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bgz Offline
#51 Posted:
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Well, statistically, black cops are more likely to kill black civilians than any other race. Also statistically, black civilians are far more likely to kill other black civilians.

And the militant among them want to blame white people for everything, including slavery!!!

Of them that have their slave names still... Jones, James, Washington, etc....

Those are all English names... you know, the group of people who have enslaved almost all other races at some point in time... ya.

I'm pretty sure if you looked at the white cops who kill black people, they would probably be of English descent...

So... I think they should put the blame squarely where it belongs... the fkin English!!!

Ya, that didn't make any logical sense did it... neither do their dumb a$$ protests.

Statistics don't lie... the English will fk you over.
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#52 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
The duty of social disobedience is so very, very lost on the average American.......

Too bad for us Americans.




there should be a form or somethin... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted:
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Statistics and shakiras hips huh?

Y'all sure rush to discredit anything minorities claim or protest or whatever. They are always wrong, misguided or greedy. Everything is fine.

While it seems to be very important to discredit everything they do is there ever an instance when you line up behind one of their issues and say "you know what...they are right"?

Not all or every. But I've never seen it in here. It seems clear they are always wrong and their experiences are absurd and not worthy of consideration. After all we have statics showing their life experiences are not what they claim.

Ya know there may be merit so some of their claims and they may know more about their experiences than you. It might be something you can't picture or understand.

That doesn't mean they are always right or are taking the right approach but their experiences are worthy of consideration.
tailgater Offline
#54 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Statistics and shakiras hips huh?

Y'all sure rush to discredit anything minorities claim or protest or whatever. They are always wrong, misguided or greedy. Everything is fine.

While it seems to be very important to discredit everything they do is there ever an instance when you line up behind one of their issues and say "you know what...they are right"?

Not all or every. But I've never seen it in here. It seems clear they are always wrong and their experiences are absurd and not worthy of consideration. After all we have statics showing their life experiences are not what they claim.

Ya know there may be merit so some of their claims and they may know more about their experiences than you. It might be something you can't picture or understand.

That doesn't mean they are always right or are taking the right approach but their experiences are worthy of consideration.


Then again, maybe they're simply wrong but have been told they're the victim for so long that they finally believe it.

Not my personal opinion.
But certainly something that is backed by the statistics.

Not my statistical conclusion.
But by a real study. By a real professor. At a real University.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/no-racial-bias-police-shootings-study-harvard-prof/

Go figure.

bgz Offline
#55 Posted:
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Just read it, the professor himself was black. I'm guessing he was anticipating the data to show the opposite as he said he was shocked.

In any case TW, I've been racially profiled when I was younger... I don't know how many time's I've heard the "you match a description of so and so in the area".

I would be like... young, brown and hot am i right?

I didn't GAF... Just kept my hands where they could see them, talked respectfully, BOOM!!! on my way.

But I wasn't black though... though I've seen some of my white buddies back in school (early 90s) dressed all gansgsta and stuff get harassed a little more. One thing they had in common was that chip on their shoulder, the way they carried themselves, the disrespect...

People can sense when you hate them.

On another note, regarding racism... back then one of my highschool buddies (Hispanic) and his cousin were walking down the street in a black neighborhood and they got shot (his cousin killed) for their shoes. How stupid is that?

I think it's been hard for the black community to shake that whole gangsta rap thing, IMO gangsta rap fked over 2 or 3 generations of their people.

Growing up in the early 90's was pretty nuts, and I think gangsta rap had a lot to do with it. Seemed like almost everyone I knew was packing (not me though, I never tried to act gangsta), and my old neighborhood wasn't even that bad back then, lol.

In any case, it's probably a good thing that gansgsta rap is out of flavor with today's youth, and has brought a level of awareness to communities so things have been getting better (Compton anyone?).

With all that said, the statistics don't lie...

All you have to do is be respectful, don't sound like you have a chip on your shoulder, listen to directions, and keep your hands to wear they can see them. It really is that simple.
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#56 Posted:
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... now you know that's not true.
I can think of at least one reported instance where that didn't work so well for the guy being pulled over. If my memory serves the cop was not convicted as well.

