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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 8:26 AM EST
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The Supreme Court’s term ends next week with growing speculation that Justice Anthony Kennedy--the panel’s most pivotal member--may retire at age 80 after 29 years on the court.


Action is expected on President Trump’s travel ban before the court’s long summer break but the biggest news of all would be if Kennedy were to use the court’s last public session on Monday to announce his retirement, the Associated Press reported Saturday.

Kennedy has played an important role as the court’s swing vote on many important rulings. His departure would allow conservatives to wrest near total control of the bench for the foreseeable future.

The justice has sided with his liberal colleagues on gay rights and abortion rights, as well as some cases involving race, the death penalty and the rights of people detained without charges at the Guantanamo Bay naval base. He has written all the court's major gay-rights decisions, including the 2015 ruling that declared same-sex marriage is a constitutional right nationwide


Film at 11.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 8:39 AM EST
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It's to bad the supreme court justices are liberal or conservative. Their rulings should be constitutionally based.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 8:43 AM EST
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True... true... Conservatives usually rule that way... The Liberals would like to rewrite the Constitution... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 9:14 AM EST
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Spey, totally agree. It bothers me that there aren't more unanimous decisions.
jjanecka Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 9:21 AM EST
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Liberals DO rewrite the constitution.
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 9:22 AM EST
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Z, it also minimizes one of our checks and balances that our forefathers wisely built into our government.
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 1:54 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Spey, totally agree. It bothers me that there aren't more unanimous decisions.


Yeah, everyone should see things the exact same way.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 2:01 PM EST
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Not my point Robert, the constant 5-4 is exactly what many Americans see wrong with what SCOTUS has become.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 2:25 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Spey, totally agree. It bothers me that there aren't more unanimous decisions.


When you're too busy trying to "interpret" law instead of upholding it...well, you're not going to get that are you?


RBG can die off already and not be missed too!
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 2:59 PM EST
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The Citizen's United case is proof that conservative Supreme Court justices also like to rewrite the Constitution...it all depends on your perspective...it's a re-write if you don't agree with the decision...if you do agree with the decision, it is "an interpretation of the Constitution" to fit modern day realities which our forefathers did not foresee...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 4:46 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The Citizen's United case is proof that conservative Supreme Court justices also like to rewrite the Constitution...it all depends on your perspective...it's a re-write if you don't agree with the decision...if you do agree with the decision, it is "an interpretation of the Constitution" to fit modern day realities which our forefathers did not foresee...


They never in a million years thought that there would be Americans working against Americans with greed as a motivating factor. The men that wrote the documents that forged our nation spoke multiple languages and were learned men. What they laid down as a framework is monumental and a real testament towards forward thinking. They also understood that there should be clauses as time and issues change. They weren't perfect men, but they did outline a perfect system.

If a law is a law then it should be upheld. If not then a new law should be written. Upholding legislation because it's a tax when it's not labeled as one is not correct, yet that is exactly how ObamaCare got passed. Rammed down our throats by parliamentary procedure games and funded with backroom deals, tax breaks and passed as a tax. How many Americans want MORE taxes? I know not one. I'm for paying my fair share and do, however there are certain people and corporations that do not. It is not my burden to make up the difference.
delta1 Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Jun 25 2017, 6:26 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
They never in a million years thought that there would be Americans working against Americans with greed as a motivating factor. The men that wrote the documents that forged our nation spoke multiple languages and were learned men. What they laid down as a framework is monumental and a real testament towards forward thinking. They also understood that there should be clauses as time and issues change. They weren't perfect men, but they did outline a perfect system.

If a law is a law then it should be upheld. If not then a new law should be written. Upholding legislation because it's a tax when it's not labeled as one is not correct, yet that is exactly how ObamaCare got passed. Rammed down our throats by parliamentary procedure games and funded with backroom deals, tax breaks and passed as a tax. How many Americans want MORE taxes? I know not one. I'm for paying my fair share and do, however there are certain people and corporations that do not. It is not my burden to make up the difference.



Well said. I concur with every statement...ThumpUp
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 12:18 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
When you're too busy trying to "interpret" law instead of upholding it...well, you're not going to get that are you?


RBG can die off already and not be missed too!

could be semantics, but a hundred years ago what I was taught was that Congress makes laws, police uphold laws, and the supreme court interprets laws.
Buckwheat Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 12:27 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
True... true... Conservatives usually rule that way... The Liberals would like to rewrite the Constitution... Mellow


What ever you say Armadillo. Frying pan
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 3:47 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
could be semantics, but a hundred years ago what I was taught was that Congress makes laws, police uphold laws, and the supreme court interprets laws.


But I thought you were anti-semanitcs?
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 4:00 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
But I thought you were anti-semanitcs?

I see you're good wif words two.
MACS Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 4:07 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
But I thought you were anti-semantics?


Well yeah... that's if you're Jewish but don't actually believe it, right?
delta1 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 5:03 PM EST
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No, they are the ones who want people to be celibate until married...
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 5:09 PM EST
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Didn't we all celebrate until we were married?
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 5:14 PM EST
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Just the broads, we're ok.
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:00 PM EST
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this is going horribly wrong...but very funny.

BTW, just heard Kennedy is not stepping down, for now.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:01 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
this is going horribly wrong...but very funny.

BTW, just heard Kennedy is not stepping down, for now.

sounds like a threat to me...
frankj1 Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:04 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
sounds like a threat to me...

I tossed in the "for now" cuz he's like 110 years old...so it may be involuntary.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:25 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I tossed in the "for now" cuz he's like 110 years old...so it may be involuntary.

you just don't know when to stop...
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:34 PM EST
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I stop when I go.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:40 PM EST
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could be the prostate... should get it checked...
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:41 PM EST
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I heard the vetting that wasn't broken has already been fixed personally by trump anyway.
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:42 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard the vetting that wasn't broken has already been fixed personally by trump anyway.

he does the pat downs too?
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Jun 26 2017, 6:44 PM EST
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Just on the kitty Katz
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