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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Oct 11 2017, 11:52 AM EST
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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/16/birth-of-a-white-supremacist

Kind of an interesting article. The author tries interviewing the doxxed white supremacist troll Enoch, somewhere along the line the guy's parents contact the author and he interviews them.
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Oct 11 2017, 5:26 PM EST
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revolting...I was expecting a story of nurturance, not rebellion...
Abrignac Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Oct 11 2017, 8:41 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/16/birth-of-a-white-supremacist

Kind of an interesting article. The author tries interviewing the doxxed white supremacist troll Enoch, somewhere along the line the guy's parents contact the author and he interviews them.



The first 50 lines or so is gibberish. What part of that interesting?
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Oct 11 2017, 9:09 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
The first 50 lines or so is gibberish. What part of that interesting?

Seeing as the first 50 lines are a description of who Enoch is and a timeline how he became popular with white supremacists on the internet.... I'm not sure what you mean by "gibberish". Do you disagree with the description of who he is?

(I counted the first 50 lines btw just to be sure)
Abrignac Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Oct 11 2017, 10:13 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Seeing as the first 50 lines are a description of who Enoch is and a timeline how he became popular with white supremacists on the internet.... I'm not sure what you mean by "gibberish". Do you disagree with the description of who he is?

(I counted the first 50 lines btw just to be sure)
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I'm saying that the author uses language as a means to marginalize the person so much so, it's easy to label it a hit piece. As a result, a large percent of readers will dismiss it as propaganda, that would include me, and as such will never get to the meat of the article.

IMHO it would have been a much more readable article if it was absent the supercilious prose.

Though not always true to the practice, I do try to remember a quote from my persuasive writing professor: "Get in, state your case and get out."
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Oct 11 2017, 11:09 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
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I'm saying that the author uses language as a means to marginalize the person so much so, it's easy to label it a hit piece. As a result, a large percent of readers will dismiss it as propaganda, that would include me, and as such will never get to the meat of the article.

IMHO it would have been a much more readable article if it was absent the supercilious prose.

Though not always true to the practice, I do try to remember a quote from my persuasive writing professor: "Get in, state your case and get out."


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huh?

You're worried about marginalizing the guy? Of course it's written starting with this Enoch guy in a negative light.... he's a white supremacist.... He founded the website "therightstuff" (check it out... lots of threads about ch*nks and n***rs... https://forum.therightstuff.biz/)
He started the podcast the daily shoah... (apparently shoah is a term for the holocaust)

The article quotes him as saying (re blacks) "“I just feel sorry for them and see them as a social problem."
(re his interracial adopted brother "He’s only a quarter black,"
regarding whether his wife had "jewish traits" “The pushiness, this absolute inability to empathize with others, an exploitative personality. She didn’t have any of that.”


These are the people who should be marginalized.... The interesting part of the article was supposed to be the normal life he came from... the way the racist little sh%t started as an online troll trying to be racist ironically.... but seems to have accidentally become racist.... It's not intended to look at whether racism is good or bad.
Abrignac Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Oct 11 2017, 11:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
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huh?

You're worried about marginalizing the guy? Of course it's written starting with this Enoch guy in a negative light.... he's a white supremacist.... He founded the website "therightstuff" (check it out... lots of threads about ch*nks and n***rs... https://forum.therightstuff.biz/)
He started the podcast the daily shoah... (apparently shoah is a term for the holocaust)

The article quotes him as saying (re blacks) "“I just feel sorry for them and see them as a social problem."
(re his interracial adopted brother "He’s only a quarter black,"
regarding whether his wife had "jewish traits" “The pushiness, this absolute inability to empathize with others, an exploitative personality. She didn’t have any of that.”


These are the people who should be marginalized.... The interesting part of the article was supposed to be the normal life he came from... the way the racist little sh%t started as an online troll trying to be racist ironically.... but seems to have accidentally become racist.... It's not intended to look at whether racism is good or bad.



Let me put it a different way. The author is verbose.

Never been much on opinion pieces. I prefer succinct and factual.
cacman Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Oct 11 2017, 11:59 PM EST
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So CBid's resident race baiter decides to post a racial post after preaching to us about his moral superiority while quoting biblical scripture to defend his demeaning actions towards other BOTLs. All over bump stocks.

Bravo to the CBid Messiah!
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Oct 12 2017, 12:20 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
So CBid's resident race baiter decides to post a racial post after preaching to us about his moral superiority while quoting biblical scripture to defend his demeaning actions towards other BOTLs. All over bump stocks.

Bravo to the CBid Messiah!


Translation.... therightstuff.biz is his favorite website and he's upset this enoch guy is being badmouthed.
TMCTLT Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Oct 12 2017, 5:06 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
So CBid's resident race baiter decides to post a racial post after preaching to us about his moral superiority while quoting biblical scripture to defend his demeaning actions towards other BOTLs. All over bump stocks.

