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teedubbya Offline
#501 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
It shouldn't be up to him... Mellow



I bet Robert E. Lee V was part of that hateful violent group that disrupted the peaceful nazi rally. ram27bat
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#502 Posted:
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Started unfollowing people on Facebook that keep ranting about how Trump has handled this. Can't take their worthless whining. Freaking out on Facebook isn't going to help or change anything. Idiots.
DrafterX Offline
#503 Posted:
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they'll get over it... politics isn't a very good reason to lose a friend... did they ever give you a handy or anything..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#504 Posted:
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This really isn't about the American Civil War. That's really a side story...My father and his generation fought alongside most people from the rest of the world in a world war to prevent the ideology represented by those Neo-Nazi white supremacists from prevailing and controlling the world. Millions died on both sides, among them thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Chinese. Many Germans and Italians and Japanese citizens were "good people" who just happened to be marching with some really bad people. I'm so thankful that the really bad people who fought them on our behalf, I'd like to think the "good side", won the war.

The entire Allied side can be considered the pre-cursor to antifa, opposing the Neo-Nazis. I've chosen to stand strong with my father and all those who tried to rid the world of that scourge then. If the movement re-takes root, we may reprise WWII...

Never forget...

(hate speech over)
DrafterX Offline
#505 Posted:
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5542508343001/?#sp=show-clips


good Lord... d'oh!
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#506 Posted:
Joined: 11-15-2016
Posts: 3,677
DrafterX wrote:
they'll get over it... politics isn't a very good reason to lose a friend... did they ever give you a handy or anything..?? Huh


Umm...no...

I kept them as friends, just don't need to see their worthless drivel now. Ha
DrafterX Offline
#507 Posted:
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Posts: 98,535
You blocked their posts..?? Huh
Abrignac Offline
#508 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Drafter. I don't care what Trump says. I draw a very clear line. If you are standing next to Nazis chanting the sh×t they were chanting (at a confederate stage of all things... what does that have to do with judaeism?) And you don't walk away immediately, you are a nazi.

There is no situation in the world in which I can imagine myself standing in a crowd surrounded by Nazis chanting antisemitic chants and not immediately decide I'm in the wrong place and standing on the wrong side of the discussion... or at minimum that I want to have that discussion at a later time somewhere else not surrounded by Nazis chanting antisemitic sh×t. I firmly believe that anyone that cannot come to that conclusion on their own is also a Nazi. I am not going to sway on this.



I know huh?

You'd rather stand in a group of naked men while one lays on the ground spanking his 🐒
jjanecka Offline
#509 Posted:
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Nazis, antifa, the kkk, the media, Vic and his gay buddy who was jerking off on the middle of the sidewalk, they're all just a bunch of socialist left-wing nuts...
Hank_The_Tank Offline
#510 Posted:
Joined: 11-15-2016
Posts: 3,677
DrafterX wrote:
You blocked their posts..?? Huh


Yup, they are family and friends, so I wouldn't delete them entirely, just make sure that I don't see what they post.
TMCTLT Offline
#511 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
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DrafterX wrote:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5542508343001/?#sp=show-clips


good Lord... d'oh!




NO SH*T.....Un F*cking Real!!!! I suppose it makes me a bad person that I BROKE OUT LAUGHING @ those two?

Especially the dude....what a F*n cupcake my lord. I wonder who his acting coach was / is?
DrafterX Offline
#512 Posted:
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I laughed also... Laugh
dstieger Offline
#513 Posted:
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Martha MacCallum had him on last night, along with Melissa something or other who also had a breakdown on air. The emotion was a bit much....but, I give him (and the lady) props for going back on air to face/address their overwhelming emotions about this. It's rather striking to see what happens when folks FINALLY see through Trump. Paul and X...keep the kleenex handy (:)) but at least you probably won't have your revelation on air in front of a national audience.
DrafterX Offline
#514 Posted:
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they were acting.. plain and simple... grown men don't cry over stupid chit.. Not talking
TMCTLT Offline
#515 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
Martha MacCallum had him on last night, along with Melissa something or other who also had a breakdown on air. The emotion was a bit much....but, I give him (and the lady) props for going back on air to face/address their overwhelming emotions about this. It's rather striking to see what happens when folks FINALLY see through Trump. Paul and X...keep the kleenex handy (:)) but at least you probably won't have your revelation on air in front of a national audience.




Sounds like your the one in need of tissue Dave.
If you bought into that obvious over the top acting job....your the one with issues.
Revelation.....LMAO

Too BAD people couldn't / WOULDN'T see through Soetoro.....the racist pot stirring SOB. You want to give someone credit for where we are right now...give it to BARRY
bgz Offline
#516 Posted:
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Apparently the mayor ordered the police to stand down. Also, one of the policemen involved said the mayor basically ordered the two groups to be put within range of each other to encourage them to fight.