Found it.... no indication that an elementary school teacher was anything but calm.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/06/philando-castile-killing-police-video-sparks-outrage-170621051241173.html

Doesn't mean all cops are bad... doesn't mean everyone shot by cops is bad. Doesn't even mean those statistics are wrong (this is the difference between statistics and a single experoence)... but there is a real preponderance of experiential evidence from people it is actually happening to to make one think.
bgz Offline
#57 Posted:
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Well, people will get shot by cops. Some of them are probably unfit to be cops.

I'm not arguing that, I'm arguing 1, you are more likely to win the lottery than to get killed by the police... well, I don't even need another point after that one.

Edit:

The one you pointed out, IMO he probably was unfit to be a police officer... oh and he wasn't even white.
teedubbya Offline
#58 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Then again, maybe they're simply wrong but have been told they're the victim for so long that they finally believe it.

Not my personal opinion.
But certainly something that is backed by the statistics.

Not my statistical conclusion.
But by a real study. By a real professor. At a real University.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/no-racial-bias-police-shootings-study-harvard-prof/

Go figure.




I wasn't thinking one specific instance or subject. I was talking ANY. Unless they are just always wrong.

Of course any group will be wrong sometimes. Some groups will be wrong more that they are right.
I'm not saying they are or are not in this instance especially based on one study. That's not my point.

It's the fact that they have never been correct as we rush to say in every single instance in here. We try really hard to find some truth or some positive aspect of some groups to the point we rationalize, but certain groups coming from a certain place are just always wrong. And typically they are groups we can not relate to, and have no idea what their experience is like. We like to think we know more about the subject than they do though. It's like telling Muslims we know more about Islam than they do and if they disagree with our assessment they are not doing it right. It's stupid but some believe it.


Now some dolts will interpret this as saying they are right or always right or some such nonsense.
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted:
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Hillary is always wrong... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted:
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I heard Hillary thinks drafter is dreamy.

Racism does exist in this country and always will to some extent. We have come along way but still have a long way to go. Racism goes many directions and its not just whites doing it, but that doesn't translate to whites don't do it. That also doesn't mean everything is racism or racist and that card is played to often. That doesn't mean it never should be or is always wrong. That's just used as a tool to deny or avoid and is just as bad as overuse of the race card.

If you always go to that cant be racism you have an issue and maybe you should think about that. If you always go to that is racism you have an issue and maybe you should think about that.
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted:
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You sure use that racist word alot... Think
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted:
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Only because you have a black avatar. Actually it's the avatar that lets me know you will accept me even though I'm black.
DrafterX Offline
#63 Posted:
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OhMyGod


I knew it was just a matter of time... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted:
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fo shizzle
JadeRose Offline
#65 Posted:
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#blackdoglivesmatter
Ewok126 Offline
#66 Posted:
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JadeRose wrote:
#blackdoglivesmatter



#AllDogLivesMatter

Sorry I could not resist, I have very little will power. (sigh) I am just a shell of a man.
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#67 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Think about what we're saying here.

The guy apologized because it may have appeared that he disrespected his teammates.
By respecting the Flag and the Anthem.

Let's let that sink in.



I did.


I'm outraged.
tailgater Offline
#68 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:


Racism does exist in this country and always will to some extent. We have come along way but still have a long way to go.


Know what I hate?
When people mention a problem, then blame the collective.

Racism exists? Shocker.
It's a problem? No doubt.
"We" have come a long way? We as a country? Absolutely.
We as in Me personally?
I'm not perfect, but I don't appreciate people telling me that I have to somehow do more.

Murder exists.
"We" have to do more about it as a country.
Doesn't mean that I do, on a personal level.
I'm not a murderer, just like I'm not a racist. I'm capable of either, but choose neither.

Time we get over ourselves and stop feeding the social crisis dujour.

DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted:
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Is a 'racist murderer' someone who kills because he's a racist or is it someone who hates racists..?? Think
teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Know what I hate?
When people mention a problem, then blame the collective.

Racism exists? Shocker.
It's a problem? No doubt.
"We" have come a long way? We as a country? Absolutely.
We as in Me personally?
I'm not perfect, but I don't appreciate people telling me that I have to somehow do more.

Murder exists.
"We" have to do more about it as a country.
Doesn't mean that I do, on a personal level.
I'm not a murderer, just like I'm not a racist. I'm capable of either, but choose neither.

Time we get over ourselves and stop feeding the social crisis dujour.




I'm sorry you take this so personally. We as a country have a long way to go is exactly what I meant. I hope this helps your outrage.
bgz Offline
#71 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm sorry you take this so personally. We as a country have a long way to go is exactly what I meant. I hope this helps your outrage.


