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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
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Perhaps the worst part about the NFL players taking a knee:

On one hand, they want to bring attention to a social injustice.
Of course, most do absolutely nothing else towards that cause. I guess taking a knee is cheaper.

On the other hand, they acknowledge that kneeling during the Anthem is viewed as disrespectful towards those who fought to keep the Flag flying.
And then they do it anyways.

Because their protest dujour is more important in their minds.



I hope this past weekend was just an anti Trump thing. Solidarity from the players.
If this continues it will be hard to support the league.

Even in liberal New England there was a loud chorus of boos when 16 Patriots knelt.

They have the right to do it.
Doesn't mean they should.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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True.. true... Just imagine them doing away with the anthem... That'd be exactly what Hillary would do.. Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#3 Posted:
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They can do what they want, but they are on the clock. The team owners that allow this level of disrespect and the entire NFL can go F**k themselves as well as any advertisers that support them.

I DGAF about the opinions or feelings of overpaid thugs that play a game for entertainment. I also believe those that worship sports figures are equally worthless morons. Allowing sports figures to get away with just about any crime, including murder, just because they can win a game. These fans and the thugs they worship are undermining society.
TMCTLT Offline
#4 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
They can do what they want, but they are on the clock. The team owners that allow this level of disrespect and the entire NFL can go F**k themselves as well as any advertisers that support them.

I DGAF about the opinions or feelings of overpaid thugs that play a game for entertainment. I also believe those that worship sports figures are equally worthless morons. Allowing sports figures to get away with just about any crime, including murder, just because they can win a game. These fans and the thugs they worship are undermining society.



Couldn't agree more Gene, these people who somehow live their lives vicariously through their " professional athletes " and SOMEHOW feel like more of a WINNER when that team wins....I've never understood ( nor do I want to )

Speyside Offline
#5 Posted:
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I enjoy sports, but I certainly don't need them.
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted:
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Or should have I said kneed.
Gene363 Offline
#7 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Or should have I said kneed.


RollEyes LOL
05busa Offline
#8 Posted:
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So disrespectful....they make millions and soldiers lost lives and limbs for this wonderful country. They should be fined Heavily each time they do it and proceeds should go towards a military cause.
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#9 Posted:
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05busa wrote:
So disrespectful....they make millions and soldiers lost lives and limbs for this wonderful country. They should be fined Heavily each time they do it and proceeds should go towards a military cause.


I would like to see a VFW or other military organization assemble a group of veterans (perhaps some in wheelchairs) to stand on the field immediately in front of the teams' benches while the national anthem is being played.

I completely agree the players have a right to do what they are doing. An employee of mine has the right to get a Satan tattoo on his forehead. But he won't be representing my business any longer.
TMCTLT Offline
#10 Posted:
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Krazeehorse wrote:
I would like to see a VFW or other military organization assemble a group of veterans (perhaps some in wheelchairs) to stand on the field immediately in front of the teams' benches while the national anthem is being played.

I completely agree the players have a right to do what they are doing. An employee of mine has the right to get a Satan tattoo on his forehead. But he won't be representing my business any longer.




Beer YESSIR
Ewok126 Offline
#11 Posted:
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I try my best to keep my thoughts to myself on things of this nature but since it seems to be in my face every damn place I turn, I get very angry, upset, sad, heart broke... The list goes on and on. I have had to stand beside women as tears roll down their face as their husband is wheeled off a plane with a flag draped over his coffin. Each time I see, hear or read about this kind of stuff these are the images that go through my mind. Most of my true friends are ex military, I know what they have went through and also know psychologically how it has changed them in such a way that its messed them up for the rest of their lives.

Now on the opposite I understand about wanting to be heard on the social injustices that have and are being done to a people. I understand wanting to take a stand for a just cause and stand and fight for those who was done wrong. Especially those that have lost their lives wrongly and the families that was left behind. When those kinds of things happen it also makes me just as angry, sad and heart broke.