If all this is true, I hope their mayor gets a lengthy prison sentence...
delta1 Offline
#517 Posted:
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Since we are a civil society that supports free speech by all, and that is the law of the land....you're right bgz. The Neo Nazis should be allowed to speak, and if permitted to do so in a public area, they should be allowed to do so in a secure area with plenty of law enforcement officers to keep the peace. Does it matter how much this will cost and that we all will pay?

RIP the two police officers who were killed in a chopper crash while monitoring this sorry showdown...they seem to have been forgotten in the turmoil following the event...
TMCTLT Offline
#518 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Apparently the mayor ordered the police to stand down. Also, one of the policemen involved said the mayor basically ordered the two groups to be put within range of each other to encourage them to fight.

If all this is true, I hope their mayor gets a lengthy prison sentence...


Amen to that BG, had heard a little something about this being a possibility but it was being laid on Law Enforcement NOT the Mayor.....so the officers were simply following orders huh.



delta1 wrote:
Since we are a civil society that supports free speech by all, and that is the law of the land....you're right bgz. The Neo Nazis should be allowed to speak, and if permitted to do so in a public area, they should be allowed to do so in a secure area with plenty of law enforcement officers to keep the peace. Does it matter how much this will cost and that we all will pay?

RIP the two police officers who were killed in a chopper crash while monitoring this sorry showdown...they seem to have been forgotten in the turmoil following the event...



Yeah, hadn't heard about that incident Al. What brought them down?

RIP to the two officers lost.
teedubbya Offline
#519 Posted:
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The Bell 407 helicopter involved in the weekend crash that killed two Virginia State Police officers in Charlottesville crashed in 2010, officials at the National Transportation Safety Board confirmed Tuesday.

That crash occurred in May 2010, when the helicopter lost power during a training flight. Two troopers were on board, but did not suffer serious injuries. The NTSB said that the probable cause of the crash was faulty maintenance, noting that the shop that had made repairs to the helicopter, which involved the replacement of a deflector plate, was not authorized to do such work.

NTSB officials, who released new details of the Charlottesville crash Monday, said they did not disclose the previous incident because it was not clear if there was any connection between the 2010 incident and the weekend crash. Even so, officials said that it will be considered as part of the broader investigation.



I haven't heard what happened this time and have been watching for it.
Stinkdyr Offline
#520 Posted:
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Hank_The_Tank wrote:
Started unfollowing people on Facebook that keep ranting about how Trump has handled this. Can't take their worthless whining. Freaking out on Facebook isn't going to help or change anything. Idiots.



Congrats. You figured out that Facebook is a waste of time.

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bgz Offline
#521 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Since we are a civil society that supports free speech by all, and that is the law of the land....you're right bgz. The Neo Nazis should be allowed to speak, and if permitted to do so in a public area, they should be allowed to do so in a secure area with plenty of law enforcement officers to keep the peace. Does it matter how much this will cost and that we all will pay?

RIP the two police officers who were killed in a chopper crash while monitoring this sorry showdown...they seem to have been forgotten in the turmoil following the event...


What I read is that the mayor pushed them into a path and a situation where they would likely fight. If it was incidental, it would be one thing, but one of the police officers is claiming that the violent escalation was premeditated by the mayor (and I'm assuming his staff).

So I'm not saying anything about how much resources we should put towards keeping the peace, I'm saying that if the police officer is correct, then the mayor should be punished for his act of malice and disregard for the safety of the people.

Yes, it's sad that two officers died, but I don't think it has any direct correlation unless they were trying to get in to get better pictures or something (can't blame the protesters for pilot fail).
DrafterX Offline
#522 Posted:
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I saw a video a couple days showing the nazis at a park about 2 miles away from the so called rally and the anti-nazis at another park about 2 miles away... both groups marched to the rally point and clashed there.... this is why I kept saying there were prolly already at the park not associated with the nazis... I can't find that video now tho... Think





and yes.. RIP to the Highway Patrolmen.. Pray
teedubbya Offline
#523 Posted:
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My understanding is the nazi group had a permit for one park and the anti nazi groups had two permits for other parks (or maybe 1 permit for 2 parks... whichever)
DrafterX Offline
#524 Posted:
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maybe.. but they both marched to the destination.. it was a gang fight.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#525 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
maybe.. but they both marched to the destination.. it was a gang fight.. Mellow



to bad the nice folks didn't know it.... they were lead to slaughter.... poor poor innocent people marching to fight along with the nazis... why didn't the nazis give them any clues?
victor809 Offline
#526 Posted:
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Poor tcby.... :(
TMCTLT Offline
#527 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Poor tcby.... :(



Don't feel sorry for me sh*t slinger....
victor809 Offline
#528 Posted:
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I do anytime I see you post...

