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Big Pharma could be tracking your meds
cacman Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 07-03-2010
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New ‘digital’ pill keeps patients on track
https://www.reuters.com/video/2017/11/14/new-digital-pill-keeps-patients-on-track?videoId=372974662&videoChannel=1

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WOW! This is disturbing. Big Pharma could be watching your medication. Who else could be watching?
Ewok126 Offline
#2 Posted:
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They all have been watching for a long long while. If you have been given a narcotic of any sort you are in a database, how often you have been prescribed, If you have went to multiple Drs asking for meds, tracking Dr Shopping, Tracking to see if you are taking more often than prescribed or possibly selling your meds. The insurance companies keep a running track as well. This would just make it easier for them to do such.

This is not just done with narcotics. My wife and I found out it is done with insulin as well. She was accused of taking more insulin than prescribed and was told it was either that or she must be selling her insulin. My wife told them NO! This month we had 5 family members that had birthdays and I eat some cake at each and had to take more insulin than usual. Even though she had more refills on file the pharmacy refused to refill her insulin because she was 4 days early on a refill which for a type 1 diabetic with no insulin can be very deadly. She then had to borrow some from another family member which means she broke the law and took a prescription drug that is not hers. It was either that or or do without. We have run across this scenario more than once in 18 years.
Mr. Jones Offline
#3 Posted:
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I'd report that pharmacist to the "pharmacy board " of whoever oversees them...
That is downright dangerous!
Who the heck "sells insulin"? I never heard of such a crime let alone a customer looking "to buy insulin"...
Do they even exist?
Buckwheat Offline
#4 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I'd report that pharmacist to the "pharmacy board " of whoever oversees them...
That is downright dangerous!
Who the heck "sells insulin"? I never heard of such a crime let alone a customer looking "to buy insulin"...
Do they even exist?


Yes. Insulin can be very expensive for lower income families. I know of people who are on Medicare who have to pay $400 to $500 per month for their insulin. So I assume that there could be a pretty robust black market for it. fog
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted:
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In an effort to drain the swamp Trump just chose big pharma to lead HHS.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted:
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Hilldale High School..?? Think
Ewok126 Offline
#7 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
Yes. Insulin can be very expensive for lower income families. I know of people who are on Medicare who have to pay $400 to $500 per month for their insulin. So I assume that there could be a pretty robust black market for it. fog



You are very correct. My wife due to being as blind as I am and neither of us can see well enough to draw insulin in a standard syringe so she has to have the pens that one: click per turn of a knob for so many CC's so you can hear and count the dosage per click, also they have bigger markings so she can somewhat see the amount she is drawing. Her insulin alone is $600 a month that we have to pay.
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted:
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Yes
Ewok126 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I'd report that pharmacist to the "pharmacy board " of whoever oversees them...
That is downright dangerous!
Who the heck "sells insulin"? I never heard of such a crime let alone a customer looking "to buy insulin"...
Do they even exist?


Ahh man we done went down that road more times than we can count. It comes down to the same thing every time. We get told "Your Dr has to write a new script for more insulin per month." Which is fine but due to the nature of being a diabetic, get sick glucose levels go up, more insulin is needed that day or days one is sick. Stress go up sugar goes up, eat more than usual say thanksgiving, christmas etc, sugar goes up.

Getting a Dr to write a new script becomes a problem due to one. Requires an office visit and office visit pay so tag that to the 600 bucks. Two, can't get a Dr appointment on a holiday or weekend which means 4 to 5 days without insulin if you have ran out of it and god help if insulin goes bad. Had that happen quite a few times.

Check ebay for insulin pump supplies and lancets ect. You can get an idea of how many people sell these supplies. It is only to reason that if they sell supplies (and yes some of these supplies have to have a prescription as well.) if they have extra insulin then yes they will sell it as well for half the cost. I will not lie, I have had to buy my wife's insulin like that before because of being put in the situation above. Yes, by law taking any ones prescription medication other than your own is against the law and can even go to the extent of insurance fraud. Even if it is prescription strength baby aspirin. It is either that or watch her kick the proverbial bucket.
Gene363 Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
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Fantastic idea! A way to insure schizophrenics and other mental patients take required meds. You know, the ones that mental hospitals keep releasing.

They need more work to prove efficacy, but this technoligy could be effective keeping some mental patient stable.