Here is what I do not get, If lets say this was an anti Trump thing. That means the mentality is in order to show trump I am going to piss on the flag and our Anthem and those that have died for it because officers have done a great injustice I am going to piss on that woman's beliefs while she stands proud of her husbands sacrifice that is crying while her husband he is wheeled of a plane in a pine box because the President said something I disagree with? The officers that have done wrong and the president that you think have done wrong is not the ones who have died for that flag. They have not come home mentally broken.

One of my things back in the day, I would go to churches of different denominations. I like to see and learn of multiple religions to come to my own conclusions. While at one church during service a mixed race couple came in to attend. They had never been to this church but like me was looking for a place to worship. So because of the fact of them being a mixed race couple they was asked to leave. My Jaw hit the floor, In my personal beliefs I do not give a crap about race creed ect. All should be welcome in the house of god. My thought is we are all created in gods image and to turn away a couple in a church because some people of that region think mixed race is wrong and yet you are there to teach and worship. It made me sick literally. I could only imagine how it made the couple feel. To also know that because I am there most would think I am associated with that group of people or that church. That really made me very sick to know that if that couple should recognize me they would think that I feel the same way because that is human nature.

So here is my thinking, if I should have the same mentality of those that kneel, since some of the people of that church was very much in the wrong in my opinion, In my mind a great injustice was done to those people that was asked to leave. Should I pick up a Bible and piss on it, show disrespect to god and all people of that religion to make a point? Not all of the people of that religion feel or think that way, Not all of churches of that denomination feel or think that way. This is the mentality I feel that those that kneel have. I also think that the more coverage, the more people pay it attention, the more people argue about it, The more that people hop on one side or the other, the more its going to happen.

To many people also view this as a race thing on both sides in allot of ways. In my honest opinion this is why racism will never go away. Racism will keep growing like a cancer and could very well be the death of us all. Especially if both sides keep feeding it. This is toxic on so many levels that it sickens me.

In closing I will say this, My thinking could be wrong for most, for me its not but that still does not make my thinking right as a whole. All I can say is it is right for me, that is how I strongly feel and I do not expect or demand any one to think and feel as I do. If any one disagrees I do not see them as ignorant or stupid or even feel that they are but that does not mean that I need to go out and disrespect the majority of this nation, just because our president, or police officers have done something or said something I think is wrong or that I disagree with. I feel that is exactly what they are doing no matter how one sugar coats it.

In the words of my buddy Forest Gump. That is all I am going to say about that!
05busa Offline
#12 Posted:
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Ill drink to that also
Speyside Offline
#13 Posted:
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Chris, I think many Americans feel the same way. Certainly many here do, including me.
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#14 Posted:
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NFL national anthem flap sees Steelers coach Mike Tomlin rap Alejandro Villanueva

For Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, being “respectful of our football team” trumped the right of Steelers offensive tackle Alejandro Villanueva to show respect for the national anthem.

A former Army Ranger, Villanueva was the only Steeler to break from the team's orders and come out of the tunnel Sunday in Chicago to stand for "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Speaking after his team's 23-17 loss to the Bears, Tomlin appeared to take a swipe at the Bronze Star recipient's decision.

“Like I said, I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team,” Tomlin said.

Tomlin told the media that, prior to kickoff Sunday, the Steelers held a team meeting and decided, though not unanimously, to not come out of the locker room for the national anthem. Tomlin added the intent was to have his team focus on the game and not President Trump’s comments blasting players who chose to protest during the playing of "The Star-Spangled Banner."

“Many of them felt like something needed to be done. I asked those guys to discuss it and whatever they discussed that we have 100 percent participation or we do nothing,” Tomlin said after the game. “They discussed it for an appropriate length of time and they couldn’t come to an understanding, so they chose to remove themselves from it. They were not going to be disrespectful in the anthem so they chose not to participate, but at the same time many of them were not going to accept the words of the president.”

Villanueva, who served three tours in Afghanistan, decided to stand his ground instead and placed his hand over his heart while the anthem played.

“We’re not politicians. We’re coaches and professional athletes," Tomlin said Sunday. "If those of us or individuals choose to participate in politics in some way I’m going to be supportive of that. But when we come out of locker rooms, we come out of locker rooms to play football games."

There appeared to be some confusion in the Steelers locker room after Villanueva came out of the tunnel for the anthem.

