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NFL players sit/kneel during Nat. Anthem?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#101 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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So...we can just stop the candy-coating bull$hit about BLM.

There it is for ALL to see. Not some isolated incident. Not just one person. I did a simple search and those were the first ones that didn't repeat. I can keep going if anyone needs more convincing. Yes...No?

Let me know.

So, if this is the organization that the NFL cowers to...they don't need me as a viewer. They don't need me buying stuff for grandkids. They don't need me in the seats or parking lot of their arenas. I don't think America needs nor wants this type of rhetoric in it's sports, on tv or any where. The opposite side of the pendulum is what this brings and nobody wants that either. Yin/Yang...Black/White...both are racist POS spewing hatred and division. That's not America. There is NO PLACE for it here.
bgz Offline
#102 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:

As for BLM...there hasn't been a lot of violence perpetrated by their protestors...saying things that one vehemently disagrees with is not an act of violence...


Tell that to the cleanup crews and the paramedics that have to go in after one of their "protests".
delta1 Offline
#103 Posted:
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Those video clips show disgusting individuals and those thoughts and ideas should be condemned, and do not help the cause of equality for all. They only strengthen the resolve of those who established and benefit from the status quo...

Those messages should be condemned...if the BLM, in totality, becomes that type of movement, it won't last long...

One can find all sorts of equally offensive videos of hateful persons expressing ideas and thoughts by white people directed at blacks...but doing so would only illustrate further the social divide in our country, and my objective is to try to bring us closer, not drive deeper wedges...
gummy jones Offline
#104 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:


One can find all sorts of equally offensive videos of hateful persons expressing ideas and thoughts by white people directed at blacks...but doing so would only illustrate further the social divide in our country, and my objective is to try to bring us closer, not drive deeper wedges...


we both agree that finding equally offensive videos does not justify the videos of an opposite group.

i would suggest that they do not mean there is a growing divide overall but that the fringe is drifting further to opposite sides and so is the 24hr news media.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#105 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Those video clips show disgusting individuals and those thoughts and ideas should be condemned, and do not help the cause of equality for all. They only strengthen the resolve of those who established and benefit from the status quo...

Those messages should be condemned...if the BLM, in totality, becomes that type of movement, it won't last long...

One can find all sorts of equally offensive videos of hateful persons expressing ideas and thoughts by white people directed at blacks...but doing so would only illustrate further the social divide in our country, and my objective is to try to bring us closer, not drive deeper wedges...



I haven't seen nor heard of any other BLM actions that support some notion that you've believed in. It's ALL been like what I posted. They can say whatever they want with "mission statements" but when it's quantified with "Kill" and "Gimmie" with bullhorns...shove it sideways.

Who are we really trying to kid when the name of the group implies straight up racism?
DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted:
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When I see BLM I think of Dallas... Prolly always will... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#107 Posted:
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Here is an opposite example, my brothers.......in OKC, even.............no "kill"...no "gimmee"

http://kfor.com/2016/07/10/thousands-attend-peaceful-black-lives-matter-protest/



.and BLM denounced the murder of Dallas Policemen...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dont-blame-black-lives-matter-for-the-deaths-of-dallas-cops_us_577f9409e4b01edea78d6514
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted:
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Yes they did.. doesn't change much.. somebody took them seriously.. just like the dude that shot up the Republican baseball players... Preach hate you get hate... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#109 Posted:
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Nobody I know says Dylan Roof represents all white people...the Dallas sniper is like Roof, an unstable, unhinged person who was influenced by events of the day...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#110 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Nobody I know says Dylan Roof represents all white people...the Dallas sniper is like Roof, an unstable, unhinged person who was influenced by events of the day...



And yet the surviving members of officers shot are going after BLM in lawsuits stating they incited the violence that lead to their deaths.

Can't make it up.

https://www.vibe.com/2016/11/slain-dallas-cop-black-lives-matter-lawsuit/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/18/dallas-cop-files-lawsuit-against-black-lives-matter-obama.html

and Baton Rogue too!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/10/permanently-disabled-baton-rouge-officer-sues-black-lives-matter-for-2016-ambush-shooting/?utm_term=.7b27b08830d2


There goes that "domino"!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDzsE5heUuA - Charlotte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_BcajsaKq4 - Milwaukee

Pick a town.
delta1 Offline
#111 Posted:
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I sincerely regret and wish those officers hadn't been murdered and hope the best for their survivors. If they win their lawsuits, will BLM go away? Can they even pay? Will it change the forces that caused a movement like it to emerge?

