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The religion of peace
teedubbya Offline
#101 Posted:
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I'm sorry
DrMaddVibe Offline
#102 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm sorry


Hello sorry.
tailgater Offline
#103 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
That says more about the people who voted for him than most would like to consider


Yes.
And No.

People call Trump racist for the same reasons. Good marketing.
Trump could have trademarked Crooked Hillary it because so popular.
And the media runs with "Trump is racist" so hard and so often that it becomes ingrained.

Nobody wants to hear that they're being manipulated by the media. But don't be so naive.
Look at all those people who quote Trump as claiming he could kill someone in times square and still get elected.
Yet, he NEVER said it.

I agree that a lot of stupid rednecks probably voted for trump. Just like a lot of pretentious socialists probably voted for Crooked Hillary.

Elections are frequently won or lost with a single moment.
Romney's 47%
It's the Economy Stupid
Algore's meltdown during the debate
Dukakis in the tank.
Ed Muskie crying.


Trump is an idiot.
But he's done nothing nearly as stupid as hill dogs Basket of Deplorables.

Not even close.


delta1 Offline
#104 Posted:
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Funny how we notice that other people's dogs stink, but never the stink on our own dogs...
tailgater Offline
#105 Posted:
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True dat.
MACS Offline
#106 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Funny how we notice that other people's dogs stink, but never the stink on our own dogs...


I don't even have a dog... and my cat doesn't stink. She's very fastidious about her fur.
victor809 Offline
#107 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:

Nobody wants to hear that they're being manipulated by the media. But don't be so naive.



Ironic given the entire thread was started by Z posting a false news story.
frankj1 Offline
#108 Posted:
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tail wrote:
Just like a lot of pretentious socialists probably voted for Crooked Hillary.

I swear I did not vote for that woman.
victor809 Offline
#109 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:

Look at all those people who quote Trump as claiming he could kill someone in times square and still get elected.
Yet, he NEVER said it.





Um. Yes he did. I've seen the video.
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-comment/
DrafterX Offline
#110 Posted:
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That was Alec Baldwin... Not talking
bgz Offline
#111 Posted:
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Ya, trump needs to tell less jokes... cause you know, libs don't joke and stuff.

Anyway, I've seen the Alec Baldwin version of trump, IMO it kinda sucks.

Best trump I've heard is on this local radio show, nails it. Sometimes they have Frank Caliendo on there doing their respective trumps, our morning show guy's Trump is the best.
tailgater Offline
#112 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Um. Yes he did. I've seen the video.
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-comment/


Dude.
Without even opening the link I know what he said.

He said that "other people" were saying he could do it.

He never said that he could do it.


The difference isn't subtle.
You like to point out when people are idiots.
This would be that time. And the recipient would be you.


DrafterX Offline
#113 Posted:
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ya, but he was speculating he prolly could... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#114 Posted:
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Dude... you never listened did you.

He's talking about polls...yes. he says (loose quote as I don't want to keep listening over and over)
Polls say people voting for me a super smart!
You know what else the polls are saying? They're saying my voters are super loyal!
He then states that they are so loyal that he could shoot...blah blah you know the rest.

He isn't quoting a poll. He is saying polls are saying his fans are loyal. But the "shoot someone in 5th ave" is clearly his own creation.

I'll tell you what. You find a poll done before that quote asking people if they will still vote for him after he shoots someone and I'll agree you're right....
teedubbya Offline
#115 Posted:
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Even if he did say other people ... and trump often knows what "people are saying" .... why are people so eager to parse things...


You have a lovely family. I hear people saying if you testify that your family could be in danger. I'd hate to see something bad happen to them.
DrafterX Offline
#116 Posted:
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Obama could never pull that off... he just didn't have it... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Obama could never pull that off... he just didn't have it... Mellow



I heard in the bath houses he pulled lots of things off. He was voter best puller offer
DrafterX Offline
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sounds about right... but I think he went by Barry then.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#119 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Dude... you never listened did you.