I'm outraged... no one liked my post about the British.
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted:
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it doesn't matter until Ringo & Paul die... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted:
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just watch ringo and paul

BGZ

I'm glad your advice of "All you have to do is be respectful, don't sound like you have a chip on your shoulder, listen to directions, and keep your hands to wear they can see them. It really is that simple." has worked for you. But that doesn't always work, and I've had an experience where it didn't for me. It had nothing to do with me being black though.


And I really do believe every community and neighborhood is different and their relationship with the cops are as well. Not always the cops fault, not always the communities fault. Except for tail... this is directly about him and he needs to improve.


teedubbya Offline
#74 Posted:
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And your outrage is duly noted.
dstieger Offline
#75 Posted:
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Protests without clear, united message die a quick death when ignored. Put your outrage back in your closet and ignore it. It will all be over before you know it...even IF the tweeterinchief tries to keep it out front
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted:
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But but they are kneeling which is not politically correct. It must stop.
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted:
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What would Archie Bunker say..?? Think
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted:
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prolly Get out of my chair, Meathead!

you do realize that character was to demonstrate the absurdity of that line of thought not to glorify it don't you? Meathead
DrafterX Offline
#79 Posted:
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ya... good ole Archie... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#80 Posted:
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He is your hero huh?

I actually like his approach to drug dealers etc.
DrafterX Offline
#81 Posted:
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d'oh!

Drug dealers, anthem kneelers.. he woulda prolly said the same stuff... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#82 Posted:
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On March 28, 1995, O'Connor's adopted son Hugh committed suicide after a long battle with drug addiction. Following his son's death, O'Connor appeared in public service announcements for Partnership for a Drug Free America and spent the rest of his life working to raise awareness about drug addiction. O'Connor also successfully lobbied to get the state of California to pass legislation allowing family members of an addicted person or anyone injured by a drug dealer's actions, including employers, to sue for reimbursement for medical treatment and rehabilitation costs and other economic and noneconomic damages. The law, known as the Drug Dealer Civil Liability Act in California, went into effect in 1997. It is also referred to as the Hugh O'Connor Memorial Law. The act is based on the Model Drug Dealer Liability Act authored in 1992 by then Hawaii U.S. Attorney Daniel Bent. The Model Drug Dealer Liability Act has been passed in 17 states and the Virgin Islands. A website devoted to the Act can be found at: www.ModelDDLA.com. Cases have been brought under the Act in California, Illinois, Utah, and other states.

His son's suicide inspired O'Connor to start a crusade against the man who sold the drugs to Hugh. He called Harry Perzigian "a partner in murder" and a "sleazeball". Perzigian filed a defamation lawsuit against the actor. In 1997, a California jury threw out the case. In an interview on CNN's Larry King Live soon after the verdict, O'Connor said he would never be able to put his son's death behind him. "I can't forget it. There isn't a day that I don't think of him and want him back and miss him, and I'll feel that way until I'm not here any more," he said.
TMCTLT Offline
#83 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
He is your hero huh?

I actually like his approach to drug dealers etc.



I always found it interesting that people remember him more for his role as Archie than his role as a police chief ( Bill Gillespie ) in Sparta MS. where he was a true friend to the Black community.
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Tail, I hope your questions are rhetorical, TW'S meaning is quite clear.
bgz Offline
#85 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
just watch ringo and paul

BGZ

I'm glad your advice of "All you have to do is be respectful, don't sound like you have a chip on your shoulder, listen to directions, and keep your hands to wear they can see them. It really is that simple." has worked for you. But that doesn't always work, and I've had an experience where it didn't for me. It had nothing to do with me being black though.


And I really do believe every community and neighborhood is different and their relationship with the cops are as well. Not always the cops fault, not always the communities fault. Except for tail... this is directly about him and he needs to improve.




Hey, thanks for the response!!!

Well, I would say in the vast majority of circumstances, you will live through the situation if you follow those rules.

Most of the incidents that BLM are protesting are that of people who didn't follow those simple guidelines... Yes, you can find anomalies like victor did, but those are relatively rare, and I would argue that most of those were done by officers who were still a little green.
teedubbya Offline
#86 Posted:
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BGZ it's my understanding that many families teach their kids those very things out of necessity and the hope that they will live through the incident as a result. Nothing is foolproof though.... just ask this fool


TMCTLT - Archie was a character that was purposely not PC in an attempt to make fun of those that are not and was in reality in support of gays, blacks etc. The show in fact supported liberal ideas and archie was a joke. The folks that saw the character as right didn't get the joke.

