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teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted:
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I heard about it..... and cared about it.... and I'm sure it was a pretty good part of her reason for losing.... rightfully so
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted:
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Kaisich..... we chose trump over him

"Well, I think, really, about everything that needed to be said has been said tonight about Republicans not hiding, Democrats not exploiting this whole situation, that we need to get to the bottom of it, we get to the bottom of it.

If you take health care, for example, I believe it is possible to fashion a reform of Obamacare with Republicans and Democrats working together. I think that nothing major gets done in this country -- I don't think, I know that nothing major gets done in this country unless both parties work together on it. You pass Obamacare with no Republicans, it's not stable. You pass a Republican plan without Democrats, it's not stable.

And so it is critical, once we get through this -- and maybe this is a great opportunity for us to put aside too much partisanship. We're going to be conservatives and liberals. Put it aside and figure out how to cast that and work together to solve some of these very big problems.

I would also say something to the people that are watching this show. Please settle down. Don't dislike or hate somebody that doesn't agree with you. Love your neighbor as you want your neighbor to love you. This is so important in this country. And somehow we're treating each other -- and not just in politics.

If you're on United Airlines and they yank you off the plane, or you're Wells Fargo and you file phony accounts, or you're Epi-pen and you jack up prices, I mean, is that the way you want to be treated? So start thinking about other people a little bit and we'll all have a better life and we'll all be more unified.

And I've enjoyed being with Senator Sanders tonight. We used to be in the House together. He testified before the Budget Committee. There's an old tape of it. And we both looked a heck of a lot better 20 years ago. So, thank you for having us here tonight, and I hope it did some good for America. "
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
He was fired right..?? Huh

But he was appointed even after the Trump admin was told about it. One concern was he would be open to blackmail by the Russians. They forced him out because it all became known!

They have since discussed rehiring him.

Once again, I am not talking about election shenanigans, my biggest fears are with Russian's influencing our policy makers.
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#54 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
its not threatening

its just funny that no one cared about the queen of the clinton money laundering foundation potentially being influenced by foreign powers - heck didnt even hear a peep

but now it is 24/7 and the world is ending

she's not now nor was then President. The level of concern existed in proportion.

and the way the story is told here, I'm certain many actually believe she sold physical uranium owned by the US to Russia. Very few actually understand the transaction, the players, and the process of the approval sign-off.
tailgater Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Alegedly they tried to influence our presidential election. But you already knew that. Unfortunately it does not fit your agenda.


Be more specific.

Somebody hacked the DNC and released damning emails.

Why are we chasing the hacker? Because if those emails were on the up and up then this wouldn't be an issue.

The Russians (if it were them) didn't create voter fraud. This is only a big deal because of what was on those emails. Which had nothing to do with the hacker (presumably Russia).

But now we're hearing that certain Trump aids "had contact" with Russian officials. And this is somehow stimulating further investigations.
We should be looking instead at the systematic manipulation by the DNC to oust the socialist Bernie Sanders and prop up the Hillary cadaver as the nominee.

Or we could just drop the whole thing because,... well,... at this point what difference does it make?


tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
she's not now nor was then President. The level of concern existed in proportion.

and the way the story is told here, I'm certain many actually believe she sold physical uranium owned by the US to Russia. Very few actually understand the transaction, the players, and the process of the approval sign-off.


Neither is/was he.

And who cares about uranium when there's the pizza sex scandal to talk about?!

tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
But he was appointed even after the Trump admin was told about it. One concern was he would be open to blackmail by the Russians. They forced him out because it all became known!

They have since discussed rehiring him.

Once again, I am not talking about election shenanigans, my biggest fears are with Russian's influencing our policy makers.


Do you honestly think it's as big a deal as this whole situation has become?

People don't even know WHY "Russia" is a bad thing.
They hate trump. And that's all that matters.

Just look at the Trump/Putin history in the news.
First he's buddies with him. Which was deemed as a bad thing.
Then they were enemies. Again, this is very bad.
Now we're back to them being bedfellows and it's bad. Again.

Time to sh*t or get off the pot.
Instead, the media choose to just stir.

teedubbya Offline
#58 Posted:
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I think the investigation is still going. We don't have the info to determine if it's time to get off the pot. Some wanted to get off it immediately. I wonder why? I don't know who knew or did what and am willing to wait. I hope there is no there there, because it will hurt the country, but am not willing to ignore it just because I wanna blow trump or hate the press.
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I think the investigation is still going. We don't have the info to determine if it's time to get off the pot. Some wanted to get off it immediately. I wonder why? I don't know who knew or did what and am willing to wait. I hope there is no there there, because it will hurt the country, but am not willing to ignore it just because I wanna blow trump or hate the press.


