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Third party vote a wasted vote?
borndead1 Offline
#51 Posted:
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Third party? I didn't even know there was a second party. Huh
borndead1 Offline
#52 Posted:
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That whole "wasted vote" idea is a bunch of nonsense.

"Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"


To me, if you continue giving your vote to the same 2 parties (1 party) year after year and you still expect things to change, it is YOU who are wasting YOUR vote.

And there really is just 1 party. Ask yourself this: If Democrats and Republicans are really so ideologically opposed to each other, why does every really big piece of legislation always miraculously seem to get passed? Anything that puts more power in the hands of government, takes power away from the people, destroys our civil liberties, gives our tax dollars to corporations, gives our tax dollars to foreign countries, continues the perpetual war machine....etc. etc.....all that stuff miraculously seems to get passed. These people are frauds. They are all buddies! They went to the same Ivy League schools. Their kids go to private schools together. They are members of the same country clubs. They get money from the same corporations. A lot of their families are intermarried. They are only enemies when there is a camera on them and a microphone in front of their faces.

Our political system is the f**king WWE.
borndead1 Offline
#53 Posted:
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I have always voted third party and would continue to do so even if I knew with 100% certainty that a third party candidate would never ever win. Why? Because it only takes 10 minutes of my time to go to a polling station, vote AGAINST the 2 major parties, and tell them to f**k off. It's worth it to me. Beer
teedubbya Offline
#54 Posted:
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And then you can bitch about the person who actually won!
porschesales225 Offline
#55 Posted:
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I vote third party
bloody spaniard Offline
#56 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
I have always voted third party and would continue to do so even if I knew with 100% certainty that a third party candidate would never ever win. Why? Because it only takes 10 minutes of my time to go to a polling station, vote AGAINST the 2 major parties, and tell them to f**k off. It's worth it to me. Beer

Of course it is. You're a fine young man. Thank you for your service to our election process. I'm putting you in for a purple hard.Applause
borndead1 Offline
#57 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
And then you can bitch about the person who actually won!



Kang? Or Kodos?
teedubbya Offline
#58 Posted:
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Either. Consider it value added.
Homebrew Offline
#59 Posted:
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I vote third party mostly.

Yes I am one of those. I remember my grandfather telling someone, years ago, " A vote for the lessor of two evils, is still a vote for evil."

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)Beer
8trackdisco Offline
#60 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Republicans and Democrats have strong bipartisan support for the destruction of any 3rd party. There will never be a viable 3rd party until after the financial collapse of the USA.


So it will be in place for the next election?

Nice!
8trackdisco Offline
#61 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
As I stated above, you want to defeat your political enemy? You divide and conquer.
Not simply vote third party. I feel that just weakens your side.


You would actually affix your name to supporting one of the two major parties?

I can't fathom that.
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted:
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You don't have to fathom blood doing that, he already said he does it.
bloody spaniard Offline
#63 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Question: What to do about current state of sorry political affairs
Answer: Vote third party & sweep out fossilized, self serving dinosaurs
Problem: Libertarian- minded Republicans more prone to doing so than mainstream Democrats who tend to be somewhat Progressive & stay the line within the party. Reagan(R) being the exception. He actually swayed normally loyal Democrats to vote for him.
Example: Note Cuccinelli (R) vs. McCauliffe (D) race in Virginia- third party Libertarian candidate drawing votes from Republican bloc, thus almost assuring Democrat upset victory due to split vote on 11/5/13. It can be argued that Perot did same to Bush Sr. AND Dole allowing Slick to waltz in both times. Exception being Ralph Nader's Green Party vote in Florida which may have had some deleterious effect on Ozone Gore's Democrat margin by sapping liberal votes & enabling the affable buffoon Bush jr. to prevail.




...and that's exactly what happened, a sleazy, snake oil Clinton operative is now governor of Virginia thanks to mostly No. Virginia carpetbaggers who voted Libertarian.
Well done, Virginians. Now prepare for more taxes, job outsourcing to Asia, plenty of carbon credits for thriving green businesses, and a few unnecessary road construction projects also subsidized by Tarp.Applause
DadZilla3 Offline
#64 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
...and that's exactly what happened, a sleazy, snake oil Clinton operative is now governor of Virginia thanks to mostly No. Virginia carpetbaggers who voted Libertarian.
Well done, Virginians. Now prepare for more taxes, job outsourcing to Asia, plenty of carbon credits for thriving green businesses, and a few unnecessary road construction projects also subsidized by Tarp.=d>

Hope and Change, Virginia style.

Meanwhile, in Pittsburgh 85% of the voters favored Bill Peduto, yet another Democrat (the last Republican mayor of Pittsburgh left office in 1934) who pledged to make Pittsburgh 'the next great American city' by investing in and renewing the neighborhoods. Read Section 8, HUD, and so on.

Hope and Change, Allegheny County style.
Gene363 Offline
#65 Posted:
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I will not be blackmailed into voting for another old guard republican. If a dead dog runs against Lindsey Graham in SC it will get my vote.

