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Targeting...
DrafterX Offline
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Watching the A&M/ Ole Miss game.. happened earlier but I'm still puzzled by it.. Refs didn't call it but the booth called targeting on a player throwing a block.. not the runner or a quarterback... But the player gets ejected... When did the replay booth get power.. Huh
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I thought the play had to be called on the field then reviewed by the booth.
Ewok126 Offline
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Replay officials will have the authority to make targeting calls from the booth, and also to determine whether there was intent to target. Collaboration by replay officials with centralized conference command center will also be allowed. March 2016 I think is when this was implemented.
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It's Football Damnit..!! Mad
frankj1 Offline
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what the heck is targeting?
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"Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
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got it
thanks
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frankj1 wrote:
got it
thanks

Any time man, I agree its FootBall but due to the changes well, Trump said it "It's Not the same game" Hit to hard and 15 yard penalty and ejection from the game. That's what he was bitching about.
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yeah, I know. I love football, never played college but "launching" kind of stuff is not sportsmanship type of stuff to me.
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Booth in the Utah/Wash game just did the same thing... no flag for it, they mention it, and then they stopped the game to review it.

Wow.
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Yeah I do not like unsportsmanlike conduct but just helmet clash now even if not intentional can be considered targeting. I had a good friend of mine that his career was ended by targeting. The player blindsided from the right, dove and shoulder blocked/clipped his knee from the side, snapped it like a toothpick... It will make your butthole pucker to see a man's leg flopping sideways at the knee. Lee Williams was his name. The boy was pro material but chit happens I guess.
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What gets me is alot of the time it's unintentional.. but that doesn't seem to matter.. Mellow
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Ewok126 wrote:
Yeah I do not like unsportsmanlike conduct but just helmet clash now even if not intentional can be considered targeting. I had a good friend of mine that his career was ended by targeting. The player blindsided from the right, dove and shoulder blocked/clipped his knee from the side, snapped it like a toothpick... It will make your butthole pucker to see a man's leg flopping sideways at the knee. Lee Williams was his name. The boy was pro material but chit happens I guess.



That doesn't fit the definition.. Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
That doesn't fit the definition.. Mellow


what does not fit the definition?
My Buddies knee? Or the helmets?

For lee's knee: A player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle. The guy took aim at the knee in such a way that it was obvious that he was meaning to take lee out of the game buy destroying his knee, and he succeeded not only out of the game but out for life.

The helmets: The NCAA has issued two new interpretations to guide how officials should identify targeting fouls, one of which is meant to clarify the exact location of the "crown" -- the part of the helmet which must be used to incur such a targeting penalty.... This is now from the ridge of the facemask up, forehead hit, top of the head hit, etc. Basicly if the head is used in any way from the faceguard up it's considered targeting. Intentional or not is where the real issue comes in I think. Back when I played it was taught to tuck the head and use it now according to the BS rules big big no no. That is what I have been seeing. It would be one thing if it was a forearm or elbow but this is just crazy.
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Ewok126 wrote:
what does not fit the definition?
My Buddies knee? Or the helmets?

For lee's knee: A player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle. The guy took aim at the knee in such a way that it was obvious that he was meaning to take lee out of the game buy destroying his knee, and he succeeded not only out of the game but out for life.

The helmets: The NCAA has issued two new interpretations to guide how officials should identify targeting fouls, one of which is meant to clarify the exact location of the "crown" -- the part of the helmet which must be used to incur such a targeting penalty.... This is now from the ridge of the facemask up, forehead hit, top of the head hit, etc. Basicly if the head is used in any way from the faceguard up it's considered targeting. Intentional or not is where the real issue comes in I think. Back when I played it was taught to tuck the head and use it now according to the BS rules big big no no. That is what I have been seeing. It would be one thing if it was a forearm or elbow but this is just crazy.



I am 39 and they didn't teach that way here when I played. Tuck your head is a good way to miss a lot of tackles. For as long as I can remember it was put your face on the ball, wrap up and drive through the tackle to the ground. The highlight big hits on ESPN is what changed the generations view on how to tackle and somewhere along the way the fundamentals were lost. Watch the games today and tell me how many times you see a defender put his shoulder down and hit the player without wrapping up, then tell me how many missed tackles happened because of this lack of fundamentals.