Truthfully, I'm perfectly fine with the investigation continuing.
I just abhor the media reaction to false leaks. I feel that is undermining our nation more than any foreign tampering could ever do.

Let the process play out and let the chips fall.

teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Truthfully, I'm perfectly fine with the investigation continuing.
I just abhor the media reaction to false leaks. I feel that is undermining our nation more than any foreign tampering could ever do.

Let the process play out and let the chips fall.




The false leaks? I'm disgusted by all of the leaks and the leakers (most of which have proven true thus far). I'm also disgusted by the content of said leaks and the actions of the white house, congress (both sides) and the press. What a fine mess.

Kaisich got it right. The republicans are hiding or covering, and the dems are exploiting. Both bad for the country.

I am amazed at the trump love in here. He was right about the gun and 5th avenue comment.
delta1 Offline
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wikileaks about Hillary was good...leaks about Trump's behavior bad...that's straight? ...right?
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tailgater wrote:
Neither is/was he.

And who cares about uranium when there's the pizza sex scandal to talk about?!


news: he is.

I write of uranium cuz it is posted here thrice a day as fact
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tailgater wrote:
Do you honestly think it's as big a deal as this whole situation has become?

People don't even know WHY "Russia" is a bad thing.
They hate trump. And that's all that matters.

Just look at the Trump/Putin history in the news.
First he's buddies with him. Which was deemed as a bad thing.
Then they were enemies. Again, this is very bad.
Now we're back to them being bedfellows and it's bad. Again.

Time to sh*t or get off the pot.
Instead, the media choose to just stir.


I think it is worth a look. then I can answer your question of worth it or not. After that, we will know if the many connections are problematic.

I chuckle every time you write "had contact" or "spoke to". Why lighten the language, unless it is too damning?

Is it possible you do not know the deep levels of involvement of the original campaign manager, and Flynn, and on and on? Not contacts, Joe, but lots and lots of money...and kept quiet from US.

Let's find out, we deserve to know that we all get a clean bill of health...but I tell ya again, it won't end up as an election issue, just as whitewater didn't end up as a failed real estate deal, but a sex act.

Hope we aren't Monica.

delta1 Offline
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Damm Russkies are slick, devious and malicious...hacking the DNC emails was just a tip of the iceberg of the tool-kit they used to mess with our election. One of their first accomplishments, an indication that they had an insider in the Trump campaign early on, before the GOP convention, was the late switch in language about US assistance to Ukraine in the GOP platform. That came out of thin air, and was a head scratcher when the Trump campaign insisted on the change that benefited the Russian involvement in Ukraine, just a few days before the convention. That was one of the first public signs that there may be a there there.
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TG, I am just as irate about what the DNC did to Sanders. I don't think the Russians caused voter fraud, but I do think they influenced the election. Though I think Comey most influenced the election.
Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Damm Russkies are slick, devious and malicious...hacking the DNC emails was just a tip of the iceberg of the tool-kit they used to mess with our election. One of their first accomplishments, an indication that they had an insider in the Trump campaign early on, before the GOP convention, was the late switch in language about US assistance to Ukraine in the GOP platform. That came out of thin air, and was a head scratcher when the Trump campaign insisted on the change that benefited the Russian involvement in Ukraine, just a few days before the convention. That was one of the first public signs that there may be a there there.


Come on my friend. Had the Dems not authored the emails, they would not have been leaked. Blaming the Russians is nothing but deflection.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted:
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And a crime.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I think it is worth a look. then I can answer your question of worth it or not. After that, we will know if the many connections are problematic.

I chuckle every time you write "had contact" or "spoke to". Why lighten the language, unless it is too damning?

Is it possible you do not know the deep levels of involvement of the original campaign manager, and Flynn, and on and on? Not contacts, Joe, but lots and lots of money...and kept quiet from US.

Let's find out, we deserve to know that we all get a clean bill of health...but I tell ya again, it won't end up as an election issue, just as whitewater didn't end up as a failed real estate deal, but a sex act.

Hope we aren't Monica.



But "had contact" and "spoke to" is the only accurate terms, at least until we know otherwise.
You're the one that is speculating and treating it as fact.

