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Abrignac Offline
#101 Posted: Fri, Sep 8 2017, 10:09 PM EST
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The road they have to cross first.

Oh wait, that's the chikins.
TMCTLT Offline
#102 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 7:11 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And the childrens... They'll vote someday.. Mellow



MANY came here with only a couple years left before they qualify to do just that.....and because BOTH sides have allowed untold millions to flood our country they are now BOTH trying to figure out how to allow them to stay....




FOR THEIR VOTES
Mr. Jones Offline
#103 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 7:43 AM EST
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Who be payin' fo' der edumacations?
TMCTLT Offline
#104 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 7:47 AM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Who be payin' fo' der edumacations?




Same ones payin for their healthcare and other social services....It's interesting how BOTH SIDES used to see the PROBLEMS that come with open borders and NOT ENFORCING OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS!!!!!! Even the lunatics on the far left.

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/lawlessness-is-not-compassion-democrats-once-understood-this?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=090817crcontentemail&utm_campaign=newslettertraffic


Just a snippet from the above article:

" T]here are those in the immigrants’ rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are [here] illegally with legal status, or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. ... I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally. Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable. " [emphasis added]

No, this wasn’t a quote taken from Attorney General Sessions’ statement Tuesday rescinding Obama’s executive DACA amnesty (although it certainly is in line with the principles he espoused). It was a part of Barack Obama’s seminal speech on immigration on July 1, 2010, two years before he decided to act contrarily to his own speech.


Want MORE??? From the lips of Dirty Harry Reid:

What did Harry Reid say at the time? In an epic speech on the Senate floor a month later, Reid spoke with more conviction than even Jeff Sessions. Here are some highlights:

I wish the statements I have been making were some kind of a nightmare or dream, an aberration. But they are true. But they do not stop. Not only do we admit more than these 100,000 people each year without knowing who they are or why they came, we actually give them all the documents they need to simply disappear into our society.

Reid was worried about anchor babies. Now even Republicans support anchor teenagers.


From our current POTUS on immigration:

" When politicians talk about immigration reform, they usually mean the following, amnesty, open borders, lower wages. Immigration reform should mean something else entirely. It should mean improvements to our laws and policies to make life better for American citizens. […]

The truth is, the central issue is not the needs of the 11 million illegal immigrants… Anyone who tells you that the core issue is the needs of those living here illegally has simply spent too much time in Washington… There is only one core issue in the immigration debate, and that issue is the well-being of the American people. "

Donald Trump
delta1 Offline
#105 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 2:19 PM EST
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They all seem to be saying similar things...but no one has done much to address one of the biggest parts of the problem: stopping US employers from providing jobs to undocumented workers...


once that happens, there won't be the primary economic incentive to come into the US...
Abrignac Offline
#106 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 7:58 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
They all seem to be saying similar things...but no one has done much to address one of the biggest parts of the problem: stopping US employers from providing jobs to undocumented workers...


once that happens, there won't be the primary economic incentive to come into the US...



Which is why the techies are fighting this tooth and nail. The HB1 is as close to indentured servitude as one will find. An employer sponsors a no-citizen at about 50% of what the would pay a citizen. The foreigner is basically hand cuffed to the sponsor because hecan not switch employers without leaving the US and going through the process all over again.

When I went to D.C. back in 1995 to work in the IT field I worked with 2 HB1 workers. Both had advanced certifications and years of experience. I was a novice. Yet they made 2/3's what I made. They had both been working for the company for 5+ years. Most everyone else used this particular company as a stepping stone and would leave within a year of starting there. Usually with at least a 50% pay raise. I asked Alberto and Hilarrio why hadn't they went on to bigger and better things. That when the told me how couldn't without leaving and reapplying.
frankj1 Offline
#107 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 8:11 PM EST
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isn't it"s far more common use to staff restaurants on Cape Cod for 3-4 months in the Summer?
Abrignac Offline
#108 Posted: Sat, Sep 9 2017, 8:16 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
isn't it"s far more common use to staff restaurants on Cape Cod for 3-4 months in the Summer?



Wouldn't know. But, the IT field is seasonal or seasoned for that matter.
delta1 Offline
#109 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 6:26 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm still puzzled by the evil 1% thing... These are the guys that employ millions of tax paying property owners right..?? Yet they are the bad guys.. what if they took their money and closed up shop..?? Mellow



There is a difference between big businesses that contribute to society, like you are talking about, and SOME big businesses that take big profits from hurting the average citizen in one way or another. These crooks, disguised as businessmen, took OUR money after closing up shop and left a contaminated mess that we all have to pay for and deal with for a long time, in some cases forever...