Offensive tackle Chris Hubbard told Penn Live that the players, by a slim majority, voted in favor of staying off the field instead of standing on the sideline holding hands.

We thought we were all in attention with the same agreement, obviously," linebacker James Harrison told the website. "But, I guess we weren't."

Hubbard, however, said everyone in the locker room accepted that Villanueva would be exempt from the team's decision.

"Al was cool with it, with whatever we went through. He was on board. That's Al, man," Hubbard said. "He's a good guy."

Villanueva has previously spoken out about former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick’s decision to sit and kneel during the national anthem, saying his actions may “send the wrong message.”

“I don’t know if the most effective way is to sit down during the national anthem with a country that’s providing you freedom, providing you $16 million a year...when there are black minorities that are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for less than $20,000 a year," Villanueva told ESPN in 2016.

He added: “I will be the first one to hold hands with Colin Kaepernick and do something about the way minorities are being treated in the United States, the injustice that is happening with police brutality, the justice system, inequalities in pay. You can’t do it by looking away from the people that are trying to protect our freedom and our country.”

Broncos defensive end Derek Wolfe also told ESPN he would be standing during the national anthem Sunday because he wanted to be "paying tribute to the men and women who have given their lives for our freedom."

"I stand because I respect the men who died in real battle so I have the freedom to battle on the field...but everyone these days likes to find a reason to protest and that’s their right," Wolfe told ESPN, according to The Washington Post.

TMCTLT Offline
#15 Posted:
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Ewok126 wrote:
I try my best to keep my thoughts to myself on things of this nature but since it seems to be in my face every damn place I turn, I get very angry, upset, sad, heart broke... The list goes on and on. I have had to stand beside women as tears roll down their face as their husband is wheeled off a plane with a flag draped over his coffin. Each time I see, hear or read about this kind of stuff these are the images that go through my mind. Most of my true friends are ex military, I know what they have went through and also know psychologically how it has changed them in such a way that its messed them up for the rest of their lives.

Now on the opposite I understand about wanting to be heard on the social injustices that have and are being done to a people. I understand wanting to take a stand for a just cause and stand and fight for those who was done wrong. Especially those that have lost their lives wrongly and the families that was left behind. When those kinds of things happen it also makes me just as angry, sad and heart broke.

Here is what I do not get, If lets say this was an anti Trump thing. That means the mentality is in order to show trump I am going to piss on the flag and our Anthem and those that have died for it because ( SOME a small number by comparison to how many serve ) officers have done a great injustice (while MANY WHITES are also killed wrongfully on an annual basis ) by LEO's ONLY the Black lives lost apparently are important and really matter. ( @ least that's what were all left to think ) I am going to piss on that woman's beliefs while she stands proud of her husbands sacrifice that is crying while her husband he is wheeled of a plane in a pine box because the President said something I disagree with? The officers that have done wrong and the president that you think have done wrong is not the ones who have died for that flag. They have not come home mentally broken.

One of my things back in the day, I would go to churches of different denominations. I like to see and learn of multiple religions to come to my own conclusions. While at one church during service a mixed race couple came in to attend. They had never been to this church but like me was looking for a place to worship. So because of the fact of them being a mixed race couple they was asked to leave. My Jaw hit the floor, In my personal beliefs I do not give a crap about race creed ect. All should be welcome in the house of god. My thought is we are all created in gods image and to turn away a couple in a church because some people of that region think mixed race is wrong and yet you are there to teach and worship. It made me sick literally. I could only imagine how it made the couple feel. To also know that because I am there most would think I am associated with that group of people or that church. That really made me very sick to know that if that couple should recognize me they would think that I feel the same way because that is human nature.

So here is my thinking, if I should have the same mentality of those that kneel, since some of the people of that church was very much in the wrong in my opinion, In my mind a great injustice was done to those people that was asked to leave. Should I pick up a Bible and piss on it, show disrespect to god and all people of that religion to make a point? Not all of the people of that religion feel or think that way, Not all of churches of that denomination feel or think that way. This is the mentality I feel that those that kneel have. I also think that the more coverage, the more people pay it attention, the more people argue about it, The more that people hop on one side or the other, the more its going to happen.