Like feeling sorry for the crack babies... you can't help it.
TMCTLT Offline
#529 Posted:
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More idiocy from Governor (D) of VA.

http://goppresidential.com/2017/08/17/gun-grabbing-governor-lied-about-key-charlottesville-information/

gummy jones Offline
#530 Posted:
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i thought this was pretty good
i dont always love this author
but my overall feelings on the matter seem well expressed

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Fighting Nazis is a good thing, but fighting Nazis doesn't necessarily make you or your cause good. By my lights this is simply an obvious fact.

The greatest Nazi-killer of the 20th century was Josef Stalin. He also killed millions of his own people and terrorized, oppressed, enslaved or brutalized tens of millions more. The fact that he killed Nazis during WWII (out of self-preservation, not principle) doesn't dilute his evil one bit.

This should settle the issue as far as I'm concerned. Nazism was evil. Soviet communism was evil. It's fine to believe that Nazism was more evil than communism. That doesn't make communism good.

Alas, it doesn't settle the issue. Confusion on this point poisoned politics in America and abroad for generations.

Part of the problem is psychological. There's a natural tendency to think that when people, or movements, hate each other, it must be because they're opposites. This assumption overlooks the fact that many -- indeed, most -- of the great conflicts and hatreds in human history are derived from what Sigmund Freud called the "narcissism of minor differences."

Most tribal hatreds are between very similar groups. The European wars of religion were between peoples who often shared the same language and culture but differed on the correct way to practice the Christian faith. The Sunni-Shia split in the Muslim world is the source of great animosity between very similar peoples.

The young communists and fascists fighting for power in the streets of 1920s Germany had far more in common with each other than they had with decent liberals or conservatives, as we understand those terms today. That's always true of violent radicals and would-be totalitarians.

The second part of the problem wasn't innocent confusion, but sinister propaganda. As Hitler solidified power and effectively outlawed the Communist Party of Germany, The Communist International (Comintern) abandoned its position that socialist and progressive groups that were disloyal to Moscow were "fascist" and instead encouraged communists everywhere to build "popular fronts" against the common enemy of Nazism.

These alliances of convenience with social democrats and other progressives were a great propaganda victory for communists around the world because they bolstered the myth that communists were just members of the left coalition in the fight against Hitler, bigotry, fascism, etc.

This obscured the fact that whenever the communists had a chance to seize power, they did so. And often, the first people they killed, jailed or exiled were their former allies. That's what happened in Eastern Europe, Cuba and other places where communists succeeded in taking over the government.

If you haven't figured it out yet, this seemingly ancient history is relevant today because of the depressingly idiotic argument about whether it's OK to equate "antifa" -- anti-fascist left-wing radicals -- with the neo-Nazi and white supremacist rabble that recently descended on Charlottesville, Virginia. The president wants to claim that there were "very fine people" on both sides of the protest and that the anti-fascist radicals are equally blameworthy. He borrowed from Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity the bogus term "alt-left" to describe the antifa radicals.


The term is bogus for the simple reason that, unlike the alt-right, nobody calls themselves "the alt-left." And that's too bad. One of the only nice things about the alt-right is that its leaders are honest about the fact that they want nothing to do with traditional American conservatism. Like the original Nazis, they seek to replace the traditional right with their racial hogwash.

The antifa crowd has a very similar agenda with regard to traditional American liberalism. These goons and thugs oppose free speech, celebrate violence, despise dissent and have little use for anything else in the American political tradition. But many liberals, particularly in the media, are victims of the same kind of confusion that vexed so much of American liberalism in the 20th century. Because antifa suddenly has the (alt-)right enemies, they must be the good guys. They're not.

And that's why this debate is so toxically stupid. Fine, antifa isn't as bad as the KKK. Who cares? Since when is being less bad than the Klan a major moral accomplishment?

In these tribal times, the impulse to support anyone who shares your enemies is powerful. But it is a morally stunted reflex. This is America. You're free to denounce totalitarians wherever you find them -- even if they might hate the right people.

https://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2017/08/18/altrights-despicability-doesnt-make-antifa-the-good-guys-n2370132
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#531 Posted:
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https://reason.com/blog/2017/08/16/virginia-state-police-say-they-didnt-fin
teedubbya Offline
#532 Posted:
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Mcaulif (so) is a moron and Clinton psycophant
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did you spell (sp) incorrectly?
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