Archie's place sucked, but in the heat of the night was very good IMO
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#87 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
BGZ it's my understanding that many families teach their kids those very things out of necessity and the hope that they will live through the incident as a result. Nothing is foolproof though.... just ask this fool


TMCTLT - Archie was a character that was purposely not PC in an attempt to make fun of those that are not and was in reality in support of gays, blacks etc. The show in fact supported liberal ideas and archie was a joke. The folks that saw the character as right didn't get the joke.

Archie's place sucked, but in the heat of the night was very good IMO



Gee and golly it's a good thing you esplained it to me or I'd never have gotten it. SARC

I find myself more often than not watching In the heat of the Night on MeTV out in my manhole in my shop while enjoying a cigar. Not because it's one of the few choices only having an htv signal....but because I THOROUGHLY enjoy the program and the messages that it brought forth.
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#88 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
Gee and golly it's a good thing you esplained it to me or I'd never have gotten it. SARC

I find myself more often than not watching In the heat of the Night on MeTV out in my manhole in my shop while enjoying a cigar. Not because it's one of the few choices only having an htv signal....but because I THOROUGHLY enjoy the program and the messages that it brought forth.



I just wasn't sure. You seemed to wonder why people think about Oconner as Archie rather than when he was a cop that was friendly with blacks. I think both characters were pro black or pro equality ultimately and known as such.

Archie was just an iconic character.
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#89 Posted:
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so you're not even gonna take a guess at what Archie's 'iconic character' might've said..?? you really don't have an imagination... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#90 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
so you're not even gonna take a guess at what Archie's 'iconic character' might've said..?? you really don't have an imagination... Not talking



you must have missed it


prolly Get out of my chair, Meathead!
DrafterX Offline
#91 Posted:
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close..

https://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=Pgzi80dVelA

Laugh
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#92 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
What would Archie Bunker say..?? Think

Shut up you Dingbat!..........

https://youtu.be/afvzQCQmTU4 LOL
tailgater Offline
#93 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Tail, I hope your questions are rhetorical, TW'S meaning is quite clear.


Yes. Quite clear.

I didn't know that racism existed until TW pointed it out.

We don't need Captain Obvious to tell us what is evil and what is good.
And we don't need the liberals to tell us that if we're white then we must be racist. If we demand an overpaid athlete stop disrespecting our flag then we are somehow blind to their perceived plight dujour.

I'll be at the game on Sunday in Foxboro.
And I will boo any Patriots that kneel.
Then I'll cheer on my team.

Because it's not about being outraged. I'm not.
It's about expressing my opinion. Which I'm being told is only OK if you're black in todays America.

teedubbya Offline
#94 Posted:
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do you have some way of directing your boo to the individual player.... otherwise you might hurt the others feelings and stuff. and you have been told repeatedly in here you can't express your opinion because you are not black. yet you keep doing it. stop it.

The drama on all this makes it move a little
tailgater Offline
#95 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
do you have some way of directing your boo to the individual player.... otherwise you might hurt the others feelings and stuff. and you have been told repeatedly in here you can't express your opinion because you are not black. yet you keep doing it. stop it.

The drama on all this makes it move a little


You'd be surprised how accurately I can direct my boo...

teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted:
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It's like a heat seeking boo?
Ewok126 Offline
#97 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You'd be surprised how accurately I can direct my boo...



Its like throwing your voice I think, I heard it takes allot of throat control and being able to hold back the gag reflex. Inquiring minds want to know how did you get so good at it? Gonz Gonz Gonz
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#98 Posted:
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if one boos or yells at someone to stand up during the playing of the National Anthem, is that disrespectful?
Ewok126 Offline
#99 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
if one boos or yells at someone to stand up during the playing of the National Anthem, is that disrespectful?



Humm good point, One might then think you are booing or yelling because they sung the Anthem. Think
tailgater Offline
#100 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
if one boos or yells at someone to stand up during the playing of the National Anthem, is that disrespectful?


You'd have to ask them.
And if they don't know the answer, you'll have to assume they love america.
Freedom of expression! Shut up!

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