To many people also view this as a race thing on both sides in allot of ways. In my honest opinion this is why racism will never go away. Racism will keep growing like a cancer and could very well be the death of us all. Especially if both sides keep feeding it. This is toxic on so many levels that it sickens me.

In closing I will say this, My thinking could be wrong for most, for me its not but that still does not make my thinking right as a whole. All I can say is it is right for me, that is how I strongly feel and I do not expect or demand any one to think and feel as I do. If any one disagrees I do not see them as ignorant or stupid or even feel that they are but that does not mean that I need to go out and disrespect the majority of this nation, just because our president, or police officers have done something or said something I think is wrong or that I disagree with. I feel that is exactly what they are doing no matter how one sugar coats it.

In the words of my buddy Forest Gump. That is all I am going to say about that!



Chris, I agree with much of what you put down here, but I think there's too much throwing an ENTIRE GROUP under the proverbial bus to attempt to try to calm the waters. And I'm sorry but Blacks are NOT the only ones wrongfully losing their live=s on our streets....their just the ones screaming the loudest and using race as some reason as to why their dying out there.
tailgater Offline
#16 Posted:
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F*ck Tomlin.

Whiny b1tch.
MACS Offline
#17 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
F*ck Tomlin.

Whiny b1tch.


Put your money where your mouth is. Stop following. You watch, you attend games, you're contributing to their livelihood and their platform.

I refuse to do so until this sh*t stops.
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted:
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This will blow over here in Patriots nation.

The 16 who knelt heard a resounding BOO.
Which means Kraft and Belichick heard it too.

Next week is the litmus test.
No. I won't stop watching. Just like I don't stop residing in Massachusetts simply because Frank's cronies pollute Beacon Hill. But I will let my opinion be known. Just like I do when Jets fans used to sit near us.
Back when there were still Jets fans.

Ewok126 Offline
#19 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Chris, I think many Americans feel the same way. Certainly many here do, including me.



Man Allen, I cant lie, every time I see this kind of thing I think about Wayne, He was the first grown hard soldier I knew. He was a friend of my fathers that I seen cry when I was a child because of what he had to do during Nam. I even remember the story he was telling at the time and I was only 7 years old. I will never forget it as long as I live. I think about my buddy Gary who has taken a bullet while fighting he got hit in the second Gulf War, He also served in the first Gulf War, he now works in the medical field to try and help as many people as he can because he feels he owes that because of what hes had to do while serving. Gary now has a disease that will shorten his life significantly. He is the kind of guy that even though he is slowly dyeing hes still putting others first and will for as long as his body will allow. I think about my wife's father who was in the 101st (Hamburger Hill) that we cant take out to an Asian restaurant because as soon as he sees a group of people that look of Asian decent he has flashbacks. I think about my nephew who is now laying his life on the line as I type this. It brings a tear to my eye and I have to say, It pisses me off so bad that I want to hurt people over it. I don't just want to hurt them I want them to suffer, and that in itself I know is wrong and because of that it pisses me off even more that I feel that way. I try my best to steer clear of these things because it hurts and the real messed up part of it is I have never been in the service. I have never had my best friends guts and brains blown up all over me because he tripped a mine. If I feel this way I can only imagine how Wayne, Gary, Kim, Pete my wife's father, and Buddy my nephew are so hurt by this kind of thing and then to turn around and see its not only the people that are kneeling but so many in this nation are supportive of such. I will never understand it.
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted:
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A more nuanced breakdown. But I don't expect any of the individuals here to read it or care...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4917542/PIERS-dare-call-sons-bitches-MrPresident.html?
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted:
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I got as far as "they deserve to be heard".

No.
They don't "deserve" anything outside of playing football for the 4 hour timeslot that fans and networks pay them to perform during.

If they want to use their vast wealth and celebrity soapbox outside of those hours, then go git'em Tiger.

Here is the sad FACT:
Most of those who "protested" by taking a knee for 1 1/2 minutes do NOTHING for their cause the remainder of the week.
Despite having the financial means to do so. And the offseason time.

