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MACS Offline
#1 Posted:
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My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.” Here’s my answer:

We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain? We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party. I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”
The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.
With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America’s first wartime president in the Culture War.
During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming. Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, ****. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum, then Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.
Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!” That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics.

That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis. It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.
Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do.
First, instead of going after “the fake media” – and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri – Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal. Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”
Everyone gets that it’s not just CNN – in fact, in a world where Al Sharpton and Rachel Maddow, Paul Krugman and Nicholas Kristof are people of influence and whose “reporting” is in no way significantly different than CNN’s – CNN is just a piker.
Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. With Trump’s ability to go around them, they cannot simply stand pat. They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices.
They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery.

The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.
Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s, church.
Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

This makes “going high” a non-starter for CNN. This leaves them no other option but to ratchet up the fake news, conjuring up the next “nothing burger” and devoting 24 hours a day to hysterical rants about how it’s “worse than Nixon.”
This, obviously, is what CNN has chosen to do. The problem is that, as they become more and more hysterical, they become more and more obvious. Each new effort at even faker news than before and faker “outrage” only makes that much more clear to any objective observer that Trump is and always has been right about the fake news media.

And, by causing their hysteria, Trump has forced them into numerous, highly embarrassing and discrediting mistakes. Thus, in their desperation, they have lowered their standards even further and run with articles so clearly fake that, even with the liberal (lower case “l”) libel laws protecting the media, they’ve had to wholly retract and erase their stories repeatedly.

Their flailing at Trump has even seen them cross the line into criminality, with CNN using their vast corporate fortune to hunt down a private citizen for having made fun of them in an Internet meme. This threat to “dox” – release of personal information to encourage co-ideologists to visit violence upon him and his family -- a political satirist was chilling in that it clearly wasn’t meant just for him. If it were, there would have been no reason for CNN to have made their “deal” with him public.

Instead, CNN – playing by “Chicago Rules” – was sending a message to any and all: dissent will not be tolerated.
This heavy-handed and hysterical response to a joke on the Internet has backfired on CNN, giving rise to only more righteous ridicule.

So, to my friends on the Left – and the #NeverTrumpers as well -- do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do. These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.
So, say anything you want about this President – I get it, he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights.
jjanecka Offline
#2 Posted:
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Did you remind them that Truman threatened to kill the editor of the New York Times for their poor review of his daughter's broadway performance or how he would stop in the middle of his speeches to announce that his friend who had just walked into the room was a "good ole son of a bïtch?"

Old Hickory, Andrew Jackson, caned someone on the congress floor.

Kennedy slept with a ton of women.

Teddy Roosevelt displayed raw feats of pure manliness to make an äss out of someone whenever they complained.

Thomas Jefferson bedded many of his slaves.
Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

I mean the list goes on and on; both sides of the aisle.

It's pretty obvious to me that there is no "dignity of the office."
jjanecka Offline
#3 Posted:
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Correction: perhaps some Presidents treated it as a place of dignity but not all.
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted:
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That is definitely a bunch of tripe.

MACS Offline
#5 Posted:
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Posts: 79,593
victor809 wrote:
That is definitely a bunch of tripe.




Man... I didn't see that coming.

Sarcasm
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Anyone who has followed politics for the past 20 years would know it was a bunch of tripe. So I'm sure you saw that coming.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted:
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Whatever a cow's stomach lining has to do with any of this is beyond me, but I digress.
Abrignac Offline
#8 Posted:
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Cliff's notes please
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
Abrignac wrote:
Cliff's notes please


Trump is go(o)d.
Republicans are perfect.
Democrats are liberal, socialist, unAmerican scum.
And MACS is a poopy head.
MACS Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,593
Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Trump is better than Hillary.
Republicans are better than democrats.
Democrats are liberal, socialist, unAmerican scum.
And MACS is wishin' he was fishin'.


FIFY
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#11 Posted:
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You're still a poopy head.
bgz Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2014
Posts: 13,023
MACS!!!

That wall of giant wall of text... I just can't... I'm sure it's good, but my attention span just isn't what it used to be.
MACS Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,593
Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
You're still a poopy head.


Yet... inexplicably... you still care. Blushing
MACS Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,593
bgz wrote:
MACS!!!

That wall of giant wall of text... I just can't... I'm sure it's good, but my attention span just isn't what it used to be.


Yeah, I know... some of it is blatant Trump worship, some is funny, and some is accurate. Those are the clif notes.
xibbumbero Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2002
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Though MACS and I agree to disagree,what he posted is just pure BS....plain and simple. X Shame on you
MACS Offline
#16 Posted:
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Ya know... it occurred to me that GW Bush has GOT to be so happy everything is now Trump's fault and not his fault any more.
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
Bush didn't strike me as if he really gave a damn about what the Dems thought.. Mellow
burnem2 Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 12-23-2009
Posts: 628
@ OP: Well said, MACS!!!
JadeRose Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 05-15-2008
Posts: 19,525
MACS wrote:
There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush





This was the funniest line in that comedy
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
Why is that..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,754
MACS wrote:
My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.” Here’s my answer:

We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain? We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party. I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”
The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.
With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America’s first wartime president in the Culture War.
During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming. Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, ****. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum, then Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.
Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!” That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics.