FUVM republican party, strong letter to follow. horse horse horse


PS: If it is humanly possibly, I dislike the democrat party even more.
jackconrad Offline
#66 Posted:
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The problem is that The Republican and Democrat Parties are the 3rd and 4th party.

We don't need to get rid of the Parties we need to get rid of the Clowns who hijacked the parties,,

Republicans you are the Party of Linclon , Eisenhour and Reagan

Democrats you are Party of Kennedy and Roosevelt

Throw out these pretenders and restore the pride in your party principles and our country !
bloody spaniard Offline
#67 Posted:
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The corrupt Virginia Democrat beat the "nice pro-life Republican" by only 8,500 votes...
The soccer moms voted socialist (again). The Libertarians screwed him. The Republican party abandoned him but now celebrate the RINO pos in NJ.

Oh well. voters act like scum, now they'll get treated like scum.Applause Frying pan


Beer
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The corrupt Virginia Democrat beat the "nice pro-life Republican" by only 8,500 votes...
The soccer moms voted socialist (again). The Libertarians screwed him. The Republican party abandoned him but now celebrate the RINO pos in NJ.

Oh well. voters act like scum, now they'll get treated like scum.Applause Frying pan


Beer



Yea you should be the only one allowed to vote since all the other people suck so bad and are not worthy of your greatness.
bloody spaniard Offline
#69 Posted:
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jackconrad wrote:
The problem is that The Republican and Democrat Parties are the 3rd and 4th party.
We don't need to get rid of the Parties we need to get rid of the Clowns who hijacked the parties,,
Republicans you are the Party of Linclon , Eisenhour and Reagan
Democrats you are Party of Kennedy and Roosevelt
Throw out these pretenders and restore the pride in your party principles and our country !



You would think, Jack, but I think once our Constitution was practically abandoned in lieu of political correctness, bogus feel good issues, and corrupt cronyism all was lost. It was so gradual, we just didn't realize it until it was too late. Now the trolls have emerged from under the bridge and have taken over in public sight.
teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted:
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In related news the sky is falling
bloody spaniard Offline
#71 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Yea you should be the only one allowed to vote since all the other people suck so bad and are not worthy of your greatness.

I can always tell when you've got to tweak your meds. It affects your perception and ability to comprehend clearly so you lash out with personal vitriol.
That's ok. I understand. I forgive you.Beer
teedubbya Offline
#72 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I can always tell when you've got to tweak your meds. It affects your perception and ability to comprehend clearly so you lash out with personal vitriol.
That's ok. I understand. I forgive you.Beer


I was paying you a compliment you bassard. The way you vote is correct. Everyone else does it wrong.
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted:
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In a show of solidarity with blood imma gonna scream at some kids to get of my lawn.
bloody spaniard Offline
#74 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I was paying you a compliment you bassard. The way you vote is correct. Everyone else does it wrong.

Figures you would take the side of Democrats. Another pill and you'll be a Republican again.
Think
I think I like you better when you speak from both sides of your mouth & say nothing from your fencepost.
teedubbya Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Figures you would take the side of Democrats. Another pill and you'll be a Republican again.
Think
I think I like you better when you speak from both sides of your mouth & say nothing from your fencepost.


That's the last time I compliment you ya bassard. I think you are correct, no one should have voted third party. they should have called you first.

your fencepost talks?
DrafterX Offline
#76 Posted:
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Has anyone asked Ram yet..?? Huh
bloody spaniard Offline
#77 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
That's the last time I compliment you ya bassard. I think you are correct, no one should have voted third party. they should have called you first.
your fencepost talks?

I really don't give a damn other than the better candidate and a good man was beaten by a slimy Clinton political operative.
But the people voted him in so now they can suffer the ramifications of their actions like children who play with matches. They want to turn Virginia into paradises like DC and Maryland.

You forget I live in Maryland. We have left-wing cafeteria lady trolls running this state into the ground. Been that way mostly since Mandel and Spiro. So you see, all we get are corrupt Democrat wannabe Republicans or the usual liberal Chesapeake Democrat flotsam.

In your honor, Mr. Fencepost, I will say that this illegal sanctuary sate is geographically beautiful & does good things for the poor, dispossessed, aged, young, and infirm. So it's not all bad. We pay for it with taxes from a Government populace that likes the short commute and an ever- shrinking business community.
bloody spaniard Offline
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I'm tired.
teedubbya Offline
#79 Posted:
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Sorry to hear about your shrinkage. Drafter says he found a pump that seems to help.
DrafterX Offline
#80 Posted:
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I said I found one.. I never said I used it.. Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#81 Posted:
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Maybe you can sell it to blood.
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#82 Posted:
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Yeah I believe that one Drafter..
bloody spaniard Offline
#83 Posted:
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The Republican party hates the Tea Party. That's why they abandoned Cuccinelli in Va. & embraced the rotund, Rino, Obama gal in NJ.
Good strategerie.ThumpUp
stogiemonger Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The Republican party hates the Tea Party. That's why they abandoned Cuccinelli in Va. & embraced the rotund, Rino, Obama gal in NJ.
Good strategerie.ThumpUp

