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tailgater Offline
#101 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 12:18 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:


As we continue to elect even bigger idiots (I know it's hard to imagine a bigger idiot than Trump... but we thought the same thing about GWB) we will continue to lose any respect from 1st world nations. We are already showing the world that our nation isn't the leader in a number of things any longer ... other than being the leader in "me first" they recognize it and have made statements regarding that.


You're confusing "respect" from 1st world nations with the reality: America has become submissive. We've become the Sugar Daddy to the world. We pay for that "respect" with dollars and in the meantime we ARE failing our own people because it's true we're not leading on many fronts where we should (and where we did).



victor809 wrote:
And all this because people thought an idiot swindler was going to give them the 1950s jobs back that don't even exist and kick all the brownish people out who they're sure took their nonexistent jobs. He's accomplished none of those lies, all he does is tweet a claim to success, which then gets rolled back 2 weeks later. But no one has the attention span to notice. And psychology being what it is, pointing out that they made a bad decision only tends to entrench people further in their decision (just me pointing this out probably makes you want to fellate Trump even more than when you started reading it).


Kick out brownish people?
You mean people who committed a felony and broke our laws to gain entry to our country and access to our services?
Those people?

Victor, you seem like a worldly guy. Perhaps you've known people who travel overseas to other 1st world countries. Perhaps you've known some to live and work there.
I have.
And I know what happens when your visa lapses.
I know how they come to you and wait while you pack and bring you to the airport.

It's not a negotiation. It's not a racial discrimination. It's not skin color.
It's a simple matter of breaking the law.

Why is that so difficult to understand?
victor809 Offline
#102 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 12:45 PM EST
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And what has he done to fix any of that?


Nothing.
DrafterX Offline
#103 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 6:35 PM EST
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Ya, it's been 5 months already... Mellow
jjanecka Offline
#104 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 8:45 PM EST
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Bottom line is that if Drafter never wanted to be deported he should have had his paperwork in order...
DrafterX Offline
#105 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 9:16 PM EST
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I'm living on land that belonged to my ancestors from a thousand years or so prolly... Can't deport me... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#106 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 9:55 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And what has he done to fix any of that?


Nothing.




What did your Messiah do in his double term? I mean besides create DACA and DAPA by Executive order....sidestepping Congressional approval? The Dems had already read the writing on the wall as to just how BAD their " Brand " had become and were looking to load the voting booths with ILLEGALS who he had hoped to give blanketed amnesty to in return for votes.
Of course using racism ( or @ least the mention of it ) to inflame the idea that Americans ( including Mexican immigrants who came here and remain here LEGALLY ) were somehow racist for wanting our LAWS regarding legal entry and citizenship UPHELD.


There's NO EXCUSE for ignoring our immigration laws...unless your party is just looking for votes.

https://secure.anedot.com/project-veritas/c6d919700ea54fb748760
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#107 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 10:57 AM EST
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I become irritated when I hear the term undocumented immagrants. That is not what they are. They are illegal aliens.

I become irritated when I hear the term lone wolf terrorists. That is not what they are. They are radical Islamic terrorists.

I become irritated when I hear the term married gay couple. That is not what they are. They are a gay couple who entered a civil union.

I am irritated that a man wearing a dress is called a woman. That is not what he is until he has the surgery. He is a man.

Political correctness needs to go away.
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 11:03 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:


I am irritated that a man wearing a dress is called a woman. That is not what he is until he has the surgery. He is a man.



or a freak... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#109 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 11:05 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I become irritated when I hear the term undocumented immagrants. That is not what they are. They are illegal aliens. ( based on shear numbers....I prefer the term INVADERS cause this is an invasion)

I become irritated when I hear the term lone wolf terrorists. That is not what they are. They are radical Islamic terrorists.

I become irritated when I hear the term married Homosexual couple. That is not what they are. They are a Homosexual couple who entered a civil union.

I am irritated that a man wearing a dress is called a woman. That is not what he is until he has the surgery. He is a man. ( still not unless he /it has a complete DNA dump and infusion of female DNA and can have a period and deliver a baby )

Political correctness needs to go away.



Agreed albeit a cpl minor changes in wording
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#110 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 11:16 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I become irritated when I hear the term undocumented immagrants. That is not what they are. They are illegal aliens.