Things to discuss:

For other patients, why go to the doc if you're not going to take your prescriptions?

Why would insurance pay for treatment and drugs if you're not going to take them?

Privacy concerns.*


* not for a lot of you that already carry a cellphone everywhere and the really paranoid that already have secret chips embedded in their heads.

MACS Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
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I don't even take medication...
Ewok126 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
Fantastic idea! A way to insure schizophrenics and other mental patients take required meds. You know, the ones that mental hospitals keep releasing.

They need more work to prove efficacy, but this technoligy could be effective keeping some mental patient stable.


Things to discuss:

For other patients, why go to the doc if you're not going to take your prescriptions?

Why would insurance pay for treatment and drugs if you're not going to take them?

Privacy concerns.*


* not for a lot of you that already carry a cellphone everywhere and the really paranoid that already have secret chips embedded in their heads.




For other patients, why go to the doc if you're not going to take your prescriptions? I would say depends on the medication. Not all medications are a (must take all) allot of them are "As needed" A good example is I have had pain meds that I only take if it is absolutely a must and I am talking about hurting for say 3 weeks no sleep and have to have some relief other than eating a bullet so in the end I do have quite a few meds sitting around that I have not taken all of them. Same for lovenox injections. I was sitting on 30 injections because what came in the prescription was not needed. My coumadin kicked in better than the Dr or I expected.

Why would insurance pay for treatment and drugs if you're not going to take them? I would say that due to the above and the fact that everybody is so different in drug reaction, drug efficiency, shelf life ect one really does not know if 30 pills is 20 to many or if 30 is not enough. It is very rare I take narcotics. A prime example is I can take a butt load of hydrocodone and it does not affect me in the least. Give to someone else and in 20 min they zonked out for half a day. Give my grandmother propofol or diprivan and she's down for days. Give it to me and as soon as the IV is stopped I am up in 5 to 8 minutes and fully functional. I am the only one in my family that Zpack an antibiotic will work for. The rest of my family you mine as well give them M&M's. Also this brings to mind are we asking about life long drugs or just immediate care say antibiotics for strep or all of it?

A way to insure schizophrenics and other mental patients take required meds. You know, the ones that mental hospitals keep releasing. This brings to question that if a patient is released then do they not have the right just like you and I to refuse medical treatment meaning not taking a prescribed medication by choice? When you say insure do you mean insure as in by a law that they have to take it? or as in insure they do take it so if they don't then insurance quits paying for any of their medical treatment, Drs refuse then to see the patient due to they now think the patient is going AMA and then of course left back at square one with can't go back to mental hospital due to no insurance now and also insurance won't pay for med since patient is not taking the med as prescribed and thus same issue is still in play. We then have schizophrenics and other mental patients now not getting required meds needed running the streets.

I just kind of fear that this as another possible way for the Hospital Facilities, Big Pharma, Insurance companies, to grab you by the balls if you do not agree with the treatment given or how it's given. I worry they will use this tech. to squeeze ya nuts if you don't play how THEY see fit. I feel it will come down to an ultimatum, "You take it or we quit paying for any and all treatment." Then you are stuck. You can't search out a treatment that suits you because now you can't afford to self pay which most Drs will not take by the way. Insurance refuses to pay because you did not take the pills that you know your body does not deal with very well but the Dr will not listen. Boy I got a story about that one but I will save for a later date. From the sounds of it though FDA says great so I guess we will see.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I don't even take medication...



That hep isn't gonna just go away.. Shame on you
MACS Offline
#14 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
That hep isn't gonna just go away.. Shame on you


I don't beat up homeless people... or walk in their pee. And I've had the hep vaccine.

Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#15 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I don't even take medication...


'splains a lot.
MACS Offline
#16 Posted:
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
'splains a lot.


Laugh
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted:
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You guys are just making my job harder...

Big pharma just called me and asked for a status update... I checked... and the numbers say 3 of you still need to poop today.

Get to it you jackazzes... I need to file my report asap.
Speyside Offline
#18 Posted:
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Might be a good thing,some of missed taking your quetiapine today.
jjanecka Offline
#19 Posted:
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Victor according to the chart, you haven't had your suppositories today.
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted:
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Pshh... like you have access.
Now get back to your pooping probe. We need to track you!
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted:
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* probe should have been plebe... damn phone
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted:
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Ewok126 wrote:
You are very correct. My wife due to being as blind as I am and neither of us can see well enough to draw insulin in a standard syringe so she has to have the pens that one: click per turn of a knob for so many CC's so you can hear and count the dosage per click, also they have bigger markings so she can somewhat see the amount she is drawing. Her insulin alone is $600 a month that we have to pay.

is this the wife that drives you to the Cigar events at the local shpos?
Gene363 Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,799
MACS wrote:
I don't even take medication...