Either way the helmet should not be used as a weapon out there but there is a line that needs to be drawn on what is excessive officiating anymore.
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shaun341 wrote:
I am 39 and they didn't teach that way here when I played. Tuck your head is a good way to miss a lot of tackles. For as long as I can remember it was put your face on the ball, wrap up and drive through the tackle to the ground. The highlight big hits on ESPN is what changed the generations view on how to tackle and somewhere along the way the fundamentals were lost. Watch the games today and tell me how many times you see a defender put his shoulder down and hit the player without wrapping up, then tell me how many missed tackles happened because of this lack of fundamentals.

Either way the helmet should not be used as a weapon out there but there is a line that needs to be drawn on what is excessive officiating anymore.


Right Right, I have almost a decade on yah, also it could just be that's how our coach taught. We was taught to torpedo through. Also and I am not sure on this because I can't remember all that well, but the thought was if face up and hit hard then greater chance of whiplash to where if chin was tucked and helmet went in head on less likely the chance of neck damage. Reminds me of all the injuries I would see in the OR with people falling at the casinos lol. People would fall forward catch the forehead on the slot machines and fracture C1 lol atleast 3 times a week. Anxious
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Ewok126 wrote:
Right Right, I have almost a decade on yah, also it could just be that's how our coach taught. We was taught to torpedo through. Also and I am not sure on this because I can't remember all that well, but the thought was if face up and hit hard then greater chance of whiplash to where if chin was tucked and helmet went in head on less likely the chance of neck damage. Reminds me of all the injuries I would see in the OR with people falling at the casinos lol. People would fall forward catch the forehead on the slot machines and fracture C1 lol atleast 3 times a week. Anxious



They were passing out from all the moneys they were making! A decade!! Your like Mikey and FGM old then, phew!
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shaun341 wrote:
I am 39 and they didn't teach that way here when I played. Tuck your head is a good way to miss a lot of tackles. For as long as I can remember it was put your face on the ball, wrap up and drive through the tackle to the ground. The highlight big hits on ESPN is what changed the generations view on how to tackle and somewhere along the way the fundamentals were lost. Watch the games today and tell me how many times you see a defender put his shoulder down and hit the player without wrapping up, then tell me how many missed tackles happened because of this lack of fundamentals.

Either way the helmet should not be used as a weapon out there but there is a line that needs to be drawn on what is excessive officiating anymore.

I'm 57 and I was taught head up and eyes on the ball, hit em hard and hit em low(around the waist or thighs) and wrap em up and drive through the tackle with your legs to bring them down to the ground ........usually worked pretty well. fog

I definitely agree with you, todays football is way over officiatedd'oh!
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I'm 57 and I was taught head up and eyes on the ball, hit em hard and hit em low(around the waist or thighs) and wrap em up and drive through the tackle with your legs to bring them down to the ground ........usually worked pretty well. fog

I definitely agree with you, todays football is way over officiatedd'oh!

that was the tackling method I was taught, might add we were told to keep our eyes on the ball carrier's belt buckle cuz runners can fake with head & shoulder and stutter steps, but the mid section always goes in the true direction.

get our shoulder on the middle and wrap up the thighs with our arms...when able to make a direct hit.
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frankj1 wrote:
that was the tackling method I was taught, might add we were told to keep our eyes on the ball carrier's belt buckle cuz runners can fake with head & shoulder and stutter steps, but the mid section always goes in the true direction.

get our shoulder on the middle and wrap up the thighs with our arms...when able to make a direct hit.

Yeah, now that you say it, I do remember being told to focus on the belt buckle.......been a long time since I made a tacklefog I would LoL, but I know how you feel about that.........Tee Hee HeeAnxious Beer
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Chit if I tried to tackle today I would break a hip.
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I'm 57 and I was taught head up and eyes on the ball, hit em hard and hit em low(around the waist or thighs) and wrap em up and drive through the tackle with your legs to bring them down to the ground ........usually worked pretty well. fog

I definitely agree with you, todays football is way over officiatedd'oh!


That's how we were taught in high school, in the late 60's. The defensive coach taught us to square up your lead shoulder, drive through the mid-section and wrap your arms around the ball-carrier. The head coach also said that if you lead with the helmet and aim for the ball, you can increase the chances of creating a fumble, so that's what I did when I played D. Mostly played O though.

The movement away from using the head when tackling was for safety of both players. Think there was a study that showed more head and neck and spinal cord injuries to the tackler when leading with the helmet. More concussions and neck and head injuries to the player tackled by someone leading with the helmet. The objective is to make the game safer by outlawing a practice that led to the most severe injuries.

Gone are the days of the "headhunters"...
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I heard headhunters got Gilligan and the rest... Mellow
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So, targeting is ok if it creates a fumble... Interesting... Think
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