I become irritated when I hear the term lone wolf terrorists. That is not what they are. They are radical Islamic terrorists.

I become irritated when I hear the term married gay couple. That is not what they are. They are a gay couple who entered a civil union.

I am irritated that a man wearing a dress is called a woman. That is not what he is until he has the surgery. He is a man.

Political correctness needs to go away.


the person who believes this is identical in substance to the person who's irritated by the reverse of each of these things... both of these people are the problem... little miniature bombs walking around looking for words to blow up over...
DrafterX Offline
#111 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 11:20 AM EST
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Nope... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#112 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 11:25 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
the person who believes this is identical in substance to the person who's irritated by the reverse of each of these things... both of these people are the problem... little miniature bombs walking around looking for words to blow up over...



How PC of you Joel, yet words are all we have and these groups think they can piece meal apart our meanings and highjack them to mean whatever they want....all to feel comfortable in their own skin.

Allen is correct on this one. I'm certain there are some " words as you put it " that you would find inflammatory and might even piss you off enough to be angered, if I'm wrong....well it won't be the first time. And in the end we're ALL entitled to our opinions and beliefs right? Seems to me there's only a cpl groups out there trying to FORCE their verbiage and Worldview on ALL others.
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#113 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 11:32 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
How PC of you Joel, yet words are all we have and these groups think they can piece meal apart our meanings and highjack them to mean whatever they want....all to feel comfortable in their own skin.

Allen is correct on this one. I'm certain there are some " words as you put it " that you would find inflammatory and might even piss you off enough to be angered, if I'm wrong....well it won't be the first time. And in the end we're ALL entitled to our opinions and beliefs right? Seems to me there's only a cpl groups out there trying to FORCE their verbiage and Worldview on ALL others.



no, that was the entire point... spey didn't just say he was irritated by certain words, he wanted other words in their place... that's why - if he truly believes that - he's exactly like the people he's complaining about...

he's a star-bellied sneech basking in what he perceives to be his elevated staus over the plain bellied sneeches...

but you know what they say... "you can't teach a Sneetch"...
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#114 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 11:35 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
How PC of you Joel, yet words are all we have and these groups think they can piece meal apart our meanings and highjack them to mean whatever they want....all to feel comfortable in their own skin.

Allen is correct on this one. I'm certain there are some " words as you put it " that you would find inflammatory and might even piss you off enough to be angered, if I'm wrong....well it won't be the first time. And in the end we're ALL entitled to our opinions and beliefs right? Seems to me there's only a cpl groups out there trying to FORCE their verbiage and Worldview on ALL others.

and for the record, I'm not pc... but I don't go out of my way to be a d*ck to people who think differently than me, even when they've gone out of their way to be a d*ck to me... an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind and a tooth for a tooth leaves the whole damn planet looking like jet's family tree...
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#115 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:15 PM EST
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Don't agree at all Joel. I am being told by others what is correct, and I don't agree with them. It irritates me that people are telling me how to think. We have became very Orwellian in the sense of doublethink and newspeak. I don't want specific words, I want the words to be the truth. This is rewriting history and misinterpreting facts. It isn't as easy as saying everyone is correct. Nor is it a freedom of speach issue. It is an issue of this is correct because we say it is. When did the small group become correct and the bulk of the United States become wrong. I understand what you are saying, but I disagree.
DrafterX Offline
#116 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:19 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I become irritated when I hear the term undocumented immagrants. That is not what they are. They are illegal aliens.



This is especially un-debatable... illegal is illegal... there just isn't an argument that will change this... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#117 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:21 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
no, that was the entire point... spey didn't just say he was irritated by certain words, he wanted other words in their place... that's why - if he truly believes that - he's exactly like the people he's complaining about...

he's a star-bellied sneech basking in what he perceives to be his elevated staus over the plain bellied sneeches...

but you know what they say... "you can't teach a Sneetch"...



NOT TRUE and your wrong....We as a society already had in place words that already held a widely accepted meaning and these " other groups of people " find them somehow disparaging because it doesn't necessarily paint them in a positive light. Well news flash...they DO NOT get to pick and choose which words already in the English language are acceptable. You sir have been living in Cali ( land of PC ) TOO friggin long.
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#118 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:21 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:

I become irritated when I hear the term lone wolf terrorists. That is not what they are. They are radical Islamic terrorists.




not always Islamic... but if it is call it what it is.. Mellow
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#119 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:22 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
NOT TRUE and your wrong....We as a society already had in place words that already held a widely accepted meaning and these " other groups of people " find them somehow disparaging because it doesn't necessarily paint them in a positive light. Well news flash...they DO NOT get to pick and choose which words already in the English language are acceptable. You sir have been living in Cali ( land of PC ) TOO friggin long.