An aspirin every couple of days and Maxualt when I get a migraine. I do take a few vitamins every day.
MACS Offline
#24 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
is this the wife that drives you to the Cigar events at the local shpos?


He's deaf, too ya know...
Gene363 Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,799
Ewok126 wrote:
For other patients, why go to the doc if you're not going to take your prescriptions? I would say depends on the medication. Not all medications are a (must take all) allot of them are "As needed" A good example is I have had pain meds that I only take if it is absolutely a must and I am talking about hurting for say 3 weeks no sleep and have to have some relief other than eating a bullet so in the end I do have quite a few meds sitting around that I have not taken all of them. Same for lovenox injections. I was sitting on 30 injections because what came in the prescription was not needed. My coumadin kicked in better than the Dr or I expected.

Why would insurance pay for treatment and drugs if you're not going to take them? I would say that due to the above and the fact that everybody is so different in drug reaction, drug efficiency, shelf life ect one really does not know if 30 pills is 20 to many or if 30 is not enough. It is very rare I take narcotics. A prime example is I can take a butt load of hydrocodone and it does not affect me in the least. Give to someone else and in 20 min they zonked out for half a day. Give my grandmother propofol or diprivan and she's down for days. Give it to me and as soon as the IV is stopped I am up in 5 to 8 minutes and fully functional. I am the only one in my family that Zpack an antibiotic will work for. The rest of my family you mine as well give them M&M's. Also this brings to mind are we asking about life long drugs or just immediate care say antibiotics for strep or all of it?

A way to insure schizophrenics and other mental patients take required meds. You know, the ones that mental hospitals keep releasing. This brings to question that if a patient is released then do they not have the right just like you and I to refuse medical treatment meaning not taking a prescribed medication by choice? When you say insure do you mean insure as in by a law that they have to take it? or as in insure they do take it so if they don't then insurance quits paying for any of their medical treatment, Drs refuse then to see the patient due to they now think the patient is going AMA and then of course left back at square one with can't go back to mental hospital due to no insurance now and also insurance won't pay for med since patient is not taking the med as prescribed and thus same issue is still in play. We then have schizophrenics and other mental patients now not getting required meds needed running the streets.

I just kind of fear that this as another possible way for the Hospital Facilities, Big Pharma, Insurance companies, to grab you by the balls if you do not agree with the treatment given or how it's given. I worry they will use this tech. to squeeze ya nuts if you don't play how THEY see fit. I feel it will come down to an ultimatum, "You take it or we quit paying for any and all treatment." Then you are stuck. You can't search out a treatment that suits you because now you can't afford to self pay which most Drs will not take by the way. Insurance refuses to pay because you did not take the pills that you know your body does not deal with very well but the Dr will not listen. Boy I got a story about that one but I will save for a later date. From the sounds of it though FDA says great so I guess we will see.


I cannot see that this technology would be applied to pain meds other than some drugs that are cumulative and may cause an overdose, the patient typically is allowed to decide when they take their pain medications. The only limitation is taking too many.

As for deciding about meds, perhaps you should just tell the docs, "Nope, I want the magic cure that doesn't require drugs."

Some mental patients are dangerous to themselves and others when they do not take their meds, it is a condition of their release. They are not competent to say no thanks and society should not have to put up with them when off their meds.
bgz Offline
#26 Posted:
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Racket to get out of paying insurance claims due to people not taking their meds.
Krazeehorse Offline
#27 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I don't even take medication...

5 in the morning, 6 in the evening. Better living through chemistry.
Ewok126 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
is this the wife that drives you to the Cigar events at the local shops?


Yes sir it is, This is why the Oh **** Bar on my side of the car is almost wore out!
Ewok126 Offline
#29 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Racket to get out of paying insurance claims due to people not taking their meds.


This is my fear, Not saying it is an absolute but in looking at the writing on the wall when it comes to insurance companies have a very bad habit of looking for every little stinking thing to do just that. I would not be surprised if it went to that extent.
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