Few police officers are charged when they are accused of unlawful force, even fewer are tried and even fewer still are found guilty. Yet many civil suits against cities and departments whose officers may have used unlawful force find them liable and award millions of dollars in judgments to the surviving plaintiffs. Local taxpayers foot the bill.

The burden of proof is less in civil cases, so it is possible for the BLM to be found liable...
Burner02 Offline
#112 Posted:
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Don't plan on watching any NFL games and will avoid supporting as many of their sponsors as possible.
dkeage Offline
#113 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
Don't plan on watching any NFL games and will avoid supporting as many of their sponsors as possible.



So....... what are you gonna do when college players start doing it? They will I bet....

bgz Offline
#114 Posted:
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dkeage wrote:
So....... what are you gonna do when college players start doing it? They will I bet....



Quick Google search

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17626402/college-football-players-protest-anthem
bgz Offline
#115 Posted:
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What I think people don't get is how far we've come, is there more work? Ya, there's more work (if you've been following my posts any, you know I think it's a LOT more work).

But still, we've come a very long way.

Our flag is representative of that progress, representative of a lot of hard work by a lot of people of all shapes and colors.

Our Constitution was put in place, and over time, unintended by the original writers (or maybe it was intentional), every born citizen now has a voice and a vote regardless of color or gender. Without the Constitution, we wouldn't even be able to have this conversation.

The Constitution and our flag are representative of all the blood, sweat and tears that went in to building this country.

There's always going to be those who would love nothing more than to take our freedoms, and do harm to our people and destroy our country.

But our history is our history, and we have fought hard and defeated the most vile of them. Everyone just needs to own up to it and keep working and fighting hard to make sure this nation is still there for our children like the hard working people who came before us.

It's going to be hard to do if everyone is divided and not working toward that goal.

Can our country be better, yes, of course... but protesting the flag is counter-productive to that goal.
Burner02 Offline
#116 Posted:
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dkeage wrote:
So....... what are you gonna do when college players start doing it? They will I bet....





Probably spend more time at the range.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#117 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Our Constitution was put in place, and over time, unintended by the original writers (or maybe it was intentional), every born citizen now has a voice and a vote regardless of color or gender. Without the Constitution, we wouldn't even be able to have this conversation.


Our Founding Fathers understood the evils of slavery.

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/slavery.html

Just read the quotes. They weren't going to pass the Constitution if abolishing slavery was spelled out. So, they being the wisest men to ever walk the earth framed the document so it would be able to pass at a later date. They understood Freedom and knew it would only be a matter of time before slavery was abolished.

Here's Lincoln's take on it...http://www.weeklystandard.com/lincoln-said-it-best-the-founding-fathers-opposed-slavery/article/575904


bgz Offline
#118 Posted:
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Interesting reads. I suspected as such as I was writing my post above.
gummy jones Offline
#119 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:

Few police officers are charged when they are accused of unlawful force, even fewer are tried and even fewer still are found guilty. Yet many civil suits against cities and departments whose officers may have used unlawful force find them liable and award millions of dollars in judgments to the surviving plaintiffs. Local taxpayers foot the bill.



this is an issue that affects all of us.

i tend to believe most cops are good and they have a very very stressful and high risk job but bad folks lying for bad folks is deplorable and it seems the public has little recourse.
DrafterX Offline
#120 Posted:
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Lots of cops out there... Lots of people trying to dig up dirt on them too.... Mellow
MACS Offline
#121 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
this is an issue that affects all of us.

i tend to believe most cops are good and they have a very very stressful and high risk job but bad folks lying for bad folks is deplorable and it seems the public has little recourse.


Few cops are charged because very, very few instances in which force is used is their enough evidence to prove excessive force. Then the ones that do go to court, there still isn't enough evidence to convict in most cases.

The county, city, town (whatever) end up settling because the lawyers drag it on and on in civil court. Paying out, in the long run, is cheaper for them (so they think). But it sets a bad precedent for other shady lawyers (redundant?)... that they're willing to pay you to make you go away instead of fighting for what they know is true.

Force would not be necessary if people just did what they were told.
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