That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis. It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.
Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do.
First, instead of going after “the fake media” – and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri – Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal. Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”
Everyone gets that it’s not just CNN – in fact, in a world where Al Sharpton and Rachel Maddow, Paul Krugman and Nicholas Kristof are people of influence and whose “reporting” is in no way significantly different than CNN’s – CNN is just a piker.
Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. With Trump’s ability to go around them, they cannot simply stand pat. They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices.
They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery.

The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.
Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s, church.
Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

This makes “going high” a non-starter for CNN. This leaves them no other option but to ratchet up the fake news, conjuring up the next “nothing burger” and devoting 24 hours a day to hysterical rants about how it’s “worse than Nixon.”
This, obviously, is what CNN has chosen to do. The problem is that, as they become more and more hysterical, they become more and more obvious. Each new effort at even faker news than before and faker “outrage” only makes that much more clear to any objective observer that Trump is and always has been right about the fake news media.

And, by causing their hysteria, Trump has forced them into numerous, highly embarrassing and discrediting mistakes. Thus, in their desperation, they have lowered their standards even further and run with articles so clearly fake that, even with the liberal (lower case “l”) libel laws protecting the media, they’ve had to wholly retract and erase their stories repeatedly.

Their flailing at Trump has even seen them cross the line into criminality, with CNN using their vast corporate fortune to hunt down a private citizen for having made fun of them in an Internet meme. This threat to “dox” – release of personal information to encourage co-ideologists to visit violence upon him and his family -- a political satirist was chilling in that it clearly wasn’t meant just for him. If it were, there would have been no reason for CNN to have made their “deal” with him public.

Instead, CNN – playing by “Chicago Rules” – was sending a message to any and all: dissent will not be tolerated.
This heavy-handed and hysterical response to a joke on the Internet has backfired on CNN, giving rise to only more righteous ridicule.

So, to my friends on the Left – and the #NeverTrumpers as well -- do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do. These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.
So, say anything you want about this President – I get it, he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights.


LOL Liar Shame on you LOL
TMCTLT Offline
#22 Posted:
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burnem2 wrote:
@ OP: Well said, MACS!!!



+1

JadeRose Offline
#23 Posted:
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Posts: 19,525
DrafterX wrote:
Why is that..?? Huh






Because W was a clown. A goofball. Don't get me wrong. He was a LIKABLE goofball. I've always thought W would make a great neighbor. Just a silly dude that you could joke around with and laugh at when he fell off his ladder and you had to save him. He'd make a great Buddy. He was a **** President.
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted:
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Posts: 98,508
He told me you sucked balls... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted:
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And weiners
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted:
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I didn't want to hurt his feelings.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted:
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True true
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted:
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I heard his wiener is so roughed up it no longer has feelings.
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted:
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Well, it's his own fault.. Mellow
JadeRose Offline
#30 Posted:
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Posts: 19,525
teedubbya wrote:
I heard his wiener is so roughed up it no longer has feelings.





It has had a rough go of it.
delta1 Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,754
In poker parlance: I call your Alinsky...and.........................raise Ailes, Koch Bros, Limbaugh, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones and the Birther in Chief, Donald Trump...

They don't even know the meaning of "dignity, collegiality, and propriety"

teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
The alinsky stuff is way over played primarily by people who don't even understand it. I get a kick out of the geniuses that twist atlas shrugged to fit their view as well.
delta1 Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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I knew a guy in college who recommended that, Fountainhead, and other works...he was such an opinionated and unlikable guy that I'm glad I rand from Ayn...


waddya think...should I bother to check it out?

Nevermind...Paul Ryan endorsed it, then retracted his endorsement...and he reminds me of the dude in college...
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted:
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It's worth the read and we discussed it in classes. Too many people now drop it as a be all end all part of a discussion rather than actually having to understand things and having original thought.

But yes it's worth a read if you consider it's just one author and nothing new.
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,508
Is there a movie..?? Huh
TMCTLT Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
Posts: 19,733
delta1 wrote:
In poker parlance: I call your Alinsky...and.........................raise Ailes, Koch Bros, Limbaugh, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones and the Birther in Chief, Donald Trump...

They don't even know the meaning of "dignity, collegiality, and propriety"




Your right Al....the Clinton' really set a high bar, tough for anyone to measure up to that kind of CLASS and PROPRIETY!!!!!
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