Even Kaepernick was guilted into only after he was caught having a temper tantrum for being benched. Remember way back then? When he wasn't kneeling with a purpose, but just sitting on the bench with his head low. Because he was demoted to third string.
But when called out by the press, he claimed it was a protest. So he wouldn't look like the baby he was.
Genius in hindsight. But don't kid yourselves otherwise.

Ewok126 Offline
#22 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
A more nuanced breakdown. But I don't expect any of the individuals here to read it or care...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4917542/PIERS-dare-call-sons-bitches-MrPresident.html?



I read it Vic and I do care.
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#23 Posted:
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I appreciate it ewok. Most don't bother... heck look at tail who the instant the author suggests an athlete deserves anything ... stops reading. Because they aren't human beings I guess?... just toys to dance for his entertainment and once they stop being entertaining he throws a tantrum.

It's an interesting world we live in.
Abrignac Offline
#24 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
A more nuanced breakdown. But I don't expect any of the individuals here to read it or care...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4917542/PIERS-dare-call-sons-bitches-MrPresident.html?



You're right. I couldn't care less what a non-American has to say regarding what is proper flag etiquette.
TMCTLT Offline
#25 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
You're right. I couldn't care less what a non-American has to say regarding what is proper flag etiquette.



Especially that particular one....
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted:
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... you do know this isn't the actor who played james bond... right?
TMCTLT Offline
#27 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... you do know this isn't the actor who played james bond... right?



Wait...is that an attempt @ humor? FAIL

Piers Morgan is a TOOL...a useful tool for some but a TOOL nonetheless. You owe me for wasting my time with something Piers Morgan said.
RMAN4443 Offline
#28 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I appreciate it ewok. Most don't bother... heck look at tail who the instant the author suggests an athlete deserves anything ... stops reading. Because they aren't human beings I guess?... just toys to dance for his entertainment and once they stop being entertaining he throws a tantrum.

It's an interesting world we live in.


Speculation????Think
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted:
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That's the purpose of the word "guess" yes. Congrats you pass 1st grade level English.

...jesus you make me seriously question the education in this country....
RMAN4443 Offline
#30 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
That's the purpose of the word "guess" yes. Congrats you pass 1st grade level English.

...jesus you make me seriously question the education in this country....

Good........then I speculate(guess) my job here is done........You and I appear to have attended the same Alma Mater.....Pompous Ass You.....Not talking Not talking
streetrod Offline
#31 Posted:
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With my father awarded the bronze star in WWII, & losing close friends in the Vietnam war, I am sick over this crap. Enough is enough. They made their point!
We have had Giant tickets since 1955, and until yesterday, i never thought about boycotting or selling my tickets. I am giving it one more week & if the players do the same thing, i will not go to anymore games this year. I will eat the cost of the seats & will not give or sell them to anyone. I want my emply seats to show my support for the flag & this great country that lets these azzholes act this way.
Oh yeah Tomlin & Harrison are not good enough to shine the shoes of anyone in the service.
BTW this has nothing to do with the Giants being 0-3
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Good........then I speculate(guess) my job here is done........You and I appear to have attended the same Alma Mater.....Pompous Ass You.....Not talking Not talking


Sorry man. I get riled up sometimes from some of the same stuff I see over and over from the same names. Didn't mean to jump on you right off the bat... (that probably will come later, but after we've learned to hate each other with a passion).

my bad
DrafterX Offline
#33 Posted:
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You must hate me real good huh.. Mellow
victor809 Offline
#34 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
You must hate me real good huh.. Mellow


nah. I know you simply don't have the capability to know any better.
MACS Offline
#35 Posted:
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Bravo, streetrod. That's how you get your message across.

Stop supporting them with your $$$.
cacman Offline
#36 Posted:
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African-American males are only six percent of the United States population, but comprise nearly 70 percent of the players in the National Football League. And yet they are protesting racial inequality and justice. LMFAO Give me a f*ckin break. If you don't like it, get he f*ck out and go play football somewhere else. Protest on your own time.
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#37 Posted:
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I'm ok with the kneeling...I don't exactly like it, but I respect their right to do it. Somehow, it seems better than sitting, at least.