N*gger used to be one of those words paul... do you miss those times?
DrafterX Offline
#120 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:23 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:

I become irritated when I hear the term married gay couple. That is not what they are. They are a gay couple who entered a civil union.



this is nothing more than gay-homos seeking approval... they no what they are doing is wrong or not normal and need the rest of us to tell them it's ok... well it's not ok... keep it to yourself and behind closed doors and we'll get along fine...
Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#121 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:24 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
N*gger used to be one of those words paul... do you miss those times?



that word is still used everyday.. it must not be that bad... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#122 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:28 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
N*gger used to be one of those words paul... do you miss those times?





Well, right now in THESE times....YES. I will not play their double standard F'n games. Don't sit there and call one another **** and lol while @ the same time telling whitey how much that bothers you to be called that. They're ( of course not all ) playing a disgusting game of do as we say not what we do. And go figure of ALL the inflammatory words in our language.....you go right for the one considered Racist ( As long as it's whitey using it. ) How PC of you


DrafterX wrote:
that word is still used everyday by Blacks ( to include our former president!!!! ) .. it must not be that bad... Mellow


FIFY
victor809 Offline
#123 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:29 PM EST
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Did tcby just say he misses the days when he could say n*gger?
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#124 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:30 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
that word is still used everyday.. it must not be that bad... Mellow

people are still murdered every day as well... what the hell kind of logic...
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#125 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:30 PM EST
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Joel, none of the words I used have a connotation such as the n word, and you know that. Drafter, you are right, there or other types of terrorists.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#126 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Did tcby just say he misses the days when he could say n*gger?

#highelevationliving
DrafterX Offline
#127 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:31 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
people are still murdered every day as well... what the hell kind of logic...



you're not spinning very well today... Mellow
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#128 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:33 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Joel, none of the words I used have a connotation such as the n word, and you know that. Drafter, you are right, there or other types of terrorists.


none of that was directed anywhere near you... unless your argument also happens to be that "we already have words in place and those are good words, don't try and change my words", in which case, yes, they are as bad as the n-word because you're hanging onto them in spite of and possibly because they inflame others...
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#129 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:33 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
#highelevationliving




#PCCalidreaddude
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#130 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:35 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Did tcby just say he misses the days when he could say n*gger?

to be fair I don't think he said he misses those days... I think he flat out said he still uses it cuz he saw a couple of guys on the BET use it...
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#131 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:36 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
none of that was directed anywhere near you... unless your argument also happens to be that "we already have words in place and those are good words, don't try and change my words", in which case, yes, they are as bad as the n-word because you're hanging onto them in spite of and possibly because they inflame others...




You and the rest of the PCers can remove all the " bad words " that make you lose sleep @ night from books etc. but they'll never go away completely no matter how hard you and others try. That's Just the TRUTH, you cannot and should not police words...but you progressives think it's possible.
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#132 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:36 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
#PCCalidreaddude

4 years ago called... they said you could keep the joke cuz it wasn't that good to begin with...
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#133 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:38 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
to be fair I don't think he said he misses those days... I think he flat out said he still uses it cuz he saw a couple of guys on the BET use it...




Keep it up, ths is what people like you do....put words ( those things you so dislike ) into others mouths or conversation. You and Vicki should consider furthering your relationship....you could ge beat the **** out of homeless dudes together!!!!
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#134 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
You and the rest of the PCers can remove all the " bad words " that make you lose sleep @ night from books etc. but they'll never go away completely no matter how hard you and others try. That's Just the TRUTH, you cannot and should not police words...but you progressives think it's possible.

this entire conversation is being had because spey specifically wants words policed in a specific direction... well, that, and your love for the word n*gger...
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#135 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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No, my POV is what words are accurate. Simple math could be used as an example. 5=5 is true. 5=0 is not true. If it enraged someone that 5=5 it does not change the fact that 5=0 is not true.
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#136 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
4 years ago called... they said you could keep the joke cuz it wasn't that good to begin with...