He's talking about polls...yes. he says (loose quote as I don't want to keep listening over and over)
Polls say people voting for me a super smart!
You know what else the polls are saying? They're saying my voters are super loyal!
He then states that they are so loyal that he could shoot...blah blah you know the rest.

He isn't quoting a poll. He is saying polls are saying his fans are loyal. But the "shoot someone in 5th ave" is clearly his own creation.

I'll tell you what. You find a poll done before that quote asking people if they will still vote for him after he shoots someone and I'll agree you're right....


And you show me a quote where Trump says he could kill people without prefacing it with "they say", and I'll agree that you spend way too much time trolling.
Hell.
I'll do that anyway.


On a serious note, I'm disappointed that someone who typically pays attention to the details is so willing to ignore the facts simply because...
well..
Trump.

He won, ya know.

But keep up the good work and Hillary might include you in her next book.
tailgater Offline
#120 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:


You have a lovely family. I hear people saying if you testify that your family could be in danger. I'd hate to see something bad happen to them.


TW is endangering someones family!!


Yes.
That is precisely what victor would read into this.
If, you know.
It was about Trump.


victor809 Offline
#121 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
And you show me a quote where Trump says he could kill people without prefacing it with "they say", and I'll agree that you spend way too much time trolling.
Hell.
I'll do that anyway.

On a serious note, I'm disappointed that someone who typically pays attention to the details is so willing to ignore the facts simply because...
well..
Trump.

He won, ya know.

But keep up the good work and Hillary might include you in her next book.


Point out a single fact I'm ignoring tail. Your desire to defend the idiot is insane.

No one at all has said that he has shot anyone on 5th ave...
What he is being accused of: Trump is being accused of stating that he could shoot someone on 5th ave and not lose any voters.... that's all he's being accused of. Essentially the accusation is that he said his voters don't care about whether he's a criminal or a disgusting human being, they will vote for him.

What he actually said:
"'...And trump returns the respect by recognizing regular hard working americans are a lot smarter than any of the ideological eunuchs in all of their pontificating glory.' It's true... the people... my people are so smart. and you know what else they say about my people? The polls, they say I have the most loyal people. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters. Ok? It's like incredible. No, they say... we love you too man... the say Trumps voters by far... you know I'm at 68, 69 percent. I'm at 90% total. Like 'will you say absolutely' I think it's like 68 or 69 percent. 'Will you most likely stay' I think that gets into the 90s and the other guys are at like 10 a guy like Jeb Bush he's a nobody..."

Read that carefully tail. He's quoting an article at the beginning. (I added ' ' marks to delineate) Then he stops. He starts referencing the polls. The polls say his voters are loyal. The polls do NOT say he can shoot someone on 5th ave. He is stating, that the polls say his fans are so loyal, and exaggerates to state he could shoot someone on 5th ave and not lose any votes.

If the weather station said it was the hottest day on record today, and I then turned around and said "They say it's so hot I could boil water on the sidewalk"... are you gonna say I'm just quoting someone? No. Because I'm not trump and you're not that excited to try to defend my every word.

What's funny is it doesn't even matter that he said it. There is literally nothing wrong with him being accused of saying he has very loyal voters. It isn't his fault that his voters are that dumb. It's outrageous he said it, and openly acknowledged that his voters don't care what he did. But it's true... probably the only true thing he has said. I mean, the guy literally stated that he enjoys sexual assault and they voted for him. No one actually thinks they'll blink at him murdering someone.

But here's tail... triyng to defend him... for what? To say he doesn't believe his voters are that loyal? Because that's already been proven wrong multiple times. Choose your battles better tail. He said this. It doesn't even matter that he did.
DrafterX Offline
#122 Posted:
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Then why are your panties all in a knot over it..?? oh ya, it's Trump... Mellow
MACS Offline
#123 Posted:
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This thread isn't even about religion.