So take your own advice. Let's find out. But you've already made up your mind.
gummy jones Offline
#69 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
she's not now nor was then President. The level of concern existed in proportion.

and the way the story is told here, I'm certain many actually believe she sold physical uranium owned by the US to Russia. Very few actually understand the transaction, the players, and the process of the approval sign-off.


i would bet the clinton foundation and its funding (that is proven) didnt get 1/100th as much run time on the MSM as the current unproven accusations. heck, we were hearing about trump and the russians from campaign day 1.
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tailgater wrote:
But "had contact" and "spoke to" is the only accurate terms, at least until we know otherwise.
You're the one that is speculating and treating it as fact.

So take your own advice. Let's find out. But you've already made up your mind.

seriously?
You don't know of the documented facts/derived incomes re: Flynn and Montichristowhatever?

Sessions "had contact", and I'd be surprised if a man in his position did not have contact. For very little reason, he removed himself, I assume because it would look biased had he not...good move.

Read earlier posts of mine, I keep saying that I hope it ends up clear for the good of the country (along with some, but to deny there are enough reasons to investigate, that is the mind that is made up. I'm still wanting answer so I will know the truth. My mind is open to the truth, but made up in regards to the need to get there.
DrafterX Offline
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Sounds like any evidence they find was gathered by Obama illegally anyways so it's getting thrown out... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#72 Posted:
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now you cut that out!
delta1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Come on my friend. Had the Dems not authored the emails, they would not have been leaked. Blaming the Russians is nothing but deflection.


You're right about who authored the emails...but leaking emails wasn't the only thing, nor the most serious that the Russians did. You may not have read the rest of my post, or are in denial about the other stuff that has happened that arouses suspicions about Russian activities during the presidential elections. Other stuff has been reported and documented and listed here in other threads, but most Trump supporters dismiss them as inconsequential, possibly without even looking into them.

The unexpected and unexplained change in the GOP platform to favor Russia in Ukraine at the insistence of the Trump campaign is like a canary in the mine...an indication that the Russians had engaged an ally (or more) among members of Trump's inner circle. Brennan's testimony indicates more than one were being targeted by Russian agents...

It stretches the imagination that Trump was unaware, but Christie's free ride after Bridgegate after his top aides were convicted proves anything is possible...

I am certain that had the Russians did anything to help Clinton win the election and undermine Trump, you would be demanding an investigation and urging the House to start impeachment proceedings...
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
You're right about who authored the emails...but leaking emails wasn't the only thing, nor the most serious that the Russians did. You may not have read the rest of my post, or are in denial about the other stuff that has happened that arouses suspicions about Russian activities during the presidential elections. Other stuff has been reported and documented and listed here in other threads, but most Trump supporters dismiss them as inconsequential, possibly without even looking into them.

The unexpected and unexplained change in the GOP platform to favor Russia in Ukraine at the insistence of the Trump campaign is like a canary in the mine...an indication that the Russians had engaged an ally (or more) among members of Trump's inner circle. Brennan's testimony indicates more than one were being targeted by Russian agents...

It stretches the imagination that Trump was unaware, but Christie's free ride after Bridgegate after his top aides were convicted proves anything is possible...

I am certain that had the Russians did anything to help Clinton win the election and undermine Trump, you would be demanding an investigation and urging the House to start impeachment proceedings...


What are you talking about?
The Trump administration has upheld the sanctions and have clearly stated that they would remain in place unless Russia made moves that pleased the NATO G7 demands.

It's amazing how news gets twisted. I saw the "reports" that claimed Trump wanted to eliminate the Russian sanctions. But if they ever did exist they were never implemented.
And think about this:
Obama's America did nothing to directly thwart Russia from the Crimea peninsula.
But when Trumps' America does "equally nothing" you claim he's been influenced by Rubles?
LOL!

Truth be told, the world would be a better place if America and Russia were allies.
But with the warped perspective issued by the media and swallowed whole by people like you, that could never happen without you claiming that it proves corruption.
I would "LOL" again, but it's too damn sad.

delta1 Offline
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Trump's campaign insisted on changing the GOP platform's stance on Ukraine: they insisted on deleting the provision that the US would provide lethal weapons to the rebels who were fighting the Russians.

Amazing that the GOP considered that Russia was the greatest threat to the US as recently as the 2012 elections, when Romney was running...and through 2016, before Trump's rise to power...
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well, da Russians weren't fighting ISIS back then either... but I'm sure it all because of the collusion instead... Mellow
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CNN now calling Comey a liar.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/politics/james-comey-fbi-investigation-fake-russian-intelligence/
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The generals in Syria have said Russian isn't helping us to fight ISIS...no Russian boots on the ground or planes in the air fighting ISIS in Iraq...