I can only hope it blows up in their faces. The establishment hates outsiders of any ilk, especially the passionate ones with principles.
borndead1 Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
...and that's exactly what happened, a sleazy, snake oil Clinton operative is now governor of Virginia thanks to mostly No. Virginia carpetbaggers who voted Libertarian.
Well done, Virginians. Now prepare for more taxes, job outsourcing to Asia, plenty of carbon credits for thriving green businesses, and a few unnecessary road construction projects also subsidized by Tarp.Applause



As opposed to an extremist (yes, I used that word) social conservative who wants to regulate peoples' personal behaviour? Virginia was screwed either way. I'm glad the Libertarian got 7% of the vote. Hopefully the Libertarian candidate will get 14% of the vote in the next election.
teedubbya Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The Republican party hates the Tea Party. That's why they abandoned Cuccinelli in Va. & embraced the rotund, Rino, Obama gal in NJ.
Good strategerie.ThumpUp


The tea party has purpose as a fringe group that hopefully never gets the power to govern but does influence the governing party enough to get some fiscal responsibility.... ie they are best as an influence. They are a whacky radical bunch that would destroy the country in order to save it. They really are not the grass roots bunch they started as and are guided by their own puppet masters.
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teedubbya wrote:
The tea party has purpose as a fringe group that hopefully never gets the power to govern but does influence the governing party enough to get some fiscal responsibility.... ie they are best as an influence. They are a whacky radical bunch that would destroy the country in order to save it. They really are not the grass roots bunch they started as and are guided by their own puppet masters.



How is that any different than what is going on now?
teedubbya Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
How is that any different than what is going on now?


I guess it depends on what you beleive.
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Well, I voted for Savis and I'd do it again -- in fact, maybe I should have.

I do wish he'd gotten 10%, however. Regardless of which other numbskull won. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Cooch and the 'Christian Coalition' or whatever they're called nowadays. I gotta agree with TW -- Tea Party's success will be limited to raising the debt/spending dialog; but as long as they continue to paint themselves as extreme and/or obstructionist, their days are numbered -- or at least their influence is limited.

For years, going into major elections, I'd read up on issues and platforms. I've always felt that the Libertarian positions appealed very strongly to me. And them, I'd come to find out that nearly all their candidates turned out to be kooks, and I'd end up voting R. Not the case with Sarvis. Good guy who I'd be more than happy to support in the future.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Damn, you kids and your pipe dreams. Reminds me of Chis Farley in Tommy Boy. So much unbridled hope. So many dreams to fulfill. Look out world here we come... LOL

I also love seeing you get worked up. Good entertainment.
All together now: Tea Party and religion baaaahhhed. jester
teedubbya Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Damn, you kids and your pipe dreams. Reminds me of Chis Farley in Tommy Boy. So much unbridled hope. So many dreams to fulfill. Look out world here we come... LOL

I also love seeing you get worked up. Good entertainment.
All together now: Tea Party and religion baaaahhhed. jester



Nah just Islam
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Think
Speyside Online
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Good post to bring back drafter. And yes, I will be voting 3rd party since both Donald and Hillary are not worthy of my vote.
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Cthulhu in 2016

Why settle for a lesser evil?









J
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borndead1 wrote:
That whole "wasted vote" idea is a bunch of nonsense.

"Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"


To me, if you continue giving your vote to the same 2 parties (1 party) year after year and you still expect things to change, it is YOU who are wasting YOUR vote.

And there really is just 1 party. Ask yourself this: If Democrats and Republicans are really so ideologically opposed to each other, why does every really big piece of legislation always miraculously seem to get passed? Anything that puts more power in the hands of government, takes power away from the people, destroys our civil liberties, gives our tax dollars to corporations, gives our tax dollars to foreign countries, continues the perpetual war machine....etc. etc.....all that stuff miraculously seems to get passed. These people are frauds. They are all buddies! They went to the same Ivy League schools. Their kids go to private schools together. They are members of the same country clubs. They get money from the same corporations. A lot of their families are intermarried. They are only enemies when there is a camera on them and a microphone in front of their faces.

Our political system is the f**king WWE.



+1

Applause
Speyside Online
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^+2
dstieger Offline
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Well, Sunshine (wherever you are, Bloody), I'm agonizing once again. Cliff Hyra is a Libertarian candidate in the VA governor's race who seems to be a far cry from the some of the nutjobs of yesteryear. I like him and will vote for him, despite the fact that he'll be lucky to get 5% of the vote --- and, maybe more importantly, prolly equal to the gap between the near-Socialist Dem Northam, and the uninspiringly boring Gillespie. Unlike some races (last presidential?), I could vote R with a relatively clear conscience....but I will feel a lot better voting for the Lib who doesn't have a chance.
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Vote for the candidate which best represents your views. Besides.....it gives you the ability to say that you didn't vote for Dumb OR Dumber. Your conscience is clear.


It's nice to be able to say I wanted the Johnson in the last POTUS election.
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JadeRose wrote:



It's nice to be able to say I threw away my vote in the last POTUS election.




If you think so... Mellow
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No regrets here.
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