Bravo to the CBid Messiah!



Carl, Victor prefers this type of individual to surround himself with. UNMARGINALIZED


https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/video-gay-coffee-shop-owner-kicks-christians-out-of-his-shop?utm_source=cr-content&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cr-content-newsletter-default&utm_content=-link-101117-cr-content
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Oct 12 2017, 9:50 AM EST
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Like most of your statements that link has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You will remain an uninformed and useless person.
victor809 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Oct 12 2017, 9:53 AM EST
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And the idea that you think saying that having a "gay coffee shop owner " as a friend would be an insult suggests you find the idea of having a gay friend as a negative (unless you're against coffee shop owners).

That's a pretty bad stance to have...
TMCTLT Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Oct 12 2017, 10:11 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And the idea that you think saying that having a "gay coffee shop owner " as a friend would be an insult suggests you find the idea of having a gay friend as a negative (unless you're against coffee shop owners).

That's a pretty bad stance to have...


Did you watch the video? Or just flying by your seat? Don't dislike all homo's...and I'm sorry but won't play the " gay thing " game just to appease....but no nothing against them or coffee shop owners but that particular POS YES

Having this c*cksucker as a friend....would indeed be an insult. That POS should be friends with no one, but I'm not surprised you give this particular **** a pass. He's your kind of folks....THAT is a very bad thing.
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Oct 12 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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No I didn't watch the video. I did a search and got a number of summaries of the incident.

You stated in general the "type of individual to surround himself with" and then provided a video of a gay coffee shop owner... one who apparently kicked some people out for passing out pamphlets blaming abortions on gays.

Now... to me that means you either think I only befriend coffee shop owners, and have a problem with that. Or I only befriend gays, and have a problem with that... I'm pretty sure it isn't the first.

It also means that you don't have any concept of arguments, as this has nothing to do with the topic at hand...

"Hey, anyone interested in an article about how a white supremacist came to be a leader in these alt right websites?"

"Victor only likes to be friends with gays who are angry!"

.... it's like you found one video you feel justifies all your sensitive little feelings and you're positing it to every thread in an attempt to be validated....oh, wait... that's exactly what you did.
TMCTLT Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Oct 13 2017, 7:24 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
No I didn't watch the video. I did a search and got a number of summaries of the incident.

You stated in general the "type of individual to surround himself with" and then provided a video of a gay coffee shop owner... one who apparently kicked some people out for passing out pamphlets blaming abortions on gays.

Now... to me that means you either think I only befriend coffee shop owners, and have a problem with that. Or I only befriend gays, and have a problem with that... I'm pretty sure it isn't the first.

It also means that you don't have any concept of arguments, as this has nothing to do with the topic at hand...

"Hey, anyone interested in an article about how a white supremacist came to be a leader in these alt right websites?"

"Victor only likes to be friends with gays who are angry!"

.... it's like you found one video you feel justifies all your sensitive little feelings and you're positing it to every thread in an attempt to be validated....oh, wait... that's exactly what you did.



In " other words " you shopped around until you found a " summary" that agreed with your views...Got it.
Brewha Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Oct 13 2017, 8:53 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
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I'm saying that the author uses language as a means to marginalize the person so much so, it's easy to label it a hit piece. As a result, a large percent of readers will dismiss it as propaganda, that would include me, and as such will never get to the meat of the article.

IMHO it would have been a much more readable article if it was absent the supercilious prose.

Though not always true to the practice, I do try to remember a quote from my persuasive writing professor: "Get in, state your case and get out."

Are you sure you are not just using that phrase so you look superior to others?
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Oct 13 2017, 9:24 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And the idea that you think saying that having a "gay coffee shop owner " as a friend would be an insult suggests you find the idea of having a gay friend as a negative (unless you're against coffee shop owners).

That's a pretty bad stance to have...



The issue with the coffee shop owner isn't that he's gay. The "protesters" even admitted this to his face.
The issue with the owner is that he was looking for a fight. He insisted his patrons be an audience for his sexual relations.
And if they didn't want to watch? Well then they must be homophobes.

The fact that you assume negative opinions of the owner are based on sexuality speaks more about your myopic viewpoints than it does anything else.

Seriously.
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Oct 13 2017, 11:32 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
In " other words " you shopped around until you found a " summary" that agreed with your views...Got it.


If you were more than semi-literate you would have seen that I noted what summaries on the right and the left had said about the incident and I was not going to choose to believe either without more evidence.

It would be nice if you had the capability to read and understand that concept. Then I wouldn't have to explain it to you.

There is an irony here... as you had simply posted a version of the incident which had been spoon fed to you from some right wing media outlet (therightstuff.biz?) and had not bothered to look at other versions of the story before posting it to a number of threads in this forum.
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Oct 13 2017, 2:16 PM EST
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"A version" of the incident?
LOL!
It was a video. In real time.
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