't even one of my good ones), IMO, it was on par with the 7th (I actually liked the profile of the MB3 better, but that's just me).

I can tell you, that I've had far less problems with MB3s (and Olivas in general) falling apart than tatuajes/pepins at the golf course... which may not be proof, but plenty of anecdotal evidence that Oliva's construction is better than Pepin's.

All this said, I'm not an Oliva fan boy, lol (For the record, I do enjoy smoking tatuajes... as stated in my review above)

My personal ranking of MFGs (almost everything I have falls under one of these MFGs)

Padron
Fuente
LFD
Habanos SA
Oliva
Pepin
Davidoff (if price wasn't an issue, this would be moved up my list considerably).
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The rest of them are down here on my list somewhere... Not interested in trying the blend of the week every other week... Very little of my stock falls in this category.

Like I said, I know I'm in the minority, but I don't GAF.


ALAS... the ultimate point of my ranting...

I didn't like waiting 3.5 hours (got there an hour early) for a bus to show up and not be allowed to buy what I wanted. Ever since that day, my opinion has been, they can take their L.E.s and shove em up their ass.

:)
patrickh44231 Offline
#38 Posted:
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Yeah that would rub me wrong too. The whole exclusivness chaps my ass too when I know there's a lot of people who won't reup people to just sell the stuff secondary. But there's nothing we can do about that other than not pay for it. I'm probably go...

Tat/pepin
Oliva/cain/nub
LFD
Lp (pre 11)
Perdomo
Cao (pre 11)
La aurora
Af (woam)
Padron
Cc

Perdomo and pre 11 groups are phasing out into patron and cc. Been trying the newer stuff And liking it too. Caldwell. Ago. Illusion. Regios cle. Ect. Ect.
And I do agree mb3 definitely hold up better. I don't smoke while golfing normally. Need to get one of those clip things some day. I think the conjonu series definitely are more rugged than the TAA. That's why I stay away from naturals most of the time I feel like they skiff and tear on things. Damn camaroons and sunnies. They can be tasty though when you don't have to fight a dozen pinholes that make it run like thundergerbal getting chased by a gator.
patrickh44231 Offline
#39 Posted:
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Those rankings were quantity medium based too btw.
patrickh44231 Offline
#40 Posted:
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Just an fyi. I got in! Suck it trabeck.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#41 Posted:
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bgz wrote:


Olivas tend to hold up better during golf than all tats, that's not my opinion, that's a fact.



what kinda monkey-homo grab-assin' shenanigans are you up to out there on the course that your cigars "fall apart" on you?
shaun341 Offline
#42 Posted:
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I will say Pete Johnson and his disregard to the failures his team has had with the Saints and Sinners signups last year and membership sign up this year shows he lacks compassion for his fans which is not a good look for him. See him making lite of the situation not running properly again this year all over social media and the people that see that are the same ones he is stuffing his pocket from. Really thinking Pete is a bigger dbag than I could imagine, reaching J Drew territory really fast(rock star wannabe diva of the cigar industry).
cameroon Offline
#43 Posted:
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shaun341 wrote:
I will say Pete Johnson and his disregard to the failures his team has had with the Saints and Sinners signups last year and membership sign up this year shows he lacks compassion for his fans which is not a good look for him. See him making lite of the situation not running properly again this year all over social media and the people that see that are the same ones he is stuffing his pocket from. Really thinking Pete is a bigger dbag than I could imagine, reaching J Drew territory really fast(rock star wannabe diva of the cigar industry).


Could you provide more details, and possibly some links to some examples (if possible)? I'd like to observe his jerkishness first hand but the googles aren't providing any gold
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