And, I suppose I'm ok with those that hide inside so they don't have to make a 'stand' one way or another. Hell, I'd be a hypocrite, otherwise....I have to admit that on more than a few occasions I stalled a few minutes to go outside until after morning colors....or hurried inside before evening colors
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#38 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
African-American males are only six percent of the United States population, but comprise nearly 70 percent of the players in the National Football League. And yet they are protesting racial inequality and justice. LMFAO Give me a f*ckin break. If you don't like it, get he f*ck out and go play football somewhere else. Protest on your own time.

Do black players on the Broncos get a hazardous duty bonus?
cacman Offline
#39 Posted:
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I've suggested before that the Broncos may have an unfair advantage in the NFL, but no one paid attention to that. Before pre-season started I chose not to watch the NFL because of this BS.

If the protesters really want to make a statement about racial inequality (especially in the workplace), they should give up their multi/thousand or million dollar contract to a white or Hispanic athletes to balance the hiring ratio.
Abrignac Offline
#40 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
I'm ok with the kneeling...I don't exactly like it, but I respect their right to do it. Somehow, it seems better than sitting, at least.

And, I suppose I'm ok with those that hide inside so they don't have to make a 'stand' one way or another. Hell, I'd be a hypocrite, otherwise....I have to admit that on more than a few occasions I stalled a few minutes to go outside until after morning colors....or hurried inside before evening colors



I think all servicemen, myself included, have done that from time to time. But, 1) we don't make a spectacle of it, 2) If we do get caught with so much as a cubic inch of our body outdoors we turn around and face the flag at attention.

There is absolutely no reason at all that satisfies me when it concerns flag etiquette. Hell, even disabled veterans sit at attention in their wheel chairs without their fists in the air.

Victor I know exactly who you're talking about. So either you think I'm stupid or you're try to play me the fool. It's what I've come to expect that from you since it seems you've moved past intelligent dialog to the point of ridiculousness. *shoulder shrug*
cacman Offline
#41 Posted:
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"Freedom of Speech" my azz.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/21473/flashback-nfl-banned-teams-honoring-murdered-cops-ryan-saavedra
victor809 Offline
#42 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:

Victor I know exactly who you're talking about. So either you think I'm stupid or you're try to play me the fool. It's what I've come to expect that from you since it seems you've moved past intelligent dialog to the point of ridiculousness. *shoulder shrug*


You didn't say "that particular one", so I wasn't asking you if you knew who I was referring to.

You don't want to listen to a non-american's opinion... that's fine. Probably a corollary to the cbid location rule.

If you bother to read the article tho, he points out that he originally had the opinion you did, and after CK altered his protest method, he altered his opinion.

But that's fine.
JadeRose Offline
#43 Posted:
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I think people enjoy feeling outrage and "moral superiority".





Here's an idea......TURN OFF YOUR F*CKING TV. I went fishing on Sunday. Had a great day and was very relaxed. Couldn't possibly care any less about football anymore. A couple of years ago I made the realization that I simply had better things to do.
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JadeRose wrote:
I think people enjoy feeling outrage and "moral superiority".





Here's an idea......TURN OFF YOUR F*CKING TV. I went fishing on Sunday. Had a great day and was very relaxed. Couldn't possibly care any less about football anymore. A couple of years ago I made the realization that I simply had better things to do.


I think I've watched 5 football games in my lifetime.


But I haven't truthfully found anything better to do either... so I guess it's a wash.
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cacman wrote:
"Freedom of Speech" my azz.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/21473/flashback-nfl-banned-teams-honoring-murdered-cops-ryan-saavedra





I remember the cleats thing but didn't know about the planned Dallas Cops tribute.. Mellow
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Interesting article Victor. I need to think about it.
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I don't give a crap what they do. I dont even care if they show the anthem on tv or who sits or stands. The only person I can control is me. They can do what they want. I choose not to be outraged.
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't give a crap what they do. I dont even care if they show the anthem on tv or who sits or stands. The only person I can control is me. They can do what they want. I choose not to be outraged.


You better be outraged! Or drafter will sit on you!
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Just agree the NFL is hypocritical and we're cool.. Mellow
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