I object to this whole line of argument!!
tailgater Offline
#124 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Point out a single fact I'm ignoring tail. Your desire to defend the idiot is insane.


What he actually said:
"'...And trump returns the respect by recognizing regular hard working americans are a lot smarter than any of the ideological eunuchs in all of their pontificating glory.' It's true... the people... my people are so smart. and you know what else they say about my people? The polls, they say I have the most loyal people. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters. Ok? It's like incredible. No, they say... we love you too man... the say Trumps voters by far... you know I'm at 68, 69 percent. I'm at 90% total. Like 'will you say absolutely' I think it's like 68 or 69 percent. 'Will you most likely stay' I think that gets into the 90s and the other guys are at like 10 a guy like Jeb Bush he's a nobody..."

.


Highlighted for your benefit.

Keep up the good work.

frankj1 Offline
#125 Posted:
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well, yeah tail, but "they" never said most of it...he just claimed it.
DrafterX Offline
#126 Posted:
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Define they... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#127 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
well, yeah tail, but "they" never said most of it...he just claimed it.


You're missing the point.

There is a NOT so subtle difference between what he did say and what victor claims he said.


For instance:

My friend Frank might say something like this:

"They call me the human tripod".

OK.
Bad example.
Nobody would ever say that except you.
frankj1 Offline
#128 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You're missing the point.

There is a NOT so subtle difference between what he did say and what victor claims he said.


For instance:

My friend Frank might say something like this:

"They call me the human tripod".

OK.
Bad example.
Nobody would ever say that except you.

now see, I think you keep missing it when you defend by saying "he never said it'

He is saying it Joe. He's been putting stuff out there for a long time now by claiming he's heard that this and that are being said. He said stuff on the campaign trail and during debates that started with "I get lots of phone calls from people telling me they love"... fill in the blank.

That is the same as being the first to say it, especially if he is lying about "they" saying it.

Not a technicality, but a cutesy way to say both good and bad about himself, depending on if he wants credit or sympathy.

Heading out for a smoke while making soup. Will be back but may have no fight in me.
frankj1 Offline
#129 Posted:
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and it's Frankie Tripod...capitalized
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tailgater wrote:
Highlighted for your benefit.

Keep up the good work.



I see the problem.
Ok. Tail. When the orange idiot says "they say"... he doesn't actually mean anyone has said anything to him. This is why I posted way earlier that if you found a single poll which asked if people would still vote for him after a 5th ave shooting spree, I'd agree with you. The poll doesn't exist. Since the poll doesn't exist the "they" doesn't exist.

Look at my example. I used the exact same structure.

Again... I don't see why you care. Even if he had dropped the "they say", it still isn't a big problem. his voters proved they have no problem with him enjoying a little sexual assault, there's no reason to doubt him when he says he can shoot someone.

This doesn't surprise anyone. For all his supporters wanted to complain that hillary was a criminal, they don't give a rat's azz about whether he commits any criminal activity... whether it be sexual assault, murder or emailing....
DrafterX Offline
#131 Posted:
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Speculation....Not talking
tailgater Offline
#132 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
now see, I think you keep missing it when you defend by saying "he never said it'

He is saying it Joe. He's been putting stuff out there for a long time now by claiming he's heard that this and that are being said. He said stuff on the campaign trail and during debates that started with "I get lots of phone calls from people telling me they love"... fill in the blank.

That is the same as being the first to say it, especially if he is lying about "they" saying it.

Not a technicality, but a cutesy way to say both good and bad about himself, depending on if he wants credit or sympathy.

Heading out for a smoke while making soup. Will be back but may have no fight in me.


Two sentences:

A. I could shoot someone and still win.

B. They say I could shoot someone and still win.


You're the wordsmith.
How can you not see the difference?


victor809 Offline
#133 Posted:
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... they say tail likes to eat the corpses of infants while diddling himself.

I mean... I don't say it. But people totally say it and I'm just repeating what I heard.