Neither was the dirty fuggin loser look......but it didn't stop you from donning it did it?
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#137 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:42 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
No, my POV is what words are accurate. Simple math could be used as an example. 5=5 is true. 5=0 is not true. If it enraged someone that 5=5 it does not change the fact that 5=0 is not true.

by definition, marriage was never between a man and woman... by tradition, yes... by definition, no... that's why one of the first moves many conservative states took was to "define" marriage as between a man and a woman...

so it's not a 5+5 thing, it's an opinion thing...
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#138 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:43 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
this entire conversation is being had because spey specifically wants words policed in a specific direction... well, that, and your love for the word n*gger...




No I believe he wants the highjacking of words to STOP....like Homosexual = gay ( already had a widely accepted WORD / MEANING) that THEY simply didn't cotton to ( didya like that one? ) And you keep on with your inflammatory crap about my being a racist...this doesn't surprise me about you or Vicki even if it's only for a chuckle
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#139 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:44 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
by definition, marriage was never between a man and woman... by tradition, yes... by definition, no... that's why one of the first moves many conservative states took was to "define" marriage as between a man and a woman...

so it's not a 5+5 thing, it's an opinion thing...




Ask God about that... Mellow
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#140 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:45 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Ask God about that... Mellow

David was referred to as "A man after God's own heart"... ever look at his marriage(s)?
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#141 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:47 PM EST
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David wasn't God.. Mellow
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#142 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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Historically it has been defined as a man and a woman. But I will give you that one has grey area. Though the Judeo Christian religions define it in the historical sense. You can not apply the same logic to illegal alien. If someone is Muslim, or has been radicalized by Muslims, I do not think you could apply that logic either. Before sex change surgery that logic is also faulty.
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#143 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:51 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
David wasn't God.. Mellow

that is a piss-poor answer...

how do you justify your position that the God of the bible has always defined marriage as being between one man and one woman if the man he installed on the throne of Israel and whom he praised as being "After God's own heart" had 300+ wives and 700 some odd chicks just to sleep with? where's your sanctity of marriage there?
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#144 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:53 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Historically it has been defined as a man and a woman. But I will give you that one has grey area. Though the Judeo Christian religions define it in the historical sense. You can not apply the same logic to illegal alien. If someone is Muslim, or has been radicalized by Muslims, I do not think you could apply that logic either. Before sex change surgery that logic is also faulty.


that's literally the only one that bothered me... not saying I don't agree with you, just that that one isn't so 5+5 as all the others... that's all I was trying to get at... then paul had to start throwing around the n-word like it was rice at a wedding...
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#145 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:54 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
that's literally the only one that bothered me... not saying I don't agree with you, just that that one isn't so 5+5 as all the others... that's all I was trying to get at... then paul had to start throwing around the n-word like it was rice at a wedding...




YOU chose the N word you chicken **** SOB.....FU


opelmanta1900 wrote:
N*gger used to be one of those words paul... do you miss those times?
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#146 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 12:58 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
that is a piss-poor answer...

how do you justify your position that the God of the bible has always defined marriage as being between one man and one woman if the man he installed on the throne of Israel and whom he praised as being "After God's own heart" had 300+ wives and 700 some odd chicks just to sleep with? where's your sanctity of marriage there?



Marriage has been between man and a woman for as long as we were put on this earth until Obama became President.. and now you're asking me to accept it.. I don't think so... Not talking
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#147 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 1:00 PM EST
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On that one I agree. I am basing my irritation on my government telling me what to think and say. I believe marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman. I would like there to be a different term for gay people.
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#148 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 1:00 PM EST
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you're both making me laugh but I'm pretty sure only one of you is trying to be funny... (paul, drafter)
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#149 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 1:01 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
On that one I agree. I am basing my irritation on my government telling me what to think and say. I believe marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman. I would like there to be a different term for gay people.

so you're ok with them essentially getting married as long as you can still ostracize them by calling it something else... got it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c999SUjE8rQ
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#150 Posted: Fri, Jun 30 2017, 1:03 PM EST
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Marriage shouldn't be a governmental term. We don't need big government getting involved. It should be between you, your spouse, your church and or the marriage officiate.

Some in here want their church or the government to define it for everyone
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