...did you see Trump shove the PM of Montenegro aside so he could get to the front of the NATO pack for the photo op? Putin hates that guy (word is he's on the "list") so he prolly liked what his dog Trump did...

...and Trump clowned all the NATO deadbeats without saying he's got their backs...so he occasionally can reach back to his campaign rhetoric...

...but...aren't all of them our friends and allies...who stepped up and had our backs after 9/11...???...
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delta1 wrote:
The generals in Syria have said Russian isn't helping us to fight ISIS...no Russian boots on the ground or planes in the air fighting ISIS in Iraq...

...did you see Trump shove the PM of Montenegro aside so he could get to the front of the NATO pack for the photo op? Putin hates that guy (word is he's on the "list") so he prolly liked what his dog Trump did...

...and Trump clowned all the NATO deadbeats without saying he's got their backs...so he occasionally can reach back to his campaign rhetoric...

...but...aren't all of them our friends and allies...who stepped up and had our backs after 9/11...???...


There're our friends and allies while we foot the bill to defend them. When friends like them....

**** the guy from Montenegro. Why should he be in front anyway?
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Which generals?

The ones fighting them, or the side that funded and armed them?
Abrignac Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Which generals?

The ones fighting them, or the side that funded and armed them?



This month, or last?
frankj1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
There're our friends and allies while we foot the bill to defend them. When friends like them...

anyone ever look into the NATO payment agreement?
curious.
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delta1 wrote:
Trump's campaign insisted on changing the GOP platform's stance on Ukraine: they insisted on deleting the provision that the US would provide lethal weapons to the rebels who were fighting the Russians.

Amazing that the GOP considered that Russia was the greatest threat to the US as recently as the 2012 elections, when Romney was running...and through 2016, before Trump's rise to power...


Romney was ridiculed for that prediction.
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delta1 wrote:
The generals in Syria have said Russian isn't helping us to fight ISIS...no Russian boots on the ground or planes in the air fighting ISIS in Iraq...

...did you see Trump shove the PM of Montenegro aside so he could get to the front of the NATO pack for the photo op? Putin hates that guy (word is he's on the "list") so he prolly liked what his dog Trump did...

...and Trump clowned all the NATO deadbeats without saying he's got their backs...so he occasionally can reach back to his campaign rhetoric...

...but...aren't all of them our friends and allies...who stepped up and had our backs after 9/11...???...



This reads better when sung to the tune of the Bugs Bunny theme music.



Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
I am certain that had the Russians did anything to help Clinton win the election and undermine Trump, you would be demanding an investigation and urging the House to start impeachment proceedings...


You would be wrong my friend. I'm far more interested in moving forward making things better everyday than wasting time with investigations that will yield absolutely nothing that isn't muddied by political spin. Though I didn't like Obama, I don't recall clamoring for impeachment. In my opinion, there are far too many partisans who would love nothing more than to see our country facing hardship just so they can put a check in the win column.
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True... true. .. Mellow
Speyside Offline
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There should not be them and us, but that will not change. I am tired of news like president Trump elbowed someone to be at the front of the National picture. Who cares? Why is this even news?
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Speyside wrote:
There should not be them and us, but that will not change. I am tired of news like president Trump elbowed someone to be at the front of the National picture. Who cares? Why is this even news?

I thought it was kinda funny
tailgater Offline
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I thought it wan't even a push.

But it was indeed funny because of how he looked afterwards. It was very obvious that he felt the need to be in the front. But anyone who calls that a push is either lying or so blinded by partisan hatred that they shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects.

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well, I suppose there could be several reasons other than blindness or hatred, but those seem to be the go-to parameters lately.

besides, it looked more like a comical pull to me.
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I'm sure someone here will ask for an Independent Counsel to investigate the "push"
DrafterX Offline
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I heard he said somethin about his mama. .. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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I wouldn't take that crepe from Moldavia
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
well, I suppose there could be several reasons other than blindness or hatred, but those seem to be the go-to parameters lately.

besides, it looked more like a comical pull to me.


It's not even the push/pull that makes me laugh. It's how he looks afterwards.
I can't stop laughing.

frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
It's not even the push/pull that makes me laugh. It's how he looks afterwards.
I can't stop laughing.


me too. it was great.
delta1 Offline
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...wonder if Trump ever played roller derby...he looked like the first link of a whip...
frankj1 Offline
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he was a jammer for the Bay Area Bombers
DrafterX Offline
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I used to ride the motorcycle in rollerball... Mellow
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We're you a wolf then? That would have been way cool.
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Mellow
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