Look up "superfund sites" and see the number of haz-mat sites (hundreds-scattered all across our nation) left by businesses that employed thousands of tax-payers. Examples are some mining and manufacturing businesses that destroyed the environment around their operations and when the bills come due, the owners/operators file bankruptcy after years of profit-taking, leaving all of us to pay for another devastated super fund site. Hurricane Harvey shined some light on the potential danger of several superfund sites in and around Houston.

Other examples are like Enron, who purposely misled their employees and customers before collapsing after conducting business recklessly and without regard for legal boundaries while driving up profits, salaries and bonuses for the top administrators. They drove up electricity costs for huge numbers of Americans by manipulating the market and supplies they controlled. Enron's collapse destroyed most of their thousands of employees' retirement savings, cost everyone billions of dollars in higher electricity bills and disrupted the power grid.

The biggest and scariest latest example is the banking and investment industry nearly collapsing the entire world economy. We wouldn't tolerate a business that is set up to profit from some criminal enterprise, right? Wrong...we do, because we hope that our capitalistic market will push the bad actors out before they do great harm.

It doesn't in many cases, as a look at our history proves. We need government to regulate some businesses, especially those that can and have caused great harm. The problem is that many conservatives don't want regulation until after the catastrophes, some of which could've been prevented, and then after we have forgotten they want to remove the regulations.

So the Trump administration has reversed many regulations on myriad businesses...and is preparing to derail the Dodd-Frank Act and the Consumer Protection Agency, and yet we have been distracted by this issue involving 800K kids...another "squirrel" moment...
frankj1 Offline
#110 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 6:36 PM EST
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Goldman Sachs, back in control

I knew he meant strain, not drain, the swamp

I know, wrong thread, wrong audience...but true.
delta1 Offline
#111 Posted: Mon, Sep 11 2017, 6:44 PM EST
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yeah, couldn't help myself after seeing all the hysteria over 800K kids while Dodd-Frank and the Consumer Protection Agency is being dismantled...the former is a minor problem that can be resolved and it pales in comparison to the latter, which will imperil us all in more serious and sinister ways...
DrafterX Offline
#112 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 8:31 AM EST
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is this one of them 'sky is falling' things..?? Huh
bgz Offline
#113 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 8:50 AM EST
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Technically, most of these "dreamers" aren't even children are they? People keep telling us to think of the children on this one.

Al may be right, there may be a money grab coming, hide your wallets!
delta1 Offline
#114 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 12:18 PM EST
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and don't trust your banks and investment companies...I don't think Wells Fargo is the only rogue among that group...the investigators looking into WF keep uncovering more despicable practices on a larger scale than first reported...they are all run and managed by very intelligent people who are continually looking for ways to maximize returns, even if it'll screw the average person...
delta1 Offline
#115 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 12:20 PM EST
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...dayum...I hope I'm not coming across as hysterical...
frankj1 Offline
#116 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 12:45 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Technically, most of these "dreamers" aren't even children are they? People keep telling us to think of the children on this one.

Al may be right, there may be a money grab coming, hide your wallets!

I didn't snopes it (HA!) but I think only people who got here as kids before 2007 qualify...or something like that.

It would be interesting to see if any minds change if any of us knew the real deal. You and I might reverse positions, but who really cares anyway?
DrafterX Offline
#117 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 12:47 PM EST
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The real deal..?? You can't handle the real deal..!! horse
frankj1 Offline
#118 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 12:56 PM EST
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true, true
DrafterX Offline
#119 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 1:03 PM EST
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Laugh
frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 1:06 PM EST
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come join me in Liberal Paradise

unlimited cheese, unlimited data plans...
DrafterX Offline
#121 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 1:11 PM EST
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They call it paradise..
I don't know why..
You call someplace paradise,
kiss it goodbye.... Whistle Whistle
frankj1 Offline
#122 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 6:10 PM EST
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I even hired an illegal to drive to New Hampshire and vote for the chillins in this poll.
That's how sure I am.

cost me more than in the Primary to buy a vote for Bernie!
Speyside Offline
#123 Posted: Tue, Sep 12 2017, 10:39 PM EST
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Yews messing with the truth again Frank?
frankj1 Offline
#124 Posted: Wed, Sep 13 2017, 7:48 AM EST
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cross thread outrage
Abrignac Offline
#125 Posted: Wed, Sep 13 2017, 5:49 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
cross dress outrage


Freak
frankj1 Offline
#126 Posted: Wed, Sep 13 2017, 6:27 PM EST
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excellent!
Speyside Offline
#127 Posted: Wed, Sep 13 2017, 10:54 PM EST
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LMAO!
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