...psst.... there's no "they". You find the "they" and I'll say you're right.


DrafterX Offline
#134 Posted:
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People cheered and stuff.. they could be they cause they agreed with they.

Mellow
victor809 Offline
#135 Posted:
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Im sure they agreed. Hell I agree with both theys... I believe the people who voted for Trump would have still voted for him if he shot someone.... probably would have even gotten more votes if he shot someone in New York city.

I also believe the they who say tail eats infant corpses...

Point is Trump said it. He wasn't relating anything anyone said to him. He does this frequently... he may hear something "your polls are great on loyalty. " and then he turns it into something else "they say I have fans who are so loyal I could sodomize their mothers and they'll still vote for me".... this has been a common narrative device he has used throughout his campaign.
tailgater Offline
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Oh boy.

frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Two sentences:

A. I could shoot someone and still win.

B. They say I could shoot someone and still win.


You're the wordsmith.
How can you not see the difference?



A- pretty clear to both of us. Statement initiated by speaker.

B- not sure what you don't get...so let's try this.
Frank: "I hear they say I have a wonderful peeenuts"...but Frank made it up and attributed the words to an imaginary gang of groupies.
That's basically the same as Frank initiated the story about the peenuts, but cleverly making it sound like he's quoting others.

Any chance you have the source Trump is quoting?
victor809 Offline
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Don't bother frank. I used the same argument 3 times already... and offered to say he was right if he could identify the poll in question (if Victor saying he's wrong and you're right isn't incentive I don't know what is)...

frankj1 Offline
#139 Posted:
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but Victor, I actually know Joe. He's also like a genius.
victor809 Offline
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... he certainly doesn't play one on cbid.
DrafterX Offline
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Fatty Fat Fat called Trump a Dotard.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Fatty Fat Fat called Trump a Dotard.. Mellow

I KNOW!
said he's deranged too.
DrafterX Offline
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Them's fighting words.. Mad
frankj1 Offline
#144 Posted:
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any idea what dotard means?
what if it's a good thing?
DrafterX Offline
#145 Posted:
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I looked it up.. it's an old retard pretty much... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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Well if nothing else I guess Kim jong un has taught some Americans some english....
frankj1 Offline
#147 Posted:
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Delta, need a ruling...English, or Engrish?
I know you're not Korean but it looks the same to 98.2% of us.
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frankj1 wrote:
A- pretty clear to both of us. Statement initiated by speaker.

B- not sure what you don't get...so let's try this.
Frank: "I hear they say I have a wonderful peeenuts"...but Frank made it up and attributed the words to an imaginary gang of groupies.
That's basically the same as Frank initiated the story about the peenuts, but cleverly making it sound like he's quoting others.

Any chance you have the source Trump is quoting?


Trump said "they" and was talking about the groveling yes men that surround him.
The polls. his entourage. the freaky groupies.
THEY.
I never had the source back when he said it. The source doesn't matter because even if it never existed it doesn't change the context.


In your example from above, it doesn't mean that you honestly believe you have wonderful peeenuts. Nobody would think that's what you mean. Nobody. Absolutely nobody.
Nobody would question who "they" are. And nobody would ask for documented proof 11 months after the fact.
Because (dead horse coming) it doesn't matter.
The statement is what it was intended to be.






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tailgater wrote:
Trump said "they" and was talking about the groveling yes men that surround him.
The polls. his entourage. the freaky groupies.
THEY.
I never had the source back when he said it. The source doesn't matter because even if it never existed it doesn't change the context.


In your example from above, it doesn't mean that you honestly believe you have wonderful peeenuts. Nobody would think that's what you mean. Nobody. Absolutely nobody.
Nobody would question who "they" are. And nobody would ask for documented proof 11 months after the fact.
Because (dead horse coming) it doesn't matter.
The statement is what it was intended to be.







baloney.
tailgater Offline
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Cheese.
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